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BoscoX -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 7:09:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You forgot your god, he thanks them too, and dont forget the flag ........


Absolutely. For God and country!




WhoreMods -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 7:22:44 AM)

...his mon, his dad, his manager, his agent, Alan Sugar, Rupert Murdoch, Piers Morgan, everybody else he's ever met...
Wait, no: that was the Emmy he didn't win, wasn't it?
[:D]
(As for whose fault the pedo elect's appointment is, the Electoral College are somewhat culpable as well, given events since voting finished.)




BoscoX -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 9:12:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

...his mon, his dad, his manager, his agent, Alan Sugar, Rupert Murdoch, Piers Morgan, everybody else he's ever met...
Wait, no: that was the Emmy he didn't win, wasn't it?
[:D]
(As for whose fault the pedo elect's appointment is, the Electoral College are somewhat culpable as well, given events since voting finished.)


You worship Mohammad, who lead a pedo cult - and yet complain about fake news pedos?

Must be an alt left drooler




WhoreMods -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 10:47:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

...his mon, his dad, his manager, his agent, Alan Sugar, Rupert Murdoch, Piers Morgan, everybody else he's ever met...
Wait, no: that was the Emmy he didn't win, wasn't it?
[:D]
(As for whose fault the pedo elect's appointment is, the Electoral College are somewhat culpable as well, given events since voting finished.)


You worship Mohammad, who lead a pedo cult - and yet complain about fake news pedos?

Must be an alt left drooler

I'm a catholic, as a matter of fact.
Should I be calling all the Trumptooners Greek Orthodox because they're Putin's bitches just like the tiny handed shitweasel?




cloudboy -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 11:51:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


If you didn't vote for Hillary, you voted for Trump. Good job.


Yes, and I want to take this opportunity to thank every one here who voted third party, too. I thank you, and President Trump thanks you.

THIRD PARTIES RULE!!!


WELL SAID.




Termyn8or -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 12:36:28 PM)

Collaborators with foreign invaders are languishing in those jails. the US would do no less.

T^T




BoscoX -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 12:39:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Collaborators with foreign invaders are languishing in those jails. the US would do no less.

T^T


But... but... but... RUSSIA!!!

TRUMP!!!

[sm=runaway.gif]




Musicmystery -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 12:52:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


If you didn't vote for Hillary, you voted for Trump. Good job.


Yes, and I want to take this opportunity to thank every one here who voted third party, too. I thank you, and President Trump thanks you.

THIRD PARTIES RULE!!!


WELL SAID.

What bullshit.

I'm from NY. Clinton carried it by, what, 30 points? FFS.

Meanwhile, getting 5% of the vote gets a party an automatic spot on the ballot next election. It matters.

If you like the current 2-party system, well, enjoy Trump.

I'm pretty sure it's the people who actually voted for Trump that made him President.

A majority of Americans hated both candidates. How stupid is it to vote for them then?

Go ahead and feel self-righteous. But if you want to direct that at me, fuck off cb.




cloudboy -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 5:15:41 PM)

There's nothing self-righteous about it, you Clinton carpers helped get Trump elected because you couldn't get behind her. It makes all your Trump criticisms hard to take -- and your fall-back position of not liking the two party system is Juvenile. That's what we have. Even Bosco sees that. A big reason Clinton lost is folks like you. So, its time to kiss up to Trump.





Musicmystery -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/3/2017 6:39:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

There's nothing self-righteous about it, you Clinton carpers helped get Trump elected because you couldn't get behind her. It makes all your Trump criticisms hard to take -- and your fall-back position of not liking the two party system is Juvenile. That's what we have. Even Bosco sees that. A big reason Clinton lost is folks like you. So, its time to kiss up to Trump.



It's entirely self-righteous -- read your own post.

I get to vote for whom I want. That's how this works.

In this case, in my view, both Clinton and Trump were horrible choices (for different reasons), and, since I didn't want either one to be president, voted for someone else.

That this didn't fit with YOUR plans or views is your own damn problem.

And, again, Clinton won NY by 24.5 points (I just looked it up). So, 23% of NY could have joined me and the other Green Party voters, and Clinton STILL would have taken NY's 29 electoral votes.

How the fuck is that "Helping elect Trump," except in your own bizarre and bitter mind?

And -- EVEN IF IT WERE "HELPING ELECT TRUMP," THAT DOESN'T MEAN I AND OTHER VOTERS WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR CLINTON. You get that? And we get to choose.

You've already tried to lay this "white male" crap on me -- you aren't exactly voicing reason here.

So fuck off. If you don't like that other people have different views than you, and vote accordingly, find a different country with a different system.




cloudboy -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 9:15:33 AM)

You keep making this about me. You voted for Trump by proxy. End of story.

Carping about Clinton helped Trump into office. Good Job.




Kirata -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 9:53:35 AM)


~ FR ~

Syria: Manufactured Discontent (excerpted)

A review of press reports in the weeks immediately preceding and following the mid-March 2011 outbreak of riots in Daraa—usually recognized as the beginning of the uprising—offers no indication that Syria was in the grips of a revolutionary distemper, whether anti-neo-liberal or otherwise. On the contrary, reporters representing Time magazine and the New York Times referred to the government as having broad support, of critics conceding that Assad was popular, and of Syrians exhibiting little interest in protest. At the same time, they described the unrest as a series of riots involving hundreds, and not thousands or tens of thousands of people, guided by a largely Islamist agenda and exhibiting a violent character...

In late January 2011, a page was created on Facebook called The Syrian Revolution 2011. It announced that a "Day of Rage" would be held on February 4 and 5. The protests "fizzled," reported Time. The Day of Rage amounted to a Day of Indifference...

Time's correspondent Rania Abouzeid attributed the failure of the protest organizers to draw significant support to the fact that most Syrians were not opposed to their government. Assad had a favorable reputation, especially among the two-thirds of the population under 30 years of age, and his government's policies were widely supported . . . A Syrian youth told Time: "There is a lot of government help for the youth. They give us free books, free schools, free universities" . . . She continued: "Why should there be a revolution? There's maybe a one percent chance." The New York Times shared this view. Syria, the newspaper reported, "seemed immune to the wave of uprisings sweeping the Arab world." Syria was distemper-free...

A week after the outbreak of violence in Daraa, Time's Rania Abouzeid reported that "there do not appear to be widespread calls for the fall of the regime or the removal of the relatively popular President." Indeed, the demands issued by the protesters and clerics had not included calls for Assad to step down. And Syrians were rallying to Assad. "There were counterdemonstrations in the capital in support of the President," reportedly far exceeding in number the hundreds of protesters who turned out in Daraa to burn buildings and cars and clash with police.

By April 9—less than a month after the Daraa events—Time reported that a string of protests had broken out and that Islam was playing a prominent role in them. For anyone who was conversant with the decades-long succession of strikes, demonstrations, riots, and insurrections the Muslim Brotherhood had organized against what it deemed the "infidel" Ba'athist government, this looked like history repeating itself.

Islamists played a lead role in drafting the Damascus Declaration in the mid-2000s, which demanded regime change. In 2007, the Muslim Brothers, the archetypal Sunni political Islamist movement, which inspired Al-Qaeda and its progeny, Jabhat al Nusra and Islamic State, teamed up with a former Syrian vice-president to found the National Salvation Front. The front met frequently with the US State Department and the US National Security Council, as well as with the US government-funded Middle East Partnership Initiative, which did openly what the CIA once did covertly, namely, funnel money and expertise to fifth columnists in countries whose governments Washington opposed.

By 2009, just two years before the eruption of unrest throughout the Arab world, the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood denounced the Arab nationalist government of Bashar al-Assad as a foreign and hostile element in Syrian society which needed to be eliminated. According to the group's thinking, the Alawite community, to which Assad belonged, and which the Brothers regarded as heretics, used secular Arab nationalism as a cover to furtively advance a sectarian agenda to destroy Syria from within by oppressing "true" (i.e., Sunni) Muslims. In the name of Islam, the heretical regime would have to be overthrown.

That the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood played a key role in the uprising that erupted three months later was confirmed in 2012 by the US Defense Intelligence Agency. A leaked report from the agency said that the insurgency was sectarian and led by the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the forerunner of Islamic State. The report went on to say that the insurgents were supported by the West, Arab Gulf oil monarchies and Turkey. The analysis correctly predicted the establishment of a "Salafist principality," an Islamic state, in Eastern Syria, noting that this was desired by the insurgency's foreign backers, who wanted to see the secular Arab nationalists isolated and cut-off from Iran.

Documents prepared by US Congress researchers in 2005 revealed that the US government was actively weighing regime change in Syria long before the Arab Spring uprisings of 2011, challenging the view that US support for the Syrian rebels was based on allegiance to a "democratic uprising" and showing that it was simply an extension of a long-standing policy of seeking to topple the government in Damascus.

Indeed, the researchers acknowledged that the US government's motivation to overthrow the secular Arab nationalist government in Damascus was unrelated to democracy promotion in the Middle East. In point of fact, they noted that Washington's preference was for secular dictatorships (Egypt) and monarchies (Jordan and Saudi Arabia.) The impetus for pursuing regime change, according to the researchers, was a desire to sweep away an impediment to the achievement of US goals in the Middle East related to strengthening Israel, consolidating US domination of Iraq, and fostering open market, free enterprise economies. Democracy was never a consideration.


With 67 references, here.

K.




cloudboy -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 10:02:03 AM)


Not sure what your point is -- but US foreign policy is full of all kinds of holes:

IRAN, Guatamala, Chile, El Salvador, Vietnam, Afghanistan, IRAQ, etc.

From what I read -- two years of severe drought had a huge impact on destabilizing Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/science/earth/study-links-syria-conflict-to-drought-caused-by-climate-change.html?_r=0





Kirata -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 10:08:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Not sure what your point is...

I have no doubt of that.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

From what I read -- two years of severe drought had a huge impact on destabilizing Syria.

More from the link:

A final point on the origins of the violent uprising in 2011: Some social scientists and analysts have drawn on a study published in The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences to suggest that “drought played a role in the Syrian unrest.” According to this view, drought “caused crop failures that led to the migration of as many as 1.5 million people from rural to urban areas.” This, in combination with an influx of refugees from Iraq, intensified competition for scarce jobs in urban areas, making Syria a cauldron of social and economic tension ready to boil over. The argument sounds reasonable, even “scientific,” but the phenomenon it seeks to explain—mass upheaval in Syria—never happened.

As we’ve seen, a review of Western press coverage found no reference to mass upheaval. On the contrary, reporters who expected to find a mass upheaval were surprised that they didn’t find one. Instead, Western journalists found Syria to be surprisingly quiet. Demonstrations called by organizers of the Syrian Revolution 2011 Facebook page fizzled. Critics conceded that Assad was popular. Reporters could find no one who believed a revolt was imminent. Even a month after the Daraa incident—which involved only hundreds of protesters, dwarfed by the tens of thousands of Syrians who demonstrated in Damascus in support of the government—the New York Times reporter on the ground, Anthony Shadid, could find no sign in Syria of the mass upheavals of Tunisia and Egypt.


K.




BoscoX -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 10:39:49 AM)

On reading those posts, two words come to mind Kirata - establishment politicians

Okay, one more. "Insanity"




Kirata -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 10:48:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

On reading those posts, two words come to mind Kirata - establishment politicians

Okay, one more. "Insanity"

I would have chosen power and greed, but let's not quibble. They may be the same. [:)]

K.




Musicmystery -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 11:28:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

You keep making this about me. You voted for Trump by proxy. End of story.

Carping about Clinton helped Trump into office. Good Job.

You're the dude who jumped on me, asshole.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "Did so! Did so!" isn't going to make it true.

But let's cut to your silly simplistic place -- if not supporting Clinton elected Trump, I'm fine with that.

They were both poor choices. And, I still get to decide that. If you don't like it, fuck off.




mnottertail -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 12:43:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

On reading those posts, two words come to mind Kirata - establishment politicians

Okay, one more. "Insanity"

inSanity certainly comes to mind tommie, as does factless felchgobbler, and nutsucker.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 6:41:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
There's nothing self-righteous about it, you Clinton carpers helped get Trump elected because you couldn't get behind her. It makes all your Trump criticisms hard to take -- and your fall-back position of not liking the two party system is Juvenile. That's what we have. Even Bosco sees that. A big reason Clinton lost is folks like you. So, its time to kiss up to Trump.


Does Hillary being a horrible candidate not have any responsibility for people like MM not being able to get behind her?

ETA: Since I'd have voted for Trump over Clinton, did my 3rd party vote help get Trump elected?




Wayward5oul -> RE: Syrian activists languish in government jails (1/5/2017 7:12:00 PM)


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A big reason Clinton lost is folks like you. So, its time to kiss up to Trump.

I voted for Clinton because I thought that was the least vile choice. She was the best qualified candidate, no doubt, not just in comparison to Trump but in comparison to many of the.candidates throughout the election.

However, there is no denying the deep-seated corruption that came with the package, and the political cronyism that was there as well. And every time she got called out for it, she just lifted her chin higher and acted as if she was above all of it, and ultimately, above all of us.
People can only take so much arrogance and blatant corruption from one family. They probably figured if we are going to have to continue to deal with that kind of crap, let's at least see what different packaging can do.

Trump's most honest line during the entire campaign was one aimed at black voters, but people of all races heard it: what do you have to lose?

Make no mistake. Clinton lost this election because of Clinton.




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