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LadyPact -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 7:55:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Actually Greta, it can get beyond 'play'... especially with M/s. There are some submissives that can't leave their Masters. No, there are some slaves who think they can not leave their Masters. There is a difference. That's arguing perception vs reality. For what it's worth, every person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, has the basic human right to leave. They are not condemned to stay with a toxic person. If said person is making your life unhappy, you have the RIGHT to GTFO.

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 9:47:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Actually Greta, it can get beyond 'play'... especially with M/s. There are some submissives that can't leave their Masters. No, there are some slaves who think they can not leave their Masters. There is a difference. That's arguing perception vs reality. For what it's worth, every person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, has the basic human right to leave. They are not condemned to stay with a toxic person. If said person is making your life unhappy, you have the RIGHT to GTFO. You may have the right, but not the capability.

heavyblinker -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 11:00:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Real Rape and Real Slavery has nothing to do with consensual. Same with Real Pedophilia. Real Rape, Real Slavery and Real Pedophilia are Crimes against the Law. To me, everything in BDSM is role play only. It's all about how realistic you want the Role Play to be like. But just because it's extremely realistic, doesn't mean it's Real. Because Real Rape, Real Slavery and Real Pedophilia involves the victim having no choice. But you can put yourself in a situation where consent is not an option. I remember reading a story on reddit about a girl who would dress a certain way, get drunk, make herself as vulnerable as possible and put herself in dangerous situations because she wanted to be raped for real... like, she got off on it. I don't think you would consider that consensual because she didn't even know what happened a lot of the time and definitely wasn't in a state of mind where she could say 'no'-- but she wanted it to happen because it was her 'kink'. That's how I see rape within a consensual TPE relationship-- you consent to the relationship, but not to the rape. And there is such a thing as slaves who love their slavery so much they reject the notion of freedom. I don't think it makes it any less 'real'. Things like if you were drugged or your ability to consent were somehow taken away... I'm not saying this is widespread, but it's possible.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 11:12:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Actually Greta, it can get beyond 'play'... especially with M/s. There are some submissives that can't leave their Masters. No, there are some slaves who think they can not leave their Masters. There is a difference. That's arguing perception vs reality. For what it's worth, every person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, has the basic human right to leave. They are not condemned to stay with a toxic person. If said person is making your life unhappy, you have the RIGHT to GTFO. You may have the right, but not the capability. But what you are talking about it not bdsm, it is not kink, it is not M/s, it is abuse, it is mental illness, or it may be both. Happens in the vanilla world, happens in kink world, happens in every world.

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 11:41:56 AM)
I guess it depends on whom you ask. It's sometimes a very fine line.

OsideGirl -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 12:19:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Actually Greta, it can get beyond 'play'... especially with M/s. There are some submissives that can't leave their Masters. No, there are some slaves who think they can not leave their Masters. There is a difference. That's arguing perception vs reality. For what it's worth, every person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, has the basic human right to leave. They are not condemned to stay with a toxic person. If said person is making your life unhappy, you have the RIGHT to GTFO. You may have the right, but not the capability. Weakness is not slavery. It's just weakness.

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 12:23:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Actually Greta, it can get beyond 'play'... especially with M/s. There are some submissives that can't leave their Masters. No, there are some slaves who think they can not leave their Masters. There is a difference. That's arguing perception vs reality. For what it's worth, every person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, has the basic human right to leave. They are not condemned to stay with a toxic person. If said person is making your life unhappy, you have the RIGHT to GTFO. You may have the right, but not the capability. Weakness is not slavery. It's just weakness. You wouldn't believe the strength it takes to stay.

OsideGirl -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 12:43:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Actually Greta, it can get beyond 'play'... especially with M/s. There are some submissives that can't leave their Masters. No, there are some slaves who think they can not leave their Masters. There is a difference. That's arguing perception vs reality. For what it's worth, every person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, has the basic human right to leave. They are not condemned to stay with a toxic person. If said person is making your life unhappy, you have the RIGHT to GTFO. You may have the right, but not the capability. Weakness is not slavery. It's just weakness. You wouldn't believe the strength it takes to stay. Because it's not.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 1:02:55 PM)
< still bewildered

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 2:24:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Actually Greta, it can get beyond 'play'... especially with M/s. There are some submissives that can't leave their Masters. No, there are some slaves who think they can not leave their Masters. There is a difference. That's arguing perception vs reality. For what it's worth, every person, no matter what side of the slash they are on, has the basic human right to leave. They are not condemned to stay with a toxic person. If said person is making your life unhappy, you have the RIGHT to GTFO. You may have the right, but not the capability. Weakness is not slavery. It's just weakness. You wouldn't believe the strength it takes to stay. Because it's not. I know what you're saying but if you don't think enduring abuse doesn't require some sort of strength you haven't experienced it.

LadyPact -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 2:32:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka You wouldn't believe the strength it takes to stay. Because it's not strength. It's fear of the unknown and complacency. The devil you know, and all that. We're not talking about 'getting over the hump' or struggling through the bad times. We're talking about when somebody, honestly is worse for you than they are good for you. If that ever happens, FUCKING LEAVE!!!

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 2:34:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka You wouldn't believe the strength it takes to stay. Because it's not strength. It's fear of the unknown and complacency. The devil you know, and all that. We're not talking about 'getting over the hump' or struggling through the bad times. We're talking about when somebody, honestly is worse for you than they are good for you. If that ever happens, FUCKING LEAVE!!! I did and it wasn't easy.. Luckily i have a good family.

LadyPact -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 2:54:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I did and it wasn't easy.. Luckily i have a good family. Today, I do, too. It wasn't always like that. My family suffered. No, it wasn't "easy". But, it's worth it.

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 3:03:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I did and it wasn't easy.. Luckily i have a good family. Today, I do, too. It wasn't always like that. My family suffered. No, it wasn't "easy". But, it's worth it. I agree with you there.

LadyPact -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 3:04:57 PM)
e ETC... I did three years, too. Wanna play????

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 3:18:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact e ETC... I did three years, too. Wanna play???? ? I don't get the above post.

OsideGirl -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 4:01:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I know what you're saying but if you don't think enduring abuse doesn't require some sort of strength you haven't experienced it. Where did I say that?

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 4:15:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I know what you're saying but if you don't think enduring abuse doesn't require some sort of strength you haven't experienced it. Where did I say that? Post 168

LadyPact -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 6:50:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka ? I don't get the above post. The REASON that I won't advocate staying in a bad dynamic is because I had one. During which, the last three months, I was pretty miserable. The person I put out of my life stalked and harassed me for three+ years. It sucked. It sucked in ways I can't even describe. But, I can tell you right now, the worst day going through that stuff was better than any day I had with the person who did it.

tamaka -> RE: Why do raceplayers get so much crap from everyone (12/31/2016 7:36:48 PM)
Ahhhh... i see.

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