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heavyblinker -> RE: Trump voters not allowed (12/28/2016 11:24:00 PM)
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Ironic, considering Trump wants to hang a similar sign targeting Muslims on all of America.
Fighting discrimination with discrimination never works, but at the same time I understand that people feel the need to take action and let everyone know that they will not accept Trump. Hating people because they helped a fascist into power isn't exactly the same as hating people because they're gay... I mean, fascism actually hurts people.
Heavy...please explain how it's o.k. to hate on someone who fits your preconceived notion of what something is...in this case, fascism...but not o.k. to hate on something that you deem acceptable. Please cite the appropriate section of the Constitution that allows this type of discrimination. Then please cite how this fits under the tolerance banner of "acceptance of differing views" that progressives like to bring out and parade under.
I didn't say it was 'okay', I said I understood it--like I said, fighting discrimination with discrimination never works. I've already explained why I think Trump is a fascist... so do you think that we should all learn to accept and love fascism? So acceptance of Neo-nazis is, in your mind, equivalent to acceptance of say, black people or homosexuals?
I don't know what the constitution has to do with anything, and I don't know why you think progressives are supposed to be universally accepting of absolutely everything and everyone. Nobody is accepting of everything and everyone unless they're one of those people with no beliefs or values whatsoever-- the kind of people who think they can make everyone happy all the time. It doesn't work.
You say all that as if tolerance means the same thing as acceptance. It does not. Tolerance is allowance for a differing view while not necessarily agreeing with it. Acceptance is embracing that view and finding a way to make it work. Tolerance is what the gay couples sue over...acceptance is something that may never be achieved.
Here's an interesting article that explains it well. Surprising, given the source but the writer does a good job of explaining the difference and...perhaps not meaning to but doing so anyway...explaining why one can be achieved through legal means if necessary, but nothing except ones own desire will achieve the other.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5791076
Fascists shouldn't be tolerated either... they're scum and their vision for the future is not the kind of society I would ever want to live in, let alone support.
I could live in a Romney society, a conservative society, possibly even a libertarian society if it meant I could escape into the wilderness... but no fucking way I would ever tolerate a fascist society. That's when it's time to fight back.
But...you understand that it is your OPINION that Trump us a fascist. And under the law in our society, that has to be proven for your opinion to have any weight. Secondly, under the law, neither Trump or any of his followers can be discriminated against for their political view. It may be your belief that Trump is a fascist...tine and his actions will prove/disprove that. As for whether he should be tolerated, he already has been tolerated...elected to his office. You don't have to tolerate him...but you cannot discriminate against him. Nor can this restaurant owner.
Yes, it's my opinion, but it's an opinion I share with many others. I don't know how you're going to prove that someone is a fascist under the law because being a fascist isn't illegal. It also isn't illegal for a fascist to run for president, or for a political party to prop them up. If that were illegal, then Trump wouldn't have made it past the primaries... someone would have done something.
The problem is that the law is not always right. It isn't a absolute moral code that dictates anyone's actions, and it doesn't always prevent bad things from happening.
And yes, anyone can absolutely discriminate against anyone else, even if it is illegal-- they can simply accept the consequences. Even if fascists are protected by discrimination laws, it doesn't mean that discriminating against them is morally wrong. I don't think it's productive or a valid way to make your point, but whatever.
The problem is that there isn't just one kind of person who voted for Trump. There are the partisan idiots who would have voted for Satan if he was on the GOP ticket, there are the deplorables (alt-right, skinheads, bigots, etc), and then there are the people who were duped by his outrageous lies. The first two are hopeless and cannot be reached, but the last category is reachable and pushing them away isn't a good idea.
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