Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 5:14:15 AM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline
quote:

Oh, I dunno, maybe because it's actually a fucking terrorist attack which the idiot Leftists here keep trying to pretend is somehow unrelated to Islam.


Disingenuous. You're conflating 'Islamic' with 'Islamist'. The first refers to anything Muslim. Nobody has claimed that the attacker was not Muslim. I have claimed that the attacker might not have been Islamist - but a Marxist-Leniinist atheist. (But as it turns out, probably not.) Why would a Leftist such as I want to claim that this terrorist attack was done by a Leftist?

_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to Awareness)
Profile   Post #: 41
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 5:18:03 AM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Sort of a Gott mit Uns, or a God and country, or a in God we trust, sort of thing, then.


All those, and more. Seems to be pretty wide-ranging.

_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 42
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 5:27:07 AM   
Awareness


Posts: 3918
Joined: 9/8/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
That's disingenuous. While the phrase has use in multiple contexts, when it's used by a gunman pumping bullets into innocent civilians it's effectively a claim that what he's doing has the seal of approval from God himself.

So, yeah. When a gunman uses that phrase, you can be pretty sure it's an Islamic terrorist attack.


Islamic, but not necessarily Islamist.

"Islamism, also known as Political Islam (Arabic: إسلام سياسي‎‎ islām siyāsī), is an Islamic revival movement often characterized by moral conservatism, and the attempt "to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life."[1"


Yes, of course, the imperialistic ambitions of Islam are a recent development. It's not like their prophet ordered them to spread Islam across the world or anything.

*facepalm* Sometimes I wonder what happened to your brains.

quote:

That wouldn't describe the PKK. Though, as I said, the PKK doesn't ordinarily attack civilians.
Not true. http://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2016/05/20/pkk-terrorists-long-history-of-attacking-civilians-a-grim-timeline


< Message edited by Awareness -- 1/2/2017 5:30:15 AM >


_____________________________

Ever notice how fucking annoying most signatures are? - Yes, I do appreciate the irony.

(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 43
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 5:35:39 AM   
Awareness


Posts: 3918
Joined: 9/8/2010
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

Oh, I dunno, maybe because it's actually a fucking terrorist attack which the idiot Leftists here keep trying to pretend is somehow unrelated to Islam.


Disingenuous. You're conflating 'Islamic' with 'Islamist'. The first refers to anything Muslim. Nobody has claimed that the attacker was not Muslim.
The idea that terrorist attacks are 'Islamist' rather than simply a consequence of the Islamic creed is a refusal to confront Islam's very real heart of darkness. Imperialism and murder are built into the creed at a founding level. Until you pull your head out of the sand and confront that reality, you're going to continue to make excuses for a murderous creed and thousands of people will die because people like you refuse to deal with the world as it is.

quote:


I have claimed that the attacker might not have been Islamist - but a Marxist-Leniinist atheist. (But as it turns out, probably not.) Why would a Leftist such as I want to claim that this terrorist attack was done by a Leftist?
Peon, this is childishly easy to disassemble. The reason is simple. You'd like to reinterpret this attack as a regrettable but understandable part of the Kurdish struggle for independence. It's a classic part of the socialist paradigm. Every armed group fighting government forces is an underdog fighting for freedom from oppressive regimes.

You'd rather indict a group of what you'd call "freedom fighters" than admit the Islamic religion has a problem with violence and murder. Because Islam is an ally in the fight against white, Christian, male, capitalist hegemony.

This is because you are fucking nuts.


_____________________________

Ever notice how fucking annoying most signatures are? - Yes, I do appreciate the irony.

(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 44
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 5:48:44 AM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline
quote:

That wouldn't describe the PKK. Though, as I said, the PKK doesn't ordinarily attack civilians.

quote:

Not true. http://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2016/05/20/pkk-terrorists-long-history-of-attacking-civilians-a-grim-timeline


The sources on the PKK are heaving with pro-government bias, as one might easily imagine given the regime out there and its influence. Perhaps I should have said 'in this way' - as a lone gunman, in a crowd. It's not the present PKK style and even the Turkish authorities generally assumed that re this incident, preferring as they did that this was IS based. But I have no reason to defend the PKK, despite its Leftist leanings, as previously mentioned.


quote:

*facepalm* Sometimes I wonder what happened to your brains.


I got them educated, then used them to think in a balanced way. You should try both, A.

Jesus, you'll never grasp why I give up talking to you, will you?







< Message edited by PeonForHer -- 1/2/2017 5:49:03 AM >


_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to Awareness)
Profile   Post #: 45
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 5:54:54 AM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline
quote:

Peon, this is childishly easy to disassemble. The reason is simple. You'd like to reinterpret this attack as a regrettable but understandable part of the Kurdish struggle for independence. It's a classic part of the socialist paradigm. Every armed group fighting government forces is an underdog fighting for freedom from oppressive regimes.

You'd rather indict a group of what you'd call "freedom fighters" than admit the Islamic religion has a problem with violence and murder. Because Islam is an ally in the fight against white, Christian, male, capitalist hegemony.


No, for fuck's sake, I would *not* like to reinterpret this as as struggle for Kurdish independence. It makes no sense. And I have no reason to indict a group that I haven't, in fact, called 'freedom fighters'. And I do not see Islam as in any sense an ally against white, Christian, male, capitalist hegemony. I just don't see the world that way. Christ on a pony it's hard for that word 'fruitcake' not to pop onto the screen yet again.

< Message edited by PeonForHer -- 1/2/2017 5:55:23 AM >


_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to Awareness)
Profile   Post #: 46
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 11:56:10 AM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

So, what does "Allahu Akbar" mean in Arabic again. "I am a Kurdf"? "Happy New year"? Perhaps "Alt leftists are idiots"?

quote:

The gunman is seen casually strolling into the nightclub holding the weapon before carrying out the killing spree while reportedly shouting 'Allahu Akbar'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079942/Pictured-Female-security-guard-27-gunned-Istanbul-New-Year-terror-attack-nightclub.html#ixzz4UYXT7bLU



Didn't you see the post I did before on this?

"John Burgess, Former US Foreign Service Officer who's been around the block (and the world) a few times.
Written Jan 12, 2015
Originally Answered: Why do many fighters in the Middle East say "Allahu Akbar" so very often?
Muslim Arabs say "Allahu Akbar" all the time, not just in military operations. They say it when anything good happens, along with phrases like Alhamdulillah, to show that they credit God with good things.

Sometimes, the phrase is actually religious in intent; sometimes, it's just the rote response to something happening.
20.8k Views · View Upvotes
Downvote
Comments2
Share
Ali Qassim
Ali Qassim, M.D. with a passion for knowledge
Written Jun 30, 2012
To understand this phenomenon you have to know a little about Islam and Muslims. Muslims have a deep faith in predestination. They believe that god wills everything, and nothing occurs without the will of god. For example, Muslims constantly say Inshallah, which are actually two words: insha'a, which means 'if he wills', and Allah, when asked or ordered to do something. Even myself, being an atheist, have grown accustomed to using this term when asked a question or told to do something.

A central tennet of Islam is the "kun fa yakoon". This is actually a part of the Quran, specifically, Surat Yaseen. What this statement means is: kun, which means in a commanding sense 'occur!' and fa yakun, which means 'and it occurs'. You will occasionally hear this. For example, I might tell a fellow Muslim, "Fellow Muslim, how did Allah create the universe?" And his answer might simply be "kun fa yakoon". This demonstrates the intensity of Gods involvement in everything in the Islamic religion.

So, taking all that in, when Muslims scream 'Allahu akbar' (which means Allah the greatest, or Allah is great) they are reaffirming whatever is happening in accordance to Allah's will. When mourning, Allahu Akbar would signify God's predestination of this persons death. When about to go to war, Allahu Akbar would signify that the results occur according to Gods will, and God is with you thus whatever happens, you are righteous and will be rewarded accordingly, if not in this life, then the next. Before an exam, a Muslim may say Allahu akbar (or Bism illah which means in the name of Allah) and this would imply that 'I studied, I worked hard. I will score well if Allah wills, and if I don't then it is not for me to argue for Allah most likely has a plan'.

In this light, it is easy to see how Muslims use that phrase in many occasions, including war, exams, prior to opening a business, when the elevator gets stuck, during a natural disaster, when killing an 'infidel', etc...

It is reassurance that whatever happens, happens for a reason far greater than we might know."

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Muslims-repeat-the-phrase-allahu-akbar-God-is-great-in-many-contexts-from-weddings-to-battle-jubilation-to-shock-and-tragedy




Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know there were so many reasons to say that. Very interesting indeed. Now perhaps you can tell us what they meant when they said "The IS-linked Aamaq News Agency said the attack was carried by a "heroic soldier of the caliphate who attacked the most famous nightclub where Christians were celebrating their pagan feast.""

https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-believed-behind-istanbul-nightclub-attack-071349545.html
Oh, I dunno, maybe because it's actually a fucking terrorist attack which the idiot Leftists here keep trying to pretend is somehow unrelated to Islam.

quote:

and after you finish explain that, perhaps you could explain why no one is screaming for Turkey to tighten up it's gun laws like they do everytime there is a shooting in the states.
Turkey is actually a fairly modern parliamentary republic which, up until recently, has been pretty damn secular despite its majority Islam population. However when it comes to gun control, Turkey is already ahead of the US on that score. Fully and semi-automatic weapons are prohibited, background checks are mandatory and you must have a genuine reason for wanting a firearm license.

Turkey has a population of around 75 million, roughly 1/4 of that of the US. Despite that, their total gun deaths are 1/15th of those in the US with approximately 1800 deaths in 2013.

So, in answer to your question, the reason nobody screams for tighter gun control in Turkey is because they already have it and it's already working. Really, people - a little research would go a long way.


And yet they still have 35 people shot in one attack. Turkey has a lower murder rate than the US? It doesn't work unless it lowers the total murder rate, not just the firearm related murder rate?

I just looked up the stats, the US has a murder rate of 3.9, Turkey has one of 4.3 so I guess it isn't working out so well is it?

< Message edited by BamaD -- 1/2/2017 12:05:16 PM >


_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to Awareness)
Profile   Post #: 47
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 1:11:08 PM   
BoscoX


Posts: 11308
Joined: 12/10/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

And yet they still have 35 people shot in one attack. Turkey has a lower murder rate than the US? It doesn't work unless it lowers the total murder rate, not just the firearm related murder rate?

I just looked up the stats, the US has a murder rate of 3.9, Turkey has one of 4.3 so I guess it isn't working out so well is it?


Places like that, they don't necessarily keep real good stats like we do

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 48
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 3:29:53 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

And yet they still have 35 people shot in one attack. Turkey has a lower murder rate than the US? It doesn't work unless it lowers the total murder rate, not just the firearm related murder rate?

I just looked up the stats, the US has a murder rate of 3.9, Turkey has one of 4.3 so I guess it isn't working out so well is it?


Places like that, they don't necessarily keep real good stats like we do

True, but that would make it even worse, more likely to under report the number of crimes.

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to BoscoX)
Profile   Post #: 49
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 4:12:22 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-shooting-idUSKBN14L13V

Brazil lost 11 on NY...
Christian country Brazil
Has a murder rate in 2014 oh 24.6

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 50
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 6:56:22 PM   
BoscoX


Posts: 11308
Joined: 12/10/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-shooting-idUSKBN14L13V

Brazil lost 11 on NY...
Christian country Brazil
Has a murder rate in 2014 oh 24.6


More proof that we need to enforce our Southern border again, finally

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 51
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 8:26:45 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-shooting-idUSKBN14L13V

Brazil lost 11 on NY...
Christian country Brazil
Has a murder rate in 2014 oh 24.6


More proof that we need to enforce our Southern border again, finally

I noticed, when checked on the Turkish murder rate, that the murder rate for the Americas is a little over 16 4 time the US rate with at least as tight gun controls as anyone. I do not think gun control has worked there.
To the direct "point" of the post, while Brazil may be predominantly Catholic I doubt that any priest praised the killer as a hero.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 1/2/2017 8:31:33 PM >


_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to BoscoX)
Profile   Post #: 52
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/2/2017 11:47:47 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
Lmfao
Bravo dipshits

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 53
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/3/2017 6:41:46 AM   
BoscoX


Posts: 11308
Joined: 12/10/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-shooting-idUSKBN14L13V

Brazil lost 11 on NY...
Christian country Brazil
Has a murder rate in 2014 oh 24.6


More proof that we need to enforce our Southern border again, finally

I noticed, when checked on the Turkish murder rate, that the murder rate for the Americas is a little over 16 4 time the US rate with at least as tight gun controls as anyone. I do not think gun control has worked there.
To the direct "point" of the post, while Brazil may be predominantly Catholic I doubt that any priest praised the killer as a hero.


Do you think spastic is racist, for pointing out that a non-white country is so extremely violent though

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 54
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/3/2017 7:01:24 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
Your contention is that muslims, non white nonchristians oh and atheists of every colour,and anyone left of george bush are against you.
How do you get thru your day?

Ahhhhhh must be waiting for the rapture.....
Lotsa crazies wait for that....apparently.


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to BoscoX)
Profile   Post #: 55
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/3/2017 7:04:57 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-shooting-idUSKBN14L13V

Brazil lost 11 on NY...
Christian country Brazil
Has a murder rate in 2014 oh 24.6


More proof that we need to enforce our Southern border again, finally

I noticed, when checked on the Turkish murder rate, that the murder rate for the Americas is a little over 16 4 time the US rate with at least as tight gun controls as anyone. I do not think gun control has worked there.
To the direct "point" of the post, while Brazil may be predominantly Catholic I doubt that any priest praised the killer as a hero.


Do you think spastic is racist, for pointing out that a non-white country is so extremely violent though

Yes tommie, you are a spastic for pointing out the extreme white on white violence in america, by your own inSanity standard.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to BoscoX)
Profile   Post #: 56
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/3/2017 7:07:12 AM   
BoscoX


Posts: 11308
Joined: 12/10/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Your contention is that muslims, non white nonchristians oh and atheists of every colour,and anyone left of george bush are against you.
How do you get thru your day?

Ahhhhhh must be waiting for the rapture.....
Lotsa crazies wait for that....apparently.



Another loon who has to build straw men

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 57
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/3/2017 7:14:58 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
Drooling numpty claims innocence....Insanity becomes him.
Considering the spastic comment, hilarious..

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to BoscoX)
Profile   Post #: 58
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/3/2017 7:19:14 AM   
BoscoX


Posts: 11308
Joined: 12/10/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Drooling numpty claims innocence....Insanity becomes him.
Considering the spastic comment, hilarious..


You've caught the nutsucker man disease

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 59
RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded - 1/3/2017 7:32:07 AM   
WhoreMods


Posts: 10691
Joined: 5/6/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
To the direct "point" of the post, while Brazil may be predominantly Catholic I doubt that any priest praised the killer as a hero.

Given that this was a tantrum over a domestic issue, rather than anything ideology driven, probably not.

If you're arguing that the only clerics who support violence are Moslems, though, I remember quite a lot of blatant and overt support for the republicans from the Catholic clergy during the troubles over here, and one of the loudest mouthpieces for the loyalists (Ian Paisely) being a Presbyterian minister.

_____________________________

On the level and looking for a square deal.

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 60
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Turkey: 39 Dead, 69 Wounded Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094