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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 12:34:47 AM   
tamaka


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by Baxter Dmitry,Your News Wire:<br>
Vladimir Putin has used his annual Christmas press conference to accuse Western liberal elites of abandoning the traditional values that made their countries great. Instead of building a future based on solid Christian values, Western elites have created a culture of “excessive, exaggerated political correctness” that is so destructive it will lead to the downfall of Western civilization if it is not arrested.<br>
<br>
In a nearly four-hour question and answer session, the Russian president held forth on the state of his country and the world, saying that there is an international push for a New World Order that will “remove national sovereignty” and “destroy identity and of God-created diversity.”<br>
<br>
To reach this goal, Putin states that Western elites have begun rejecting the roots that their society was built on.<br>
<br>
“Many Western states have taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilization. In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied – national, religious, cultural and even gender identities are being denied or relativized.”<br>
<br>
“In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied – national, religious, cultural and even gender identities are being denied or relativized. There, politics treats a family with many children as equal to a homosexual partnership (juridically).<br>
<br>
The excesses and exaggerations of political correctness in these countries indeed leads to serious consideration for the legitimization of parties that promote the propaganda of pedophilia.<br>
<br>
“The people in many European states are actually ashamed of their religious affiliations and are indeed frightened to speak about them.”<br>
<br>
Putin says that the situation has become so extreme in Western culture, that people are now taught that “Faith in God is equal to faith in Satan”. To say otherwise would be to risk being politically incorrect — the great crime of our age.<br>
<br>
“Christian holidays and celebrations are abolished or ‘neutrally’ renamed, as if one were ashamed of those Christian holidays. With this method one hides away the deeper moral values of these celebrations.<br>
<br>
“And these countries try to force this model onto other countries, globally. I am deeply convnced that this is a direct way to the degradation and primitivization of culture. This leads to deeper demographic and moral crisis in the West. What can be a better evidence for the moral crisis of a human society (in the West) than the loss of its reproductive function?“<br>
<br>
Western countries cannot survive reproductively<br>
<br>
“Today nearly all ‘developed’ Western countries cannot survive reproductively, not even with the help of migrants.<br>
<br>
Without the moral values that are rooted in Christianity and other world religions, without rules and moral values which have formed and been developed over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity.”<br>
<br>
Putin was unapologetic about Russia’s determination to defend Western values.<br>
<br>
“And we think it is right and natural to defend and preserve these moral (Christian) values.”<br>
<br>


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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 12:43:48 AM   
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The other is illegal and involves non-consensual assault of minors.

No, it actually isn't and doesn't.

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\Call it a kink if you want, going strictly by a dictionary definition

Precisely

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No one recognizes it as such.

And that is the point.

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It is illegal everywhere

Actually, no. It is, in fact, illegal nowhere.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 12:45:35 AM   
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Because it is considered a crime against children

only by uneducated people.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 12:47:03 AM   
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It's not a bad thing if pedophiles feel comfortable admitting that they're pedophiles so that they can get treated somehow. It's better than punishing them for coming forward, which means they won't come forward and will end up finding acceptance only among other pedos. If they're isolated, they're more likely to see themselves as having nothing to lose by doing it.

Couldn't agree more

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 1:04:43 AM   
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Greta, by your definition BDSM are core values in this lifestyle but aren't those illegal? Bondage is a form confinement, discipline is a form of abuse, sadism is carrying that abuse to extreme and being a masochist is illegally giving someone permission to abuse you. Do you practice any of the above and where do you stop legitimizing behavior?


As I said, BDSM finds a way to do illegal stuffs legally. Although..., I have heard that sometimes even if it's done legally, it's still illegal.

I give a simple example of people who love extreme impact play. If this woman is walking out of her house with physical bruises all over her. Authorities will probably get involve even though she is enjoying every minute of it consensually. I was just thinking my x-dom was very worried about bruises being seen on me on my limbs, exposed parts of my bodies, he was worried for himself. But the problem is, I do alot of sports that involves falling alot, so I get alot of bruises all the time anyway.



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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 1:58:24 AM   
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You get bruises, ok. The questions still stand. If you do practice any of those aspects of bdsm how can you judge and compare the actions of two consenting adults during race play to something as heinous as abusing a child? Granted filing kink under "play" lends acceptability but no one I've ever met is so extreme as to take rape play, little play or any other "play" to morally corrupt, non consensual, jail their asses levels.
Our community I would argue, as a whole condemns such action as an unaccepted perversion just as vanilla society does.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 2:12:02 AM   
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You get bruises, ok. The questions still stand. If you do practice any of those aspects of bdsm how can you judge and compare the actions of two consenting adults during race play to something as heinous as abusing a child? Granted filing kink under "play" lends acceptability but no one I've ever met is so extreme as to take rape play, little play or any other "play" to morally corrupt, non consensual, jail their asses levels.
Our community I would argue, as a whole condemns such action as an unaccepted perversion just as vanilla society does.

Because you can re-enact the act of "abusing a child" with a child-like looking adult in BDSM who enjoys playing the "abused child" too, as something that Pedophiles can enjoy legally.
That's BDSM! Making Taboo things kinky! Rape becomes kinky. Slavery becomes kinky! Pedophilia becomes kinky.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 2:23:27 AM   
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Then we should shut down this unregulated culture. Lock the doors. Burn all of the whips, leather and all other bdsm related gear and literature. Everyone of us should be cleansed of our impure, perverted thoughts because there MIGHT be a chance one of us will do something so unimaginably morally bankrupt it will ruin the lives of innocents everywhere.
Sounds extreme doesn't it? That should be a familiar ring in your ears.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 2:54:41 AM   
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Then we should shut down this unregulated culture. Lock the doors. Burn all of the whips, leather and all other bdsm related gear and literature. Everyone of us should be cleansed of our impure, perverted thoughts because there MIGHT be a chance one of us will do something so unimaginably morally bankrupt it will ruin the lives of innocents everywhere.
Sounds extreme doesn't it? That should be a familiar ring in your ears.

Why should we shut down this culture?
I simply spoke of pedophilia as a legitimate kink. Just like race play, just like rape, just like slavery.
I never said anything about shutting any of them down. I am for ALL of them.

After all, as I said, anything under BDSM = Mutually consensual conditions

Anything out of BDSM: Rape, Pedophilia, race degradation, Slavery = non consensual conditions

It's that simple.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 3:18:29 AM   
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First you condemn the concept of rape play, race play and any play that involves the perception of pedophilia now you're ok with it as legitimized kink? Ya got me, I though you were actually standing on firm moral high ground for a minute there.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 3:48:43 AM   
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First you condemn the concept of rape play, race play and any play that involves the perception of pedophilia now you're ok with it as legitimized kink? Ya got me, I though you were actually standing on firm moral high ground for a minute there.

I didn't condemn anything at all.

I simply said that race degradation, rape, slavery and pedophilia are all equally bad stuffs.

But thanks to BDSM, they get to be done in a way where two consenting adults can enjoy them together for fun, laughter, peace and joy!

The whole issue with this thread is what I said right from my first post. BDSM umbrella has alot of unspeakable kinks or unthinkable kinks. And you will always have Kinksters react in horror like vanilla folks who find BDSM kinks disgusting, IF the kink is something that makes them uncomfortable and then denouncing it as a legitimate kink.

Actually if I wanna tie this back to OP. The whole point is, even within BDSM community, people have no consensus at all and it is not any less non-judgemental. So to me, that's just the way this whole "BDSM Community" is like.

Dont give up on your kink just because other people think it's disgusting! Even if they are from the BDSM community.




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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 3:55:59 AM   
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I simply said that race degradation, rape, slavery and pedophilia are all equally bad stuffs.

But thanks to BDSM, they get to be done in a way where two consenting adults can enjoy them together for fun, laughter, peace and joy!


I'm not even sure if I should ask, but how can 2 adults enjoy pedophilia together without breaking the law?

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 4:05:29 AM   
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I'm not even sure if I should ask, but how can 2 adults enjoy pedophilia together without breaking the law?

By role playing it, getting a child-like looking legally aged sub to play the child victim. Just like all BDSM roles. Like how do you enjoy slavery together without breaking the law? How do you rape someone without breaking the law? I mean are these serious BDSM questions?

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 4:15:46 AM   
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By role playing it, getting a child-like looking legally aged sub to play the child victim. Just like all BDSM roles. Like how do you enjoy slavery together without breaking the law? How do you rape someone without breaking the law? I mean are these serious BDSM questions?


Okay, so it's not actual pedophilia then.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 4:28:28 AM   
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Okay, so it's not actual pedophilia then.

But nothing in BDSM is actual Slavery or actual Rape.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 11:40:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


<br>
by Baxter Dmitry,Your News Wire:<br>
Vladimir Putin has used his annual Christmas press conference to accuse Western liberal elites of abandoning the traditional values that made their countries great. Instead of building a future based on solid Christian values, Western elites have created a culture of “excessive, exaggerated political correctness” that is so destructive it will lead to the downfall of Western civilization if it is not arrested.<br>
<br>
In a nearly four-hour question and answer session, the Russian president held forth on the state of his country and the world, saying that there is an international push for a New World Order that will “remove national sovereignty” and “destroy identity and of God-created diversity.”<br>
<br>
To reach this goal, Putin states that Western elites have begun rejecting the roots that their society was built on.<br>
<br>
“Many Western states have taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilization. In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied – national, religious, cultural and even gender identities are being denied or relativized.”<br>
<br>
“In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied – national, religious, cultural and even gender identities are being denied or relativized. There, politics treats a family with many children as equal to a homosexual partnership (juridically).<br>
<br>
The excesses and exaggerations of political correctness in these countries indeed leads to serious consideration for the legitimization of parties that promote the propaganda of pedophilia.<br>
<br>
“The people in many European states are actually ashamed of their religious affiliations and are indeed frightened to speak about them.”<br>
<br>
Putin says that the situation has become so extreme in Western culture, that people are now taught that “Faith in God is equal to faith in Satan”. To say otherwise would be to risk being politically incorrect — the great crime of our age.<br>
<br>
“Christian holidays and celebrations are abolished or ‘neutrally’ renamed, as if one were ashamed of those Christian holidays. With this method one hides away the deeper moral values of these celebrations.<br>
<br>
“And these countries try to force this model onto other countries, globally. I am deeply convnced that this is a direct way to the degradation and primitivization of culture. This leads to deeper demographic and moral crisis in the West. What can be a better evidence for the moral crisis of a human society (in the West) than the loss of its reproductive function?“<br>
<br>
Western countries cannot survive reproductively<br>
<br>
“Today nearly all ‘developed’ Western countries cannot survive reproductively, not even with the help of migrants.<br>
<br>
Without the moral values that are rooted in Christianity and other world religions, without rules and moral values which have formed and been developed over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity.”<br>
<br>
Putin was unapologetic about Russia’s determination to defend Western values.<br>
<br>
“And we think it is right and natural to defend and preserve these moral (Christian) values.”<br>
<br>


So, you are quoting Putin now as an authority on Western values? Really? Since when is the leader of Russia someone who we should look to for guidance?


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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 11:48:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
By role playing it, getting a child-like looking legally aged sub to play the child victim. Just like all BDSM roles. Like how do you enjoy slavery together without breaking the law? How do you rape someone without breaking the law? I mean are these serious BDSM questions?


Okay, so it's not actual pedophilia then.

Its not practicing pedophilia. Apparently Greta thinks that age players are all pedophiles, but as long as they practice it with consenting adults, its okay. But they are still pedophiles. And its okay to call age play pedophilia, that that is accepted within the world of bdsm.

So I guess that we can call those who engage in rape play 'rapists'.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 11:57:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

The other is illegal and involves non-consensual assault of minors.

No, it actually isn't and doesn't.

quote:

\Call it a kink if you want, going strictly by a dictionary definition

Precisely

quote:

No one recognizes it as such.

And that is the point.

quote:

It is illegal everywhere

Actually, no. It is, in fact, illegal nowhere.

Dizzy, if you want to have an actual discussion about something, or make a point that someone else doesn't have to explain to others for you, stop snipping statements out of their contexts and then give ambiguous answers. It is misleading and it can get confusing. A big part of this thread went straight into the toilet because you did that to another poster. I am not about to play that game with you.


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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 12:18:05 PM   
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Its not practicing pedophilia. Apparently Greta thinks that age players are all pedophiles, but as long as they practice it with consenting adults, its okay. But they are still pedophiles. And its okay to call age play pedophilia, that that is accepted within the world of bdsm.

So I guess that we can call those who engage in rape play 'rapists'.


Maybe the difference is that pedophile players also end up doing horrified parent play, arrest play, prison play, trial play, 5 year sentence play, protective custody play, release into social ostracism play, sex offender registry play, remission play and finally repeat offender play.

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RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone - 12/30/2016 12:39:52 PM   
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But nothing in BDSM is actual Slavery or actual Rape.


The way I understand it is that it's real but consensual, and in a TPE at least semi-real rape can actually be an option as it's part of a broader agreement in which you surrender your right to withdraw consent. But even in this type of relationship, you still had enough power to knowingly give up your right to withdraw consent in the first place-- it's an important distinction.

The reason sex with minors is illegal is because children are not mentally mature enough to truly give, withdraw or knowingly give up their right to withdraw consent. Their dependence on or relationship with their caregivers/potential caregivers makes them easily misled and exploited.

Consent and power balances are a big difference between the taboo fun of age play and the horrific exploitation of SWM... practicing pedos don't just have some sort of extreme fetish that we should all be open-minded about, they're predators who ruin lives and betray trust-- it's an integral part of what they do.

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