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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 11:55:41 AM   
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It probably involves a large black monolith of some kind.


Okay, so you are putting down blacks AND gays

Are you trying to outdo musical or are you just one of his socks

Dafuq?


I guess I'm putting down black people by talking about a object that is black in color, but I don't know how I am putting down gays.

I think BoscoX is descended from one of the apes that didn't touch the monolith.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 11:57:05 AM   
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It probably involves a large black monolith of some kind.


Okay, so you are putting down blacks AND gays

Are you trying to outdo musical or are you just one of his socks


I get that you're slow and everything but this degree of cultural illiteracy is absolutely unforgivable.


You can either laugh at this thread or let it give you a migraine. I'm going for the

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 12:45:27 PM   
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Whether that's "evolution" is highly debatable.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 8:30:43 PM   
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But they are not. Scandinavian countries are now the most peaceful nations in the world, and they barely believe in their Pagan stuffs anymore.

What is it that make them able to evolve out of their religion and Muslims still cannot?


As usual the basis of your ideas and conclusions is your complete ignorance of any facts:
The not so peaceful history of Scandinavia:
Sweden:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Wars

Finland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Denmark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Denmark

And of course you also have no clue about the relevance (or irrelevance) of religion there in past and present. But the list to get you supplied with basic facts might be endless ...




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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 8:45:36 PM   
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73% of Norway is Lutheran, a religion started centuries after Islam.

Whether that's "evolution" is highly debatable.


Christianity is older than Islam by about 600 years

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 8:51:29 PM   
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But they are not. Scandinavian countries are now the most peaceful nations in the world, and they barely believe in their Pagan stuffs anymore.

What is it that make them able to evolve out of their religion and Muslims still cannot?


As usual the basis of your ideas and conclusions is your complete ignorance of any facts:
The not so peaceful history of Scandinavia:
Sweden:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Wars

Finland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Denmark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Denmark

And of course you also have no clue about the relevance (or irrelevance) of religion there in past and present. But the list to get you supplied with basic facts might be endless ...






Some of the conflicts you sourced took place over 500 years ago, another was started by a Soviet invasion

None of the more recent conflicts that I saw were based on religion, they were over territory.


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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 9:01:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even you might have been able to read the word "irrelevance" - of religion - in my post;

as well as the word relevance (as in the 30 years' war to be found on several of the posted links). Yes it has been a while. And it had long-lasting effects in the countries that where most affected by it (I know because I live there).

Besides it is not my claim to link the peaceful Scandinavians with their religious affiliations.

Maybe they are (more) peaceful now because they know their history.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 9:19:40 PM   
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Greta, lovely as you are, you should know already that if there is an answer, the question is poorly phrased. Scandinavian vis à vis muslim is a false dichotomy, and the "speed" of evolution is precisely the generation speed, Deinococcus radiodurans notwithstanding.

No biologist worth his salt will describe contemporary creatures as more or less evolved than one another. The terms are usually basal and derived, with respect to morphology or genome.

Keep in mind, that organisms are not superior or inferior to each other, just the relics of survival and reproduction in different circumstances.

The dodo was not inferior, it was simply well suited to a situation that changed...

I think the short answer is winter though.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 9:33:22 PM   
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But they are not. Scandinavian countries are now the most peaceful nations in the world, and they barely believe in their Pagan stuffs anymore.

What is it that make them able to evolve out of their religion and Muslims still cannot?


As usual the basis of your ideas and conclusions is your complete ignorance of any facts:
The not so peaceful history of Scandinavia:
Sweden:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Wars

Finland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Denmark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Denmark

And of course you also have no clue about the relevance (or irrelevance) of religion there in past and present. But the list to get you supplied with basic facts might be endless ...


Actually, you are just proving my point that IF Scandinavian nations can be peaceful now. Why can't Muslim nations? My whole point was that the Viking Nations managed to turn from savages to what they are now. Islam hasn't evolved from savages yet.
Could it be, because of their religion?

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 9:41:05 PM   
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I think the short answer is winter though.

So because the middle east are in the deserts. Somehow, people from cold Nations with Harsh Winter Landscape have a better chance of evolving to more humane way of life?
Ok, that's new to me.

But then, that doesn't really explain Australia.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 9:43:02 PM   
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Maybe they are (more) peaceful now because they know their history.

So Muslims in Muslim Nations can't be more peaceful now despite knowing their own history?

Japan, Germany and Vikings definitely, I agree, learn from their history to improve and become better.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 9:45:35 PM   
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So Muslims in Muslim Nations can't be more peaceful now despite knowing their history?
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Good question - ask them.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 10:05:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Up there they had Odinism. The nine charges of Odinism make sense. Well eight of them anyway. I can't say for sue but it seems maybe there was much less contradiction.

There are many contradictions in the old testament, which some people seem to find very convenient. So Jesus tries to straighten the shit out by getting people to be peaceful. I mean, thou shalt not kill and then kill kill kill. And Leviticus was insane, I am sure of it.

But then there was this other prophet who tried to straighten the shit out but he hooked on the kill part.

It's been said that humans developed faster when survival became easier and they had more spare time. Time to feed that frontal lobe. Can't be sure it it is true though, none of us were there.

I believe it is more the people. If you can talk people into committing suicide for 72 virgins, I say there's something wrong with the people. When these suicide bombers are desperate because the west just killed most of their family that is a different story. But nobody in the west bombed Saudi Arabia. The only motivation that makes sense is that they don't like the government and US support for that government. Nobody killed their kids, Grampa or anything over there, unless the government did. So why go on a suicide mission ?

T^T

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 10:06:29 PM   
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I think that people are being worse than disingenuous here, starting with the OP.

As to various respondents, 'news you can use' is that the Vikings did not slaughter thousands of monks to purpose of converting them to Catholicism.





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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 10:15:28 PM   
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I think the short answer is winter though.

So because the middle east are in the deserts. Somehow, people from cold Nations with Harsh Winter Landscape have a better chance of evolving to more humane way of life?
Ok, that's new to me.

But then, that doesn't really explain Australia.



Who said any of this explains Australia??????????????????


And could you explain what defines that "more humane way of life"? Some more facts you might take into account related to scandinavian winters?: darkness depression, higher rate of adult lactose tolerance, alcoholism, world class ice hockey, skiing, polar night, reindeer meat, stockfish, smörrebröd, sauna ...

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 10:57:27 PM   
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I think the short answer is winter though.

So because the middle east are in the deserts. Somehow, people from cold Nations with Harsh Winter Landscape have a better chance of evolving to more humane way of life?
Ok, that's new to me.

But then, that doesn't really explain Australia.


Well, if it's true, either genetically or culturally, then Australia would not be a counter-example, given that the dominant Australian culture or ethnicity has not undergone much change since their very recent arrival.

There is a theory that surviving harsh winters necessitated a greater and wider solidarity in terms of culture, as well as having selected for a greater willingness to delay gratification, and plan for the future.

Such factors could over time lead to significant differences in culture or genetics from those of a population or society that dwelled in a different environment.

Just a theory.

Also worth noting that deserts are harsh as well.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/1/2017 11:19:33 PM   
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I think the short answer is winter though.

So because the middle east are in the deserts. Somehow, people from cold Nations with Harsh Winter Landscape have a better chance of evolving to more humane way of life?
Ok, that's new to me.

But then, that doesn't really explain Australia.


Well, if it's true, either genetically or culturally, then Australia would not be a counter-example, given that the dominant Australian culture or ethnicity has not undergone much change since their very recent arrival.

There is a theory that surviving harsh winters necessitated a greater and wider solidarity in terms of culture, as well as having selected for a greater willingness to delay gratification, and plan for the future.

Such factors could over time lead to significant differences in culture or genetics from those of a population or society that dwelled in a different environment.

Just a theory.

Also worth noting that deserts are harsh as well.


Not to forget very very cold at night ...

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 1:31:29 AM   
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Actually, you are just proving my point that IF Scandinavian nations can be peaceful now. Why can't Muslim nations? My whole point was that the Viking Nations managed to turn from savages to what they are now. Islam hasn't evolved from savages yet.
Could it be, because of their religion?


During early capitalism, European countries were some of the most violent places around... constantly fighting each other, constantly conquering other places. The violence didn't really stop until all of the fighting and killing and death climaxed with the two largest wars the world has ever seen. After all of that destruction and death, as well as the emergence of nuclear weapons, people kind of became sick of/scared of more war... unless it involved attacking weaker nations where the odds were good that the attackers wouldn't suffer any real damage.

And so we get to the problem with Islam after 1979.

For most of the 70s, Afghan women dressed like this:



But 1979 changed everything because that's when the US decided that a good way to crush the USSR was to draw them into a disastrous, expensive war... so began arming extremists that helped to create a lot of instability and allowed for repressive elements to take charge.

Throughout the 1980s, these repressive ultraconservative movements became the norm, largely because of the influence of the US and the USSR.

So it isn't about Islam so much as the fact that the repressive elements that exist within ALL religions gaining power. It's not unlike what would happen if the US found itself invaded and embroiled in years of conflict-- and when the dust settled the Westboro Baptist Church was in charge... and then they started trying to convert Canada, Mexico, Central and South America.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 1:48:16 AM   
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One of the explanation as to why Islam is still so backwards in Islamic countries is that, because it is a new religion and it's not been around long enough compared to Christianity.

But I want to compare Islam to the Paganism of the Vikings.

If the Vikings were practicing what they believe in today, it would be pretty barbaric, they might be modern terrorists with their lifestyle and their human sacrifices.

But they are not. Scandinavian countries are now the most peaceful nations in the world, and they barely believe in their Pagan stuffs anymore.

What is it that make them able to evolve out of their religion and Muslims still cannot?


The Koran includes language that instructs true believers to convert infidels; by force if necessary. Now if you look at the history of Asatru (Modern iteration of Scandinavian paganism) you have to earn your place in the religious organization. Absolutely nothing about forcing others into enslavement to their diety. Compare also the Christian New Testament where believers are told to take the word and lessons to the world. There was no blatant instruction to force unbelievers into the religion and forced conversion has lost political favor since the 30 years war wound to a conclusion in Europe.

If you look at the timeline of the Ottoman Caliphate (Ottoman Empire); it started with the Mongol Horde (muslim) forcefully taking over great swaths of Asia, Africa, and encroaching into Europe. The Caliphate started with the clergy (the mullahs) working for the government. When the religious clerics gained political power the Ottoman Empire decayed and basically self destructed around World War I.

What exists in so many areas of the middle east today is the remains of a Muslim empire that devolved into a repressive theocracy and tribal warlords. And the theocratic establishment in middle eastern countries wants to force their version of theocracy on all areas where Muslims reside. Genghis Khan created a Muslim empire that stretched from Peking to Spain. The fanatical clerics destroyed it.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 1:54:12 AM   
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