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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 2:02:03 AM   
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Oh right, the US is actually against religious fanaticism.

Thanks for neocons saving the day there.




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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 3:12:32 AM   
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Oh right, the US is actually against religious fanaticism.

Thanks for neocons saving the day there.


I guess they didn't realize that 'Islam will dominate the world' actually refers the world that includes the US as well as the USSR.

Who would have ever imagined that convincing Islamists that they were responsible for the destruction of the USSR just might embolden them to take on the other superpower when they were done?

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 3:15:24 AM   
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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 4:24:30 AM   
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Now if you look at the history of Asatru (Modern iteration of Scandinavian paganism)...

And presumably the Wiccans have accurately recreated an identical version of whatever it was matriachal pagans did back in the neolithic as well?
Comparing Asatru/Odinism to whatever it was Scandinavian pagans used to do before their religions were destroyed by the Catholic church is like using the Harry Potter novels as a spellbook to cast hermetic rituals: there's some chunks of genuine research in there, but there's an awful lot more fantasy and invention.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 4:50:24 AM   
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Actually, you are just proving my point that IF Scandinavian nations can be peaceful now. Why can't Muslim nations? My whole point was that the Viking Nations managed to turn from savages to what they are now. Islam hasn't evolved from savages yet.
Could it be, because of their religion?


During early capitalism, European countries were some of the most violent places around... constantly fighting each other, constantly conquering other places. The violence didn't really stop until all of the fighting and killing and death climaxed with the two largest wars the world has ever seen. After all of that destruction and death, as well as the emergence of nuclear weapons, people kind of became sick of/scared of more war... unless it involved attacking weaker nations where the odds were good that the attackers wouldn't suffer any real damage.

And so we get to the problem with Islam after 1979.

For most of the 70s, Afghan women dressed like this:



But 1979 changed everything because that's when the US decided that a good way to crush the USSR was to draw them into a disastrous, expensive war... so began arming extremists that helped to create a lot of instability and allowed for repressive elements to take charge.

Throughout the 1980s, these repressive ultraconservative movements became the norm, largely because of the influence of the US and the USSR.

So it isn't about Islam so much as the fact that the repressive elements that exist within ALL religions gaining power. It's not unlike what would happen if the US found itself invaded and embroiled in years of conflict-- and when the dust settled the Westboro Baptist Church was in charge... and then they started trying to convert Canada, Mexico, Central and South America.


Jimmy Carter, that neocon rat BASTARD!!!

HE MADE THE SOVIETS DO IT!!!

I knew it all along

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:02:37 AM   
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None of these peaceful societies are now catholic.
Yes, it's almost as though Catholicism isn't imperialistic and Islam is. Weird, huh?


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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:06:33 AM   
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None of these peaceful societies are now catholic.
Yes, it's almost as though Catholicism isn't imperialistic and Islam is. Weird, huh?


No, not weird at all. Its like the Catholics were imperialistic in China, and Japan, and Africa, and the Nordic countries, and the Middle East and, South America, and so on and got their first in their imperialism.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:13:53 AM   
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But 1979 changed everything because that's when the US decided that a good way to crush the USSR was to draw them into a disastrous, expensive war... so began arming extremists that helped to create a lot of instability and allowed for repressive elements to take charge.
Yeah, and at this point you just start parroting socialist propaganda.

The Russians invaded Afghanistan for reasons of their own. US aid prior to the invasion lasted for a total of 3 months, was covert, didn't involve weapons and had a budget of 500,000. The US specifically avoided a more significant covert program because the risk of provoking the Russians was too great.

Try thinking for yourself for once, instead of regurgitating the socialist nonsense you've been taught.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:14:53 AM   
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No, not weird at all. Its like the Catholics were imperialistic in China, and Japan, and Africa, and the Nordic countries, and the Middle East and, South America, and so on and got their first in their imperialism.
No, it's like the Catholics were concerned about the afterlife and the Muslims were concerned about conquering the world.

Ah, I could do this all day - you're on a loser here dude.


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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:17:52 AM   
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No, not weird at all. Its like the Catholics were imperialistic in China, and Japan, and Africa, and the Nordic countries, and the Middle East and, South America, and so on and got their first in their imperialism.
No, it's like the Catholics were concerned about the afterlife and the Muslims were concerned about conquering the world.

Ah, I could do this all day - you're on a loser here dude.


Nope, sorry you lose, take off your pants. All these religions are imperialistic, like treason, simply a matter of dates. The catholics couldn't hardly badmouth the nazis its being a catholic organization. We will save the inquistions discussion, and jews, et al, for later.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:44:04 AM   
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Who said any of this explains Australia??????????????????

Hot and Desert-like place!
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And could you explain what defines that "more humane way of life"? Some more facts you might take into account related to scandinavian winters?: darkness depression, higher rate of adult lactose tolerance, alcoholism, world class ice hockey, skiing, polar night, reindeer meat, stockfish, smörrebröd, sauna ...

Humane way of life is not stoning women to death for getting herself rape, for example.
Not imprisoning all their women in their countries by refusing to issue them passports IF they didn't have their father's or husband's approval. Another example.




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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:46:35 AM   
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Probably the most peaceful state on earth, never having declared war against any other state, voluntarily having declined offers of territorial gain in order not to spoil its relationship with the neighbours, is 97+% catholic;
btw oldest republic on earth still existing.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 5:49:38 AM   
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And so we get to the problem with Islam after 1979.

For most of the 70s, Afghan women dressed like this:



But 1979 changed everything because that's when the US decided that a good way to crush the USSR was to draw them into a disastrous, expensive war... so began arming extremists that helped to create a lot of instability and allowed for repressive elements to take charge.

This is precisely what happens when Islamic laws takes over Civil Laws. Which is practically their goal world wide. We see what happened in Afghanistan as the perfect example. When Taliban took over.


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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 6:00:36 AM   
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Who said any of this explains Australia??????????????????

Hot and Desert-like place!
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And could you explain what defines that "more humane way of life"? Some more facts you might take into account related to scandinavian winters?: darkness depression, higher rate of adult lactose tolerance, alcoholism, world class ice hockey, skiing, polar night, reindeer meat, stockfish, smörrebröd, sauna ...

Humane way of life is not stoning women to death for getting herself rape, for example.
Not imprisoning all their women in their countries by refusing to issue them passports IF they didn't have their father's or husband's approval. Another example.





Stoning was never popular in Scandinavia any time. Bad example
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"Imprisoning" women you think had nothing to do with religion when for instance the GDR did it - btw it was not limited to women but to all under the age of 65. The other way round access to Warsaw pact countries was severely restricted for citizens of neighbouring countries, especially if one had relatives across the border (mattered for many Finns for instance). Another bad example.

Did you pick the scandinavian countries for any reason, or just so?



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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 6:04:50 AM   
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Jimmy Carter, that neocon rat BASTARD!!!

HE MADE THE SOVIETS DO IT!!!

I knew it all along


Made the Soviets do what?

When one party takes over the government they have a choice to continue the policies of the previous government or start anew, and it seems that in this case, everyone chose to continue the policy. So what... nobody thinks that both parties do shady things in the name of what they believe?

It's not like the Reagan administration didn't try to win the cold war by doing this pretty much everywhere... they even got the CIA to sell cocaine to support anti-communist rebels in Nicaragua-- it's not like it's some big secret. The late-1980s crack epidemic was a direct result of this policy.

Here's an interesting interview that pretty much sums up the decision:

http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

They thought that the USSR needed to be destroyed and didn't consider fundamentalist Islamism to be any sort of threat to anyone.

I'm sick of all this ignorance about Islam by people who don't know or care anything about modern history. You can't just go 'Mohammed raped a child, yada yada yada, ISIS' as if that explains the state of the world today. Muslim societies were fine until the US fucked everything up... and Islam doesn't come in just one variety any more than Christianity does.

Usually war just makes everything worse and never makes anything better. If you buy into the idea that all Islam is inherently evil, you are opening yourself up to a lot of really horrible things. I fully believe that Trump could lead the US towards a Muslim genocide, both through his carelessness with intelligence (which could lead to another 9/11), and his willingness to use racism and xenophobia to rile up his supporters... and I think there will be people who support it as well. I can't imagine the Muslims being like the Jews either... they will fight back with even more ferocity.

This has nothing to do with racial, cultural or religious superiority and thinking of things in those terms is going to lead to a lot of terrible things happening.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 6:19:05 AM   
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This is precisely what happens when Islamic laws takes over Civil Laws. Which is practically their goal world wide. We see what happened in Afghanistan as the perfect example. When Taliban took over.


No, it's what happens when tyrannical movements seize power... usually during times of hardship. It is a pattern that has happened over and over since civilization began.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 7:23:44 AM   
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And so we get to the problem with Islam after 1979.

For most of the 70s, Afghan women dressed like this:



But 1979 changed everything because that's when the US decided that a good way to crush the USSR was to draw them into a disastrous, expensive war... so began arming extremists that helped to create a lot of instability and allowed for repressive elements to take charge.

This is precisely what happens when Islamic laws takes over Civil Laws. Which is practically their goal world wide. We see what happened in Afghanistan as the perfect example. When Taliban took over.



Hilarious that an alt left moron seriously tried to blame it on Jimmy Carter

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 7:27:14 AM   
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Made the Soviets do what?



Good luck trying to play even more stupid than you have already presented yourself here. That's got to be nearly impossible at this point

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 9:24:04 AM   
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Hilarious that an alt left moron seriously tried to blame it on Jimmy Carter


Yeah, it's so hilarious that you don't even have a response except name-calling and 'alt'.

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RE: Why did Vikings evolve faster than Muslims? - 1/2/2017 9:27:16 AM   
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Good luck trying to play even more stupid than you have already presented yourself here. That's got to be nearly impossible at this point


Well you surely just blew my points right out of the water.
If you had said 'alt', then your deeply insightful argument would have been even stronger.

Seriously, this is a thread about Islam's detrimental effect on EVOLUTION... and MY post is the stupid one?

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