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Nothing to see here (there).

I second this! Terrorism has nothing to do Islam! The attackers were probably just random sick people who has nothing better to do. Not motivated by Islam at all.

It is possible the attack came from the Kurds who have been warring with the Turks forever. If so it would be about territory and not religion. The Turks, if you haven't noticed are also Muslims.

That point and similar points seem to consistently elude this crowd.

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The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU

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So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"?

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The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU

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So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"?

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The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU

Didn't you see the post I did before on this?

"John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times.
Written Jan 12, 2015
Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often?
Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things.

Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening.
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Ali Qassim
Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge
Written Jun 30, 2012
To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something.

A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion.

So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'.

In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc...

It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know."

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy

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You don't get sarcasm, do you

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It is possible the attack came from the Kurds who have been warring with the Turks forever. If so it would be about territory and not religion. The Turks, if you haven't noticed are also Muslims.

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You don't get sarcasm, do you

Yes. I also know willful ignorance when I see it.

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It is possible the attack came from the Kurds who have been warring with the Turks forever. If so it would be about territory and not religion. The Turks, if you haven't noticed are also Muslims.

Whenever a terrorist attack happens these days, another thing is, "We can't be sure it's done by a Muslim yet! Because Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam!"

And then later, it is INDEED conducted by Muslims. And then it's just a coincidence! One off unusual unique occurrence. As apparently, 99.9% of Muslims are not terrorists!

Oh yea, that's the spew.

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So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"?

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The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU

Didn't you see the post I did before on this?

"John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times.
Written Jan 12, 2015
Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often?
Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things.

Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening.
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Ali Qassim
Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge
Written Jun 30, 2012
To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something.

A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion.

So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'.

In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc...

It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know."

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy

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So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again.

Having a small amount of language expertise, I can answer this. It means: "Shoot me. I'm a bomb-tossing scumbag."





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Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there were so many reasons to say that. Very interesting indeed. Now perhaps you can tell us what they meant when they said "The IS-linked Aamaq News Agency said the attack was carried by a "heroic soldier of the caliphate who attacked the most famous nightclub where Christians were celebrating their pagan feast.""

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and after you finish explain that, perhaps you could explain why no one is screaming for Turkey to tighten up it's gun laws like they do everytime there is a shooting in the states.

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The religion of peace strikes again.

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So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"?

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The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU

Didn't you see the post I did before on this?

"John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times.
Written Jan 12, 2015
Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often?
Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things.

Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening.
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Ali Qassim
Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge
Written Jun 30, 2012
To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something.

A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion.

So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'.

In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc...

It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know."

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there were so many reasons to say that. Very interesting indeed. Now perhaps you can tell us what they meant when they said "The IS-linked Aamaq News Agency said the attack was carried by a "heroic soldier of the caliphate who attacked the most famous nightclub where Christians were celebrating their pagan feast.""

https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-believed-behind-istanbul-nightclub-attack-071349545.html

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and after you finish explain that, perhaps you could explain why no one is screaming for Turkey to tighten up it's gun laws like they do everytime there is a shooting in the states.

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I think our posts crossed - see my reply to Bosco. The point of my long post about how and when 'Allahu Akba' is said is that it could be used by anyone who was brought up as Muslim, despite his, for instance, now claiming to be a Marxist-Leninist and an atheist - in much the same way that you hear western ex-Christians atheists saying 'Oh God' or 'Jesus Christ!'

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I think our posts crossed - see my reply to Bosco. The point of my long post about how and when 'Allahu Akba' is said is that it could be used by anyone who was brought up as Muslim, despite his, for instance, now claiming to be a Marxist-Leninist and an atheist - in much the same way that you hear western ex-Christians atheists saying 'Oh God' or 'Jesus Christ!'

That's disingenuous. While the phrase has use in multiple contexts, when it's used by a gunman pumping bullets into innocent civilians it's effectively a claim that what he's doing has the seal of approval from God himself.

So, yeah. When a gunman uses that phrase, you can be pretty sure it's an Islamic terrorist attack.