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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:12:03 PM   
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It doesn't bother you at all what they are doing in universities? Making it a hostile environment for men who want to have a education in life?

Their constant demonisation of men that reaches mainstream media?

Feminism is very much a big part of modern western society.


I think you are over-crediting a very tiny insignificant minority of women with too much power.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:14:54 PM   
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When the fuck did the body positivity movement become solely a female problem?

Men face that shit and I don't know a single feminist who denies that.

the current movement of calling men who date strong women or identify as feminists or liberal being called "cucks" or beta males- is much more damaging to your cause than us fat chicks hoping to be treated like people and taken seriously by doctors.

For the record I'm fat- my guy is 6'3" and weighs 340 lbs right now (shared with his permission mostly because he thinks you're a goddamn moron). He also wants me to express that he's been unemployed more time than not in our relationship- including when we met online 7 years ago. He admits I'm still the breadwinner and my name is the only one on our mortgage.

I have NEVER demanded someone change their standards to be with me.

I HAVE demanded my doctors assess my diet and fitness, I have demanded I be taken seriously by medical professionals and not have all my problems be weight based. I have demanded stores stock clothing in my size (cause lord knows if I went out naked I'd be asking for it). I have demanded any job I can reasonably do/hold not overlook me based on my weight. I have demanded (and you'll have problems with this but you can go to your own disgusting corner of the internet to discuss this) that people believe that rape can happen to fat people too.

Not one single thing in that paragraph is limited to females. Fuck you and your non starter of a theory. Body acceptance is for everyone- and has nothing to do with personal preferences in bed/romance. Fat people are allowed to exist and entitled to treatment the same as everyone else in professional and medical worlds.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:26:54 PM   
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Also that "whinge" you read in every BBWs profile you read is actually just a disclaimer- if you don't like fat girls, move on.

You're interpretation of it as a demand is ridiculous- rather than feel slighted because they might not fuck you even if messaged them- just move on- that's what she's really saying. Why you or any man would waste their time on a fat girl they didn't want is beyond me.

She may reject you because you don't like her body, just like you'd reject her because you don't like her body. I can't understand how you interpret her disclaimer as a demand.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:36:09 PM   
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Every time I see this ass-hat has posted, I don't have to read more than the first few words to know he's off on his usual tangent. He'd be much farther ahead ranting/whining to a therapist than sitting behind his computer going on and on about how men are so down trodden. I'd be surprised if he has one play partner, let alone 3, as he states. With his attitude toward women, I can't imagine any woman getting within a city block of him.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:40:27 PM   
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For starters, the fat acceptance movement is hazardous to our health. Why? Because it pretty much encourages people to remain unhealthy and not care about changing their ways.

Another problem with the fat acceptance movement is that we have feminists trying to ban hot women in commercials. A male is always deemed pathetic when he complains about not being accepted by women while it's given a pass for jealous fat women to have envy over any other woman who are better than them and try to have them banned from being seen. That's the very definition of being fucking pathetic.

Hot Women in Ads Banned to Please Fat Feminists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOetVDqjwVM

Just because men don't want Jabba the Hutt, they shouldn't be allowed to see hot women lol. That's feminist logic for you.

Fat women are way more accepted than fat men. That's why when you do a search on BBWs, you get thousands and thousands of results. When you do a search on BHM, it's not easy to find because appreciation for fat men is at a far lesser extent.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:44:09 PM   
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You're interpretation of it as a demand is ridiculous- rather than feel slighted because they might not fuck you even if messaged them- just move on- that's what she's really saying. Why you or any man would waste their time on a fat girl they didn't want is beyond me.

She may reject you because you don't like her body, just like you'd reject her because you don't like her body. I can't understand how you interpret her disclaimer as a demand.


I'm not demanding anything. The fact of the matter to my point is that fat women do whinge about not being accepted for their weight while on the other hand they are no less shallow themselves compared to the men who reject them.

It seems that it's okay to get cranky at standards males have while it's not okay to get cranky at standards women have.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:48:59 PM   
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I HAVE demanded my doctors assess my diet and fitness, I have demanded I be taken seriously by medical professionals and not have all my problems be weight based. I have demanded stores stock clothing in my size (cause lord knows if I went out naked I'd be asking for it). I have demanded any job I can reasonably do/hold not overlook me based on my weight. I have demanded (and you'll have problems with this but you can go to your own disgusting corner of the internet to discuss this) that people believe that rape can happen to fat people too.



I am with you on all of them, except for the clothing issue.

Stores don't provide public services, they're in business to make money.
They don't owe you squat.

Take your money to someone who is catering to your needs. They're not obligated to do so if it doesn't fit into their business model/they can't make money off it/they plainly don't want to do so.

I'm with that people shouldn't be discriminated against for what they look like (or anything else for that matter) but a store not providing clothing in your size isn't discrimination, and you have no claim to make any demands for change for them.
You're free to ask. You're free to point out to them that there's a market. You're free to point out that there's money to be made by catering to you. But they have every right to say 'no', and you've got no right to demand anything different from them if they decide to deny your request.


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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 9:58:49 PM   
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The fact of the matter to my point is that fat women do whinge about not being accepted for their weight while on the other hand they are no less shallow themselves compared to the men who reject them.

It's also a fact that White men feels all other races are inferior to them. StormFront told me so!

Seriously?

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 10:01:58 PM   
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I think you are over-crediting a very tiny insignificant minority of women with too much power.

A woman with any semblance of "power", even if they are still in the insignificant minority, is a direct threat to the whimy babyman's very existence.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 10:02:38 PM   
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So why shouldn't women demand men all look like Channing Tatum in every commercial because we want to see hotties?

I never said fat acceptance- intentionally. I said body positivity. I never said fat was healthy, intentionally. I said being fat shouldn't disqualify me from working, dressing myself, or getting an accurate medical diagnosis.


Try actually reading what I wrote. You aren't pointing out a single hypocrisy on my part. Try again. I know that's hard, cause I'm female, do your best though.

Keep calling me names, when I intentionally avoided calling you names, it's really showing how shallow you are yourself.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 10:06:42 PM   
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I HAVE demanded my doctors assess my diet and fitness, I have demanded I be taken seriously by medical professionals and not have all my problems be weight based. I have demanded stores stock clothing in my size (cause lord knows if I went out naked I'd be asking for it). I have demanded any job I can reasonably do/hold not overlook me based on my weight. I have demanded (and you'll have problems with this but you can go to your own disgusting corner of the internet to discuss this) that people believe that rape can happen to fat people too.



I am with you on all of them, except for the clothing issue.

Stores don't provide public services, they're in business to make money.
They don't owe you squat.

Take your money to someone who is catering to your needs. They're not obligated to do so if it doesn't fit into their business model/they can't make money off it/they plainly don't want to do so.

I'm with that people shouldn't be discriminated against for what they look like (or anything else for that matter) but a store not providing clothing in your size isn't discrimination, and you have no claim to make any demands for change for them.
You're free to ask. You're free to point out to them that there's a market. You're free to point out that there's money to be made by catering to you. But they have every right to say 'no', and you've got no right to demand anything different from them if they decide to deny your request.



I actually do agree with this and didn't express it well. I shop lane bryant and torrid. Just- those stores and models are allowed to exist- and those that frequent them are there. This OP would honestly rather they not exist in my eyes. I also have been told by a store clerk I wouldn't fit anything in their store when I was just there with a friend- which I think is kinda unnecessary bullshit.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/3/2017 10:31:39 PM   
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Ahh the clothes dilemma.

When I shop in Australia, I feel super happy that I fit into XS or S. Infact, I love clothes shopping in Australia.

But in my own country. I can't even fit XXL sometimes.


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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 1:49:12 AM   
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Firstly, this discussion was never about employment, fashion clothes, medical diagnosis for fat people. You are trying to turn it into that. As you are trying to legitimise the existence of it, I pretty much showed you why I think it's bad. It's hypocritical and it encourages people to keep being fat.

Fat acceptance and body positive seem very identical, maybe a little different. Body positive is still accepting that you're a fatso, therefore, do nothing about it.

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I think you are over-crediting a very tiny insignificant minority of women with too much power.


Well I find it bothersome when such loons have power to gain influence in mainstream media and universities. They have a lot more power than any average male would ever have when trying to fix male issues.



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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 5:11:34 AM   
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Rather than thinking men as a whole are shallow, most of the board seems to think that you are shallow: presumably obsessive monomania stands in the way of developing any depth of character.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 5:37:10 AM   
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Ever notice that since internet became accessible wirelessly it's more difficult to find the overlap of absent psychotic posters and random hooker murders?

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 6:24:15 AM   
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This bullshit right here is your entire problem. You horrid little piece of nonsense. You dare to bang on about woman when you pull crap like that. You spineless, weak, pathetic, shallow excuse of a male.

You dare to say anything about women after admitting to deliberately joining groups with larger women just to troll them. It doesn't cross your tiny mind that these woman write what they do as a form of self preservation against dickheads like you. I've been slim, and I've been heavier than I am now, but that does not mean that I also have to find heavy men a turn on. I don't, just as I don't find men shorter than myself a turn on, no matter how good looking they may be. It's about personal preference, however, it doesn't give you the right to be a dick about it.

ALL people are shallow to an extent. We all instantly know whether we find someone initially attractive, or not. Sometimes personality can make a plainer person outstanding, or the most gorgeous person a turn off. We all judge on an instant, and take it from there.

No-one said you had to make it your life mission to be a cunt about it as though you are somehow better than the people you are bitching at. You are far worse than any of them.

There is nothing so ugly as what someone speaks.

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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 6:36:58 AM   
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A woman can be unemployed, have a ton of kids, be overly fat, live with her parents, yet still be accepted by men and have a string of men after her.



So can a man.

Do you have a point or are you just diarrheic?
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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 6:45:05 AM   
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Fat acceptance and body positive seem very identical, maybe a little different. Body positive is still accepting that you're a fatso, therefore, do nothing about it.

First of all. When I was in South Africa seeing the native African women, who are like seriously looks like 300kgs to me, not 300lbs, but 300kgs, seriously wide and extremely huge, they are like obesity levels I only see on TV, but they are so fit! They walk full marathon distances every single day. 20km to their destination from their huts made from muds and rocks, and then back. While balancing alot of shit on their head, so they carry weight too. To me, they WORK OUT so hard! Everyday! Yet they are like some of the most obese women I ever seen in my life. They live so poor. Their houses are seriously mud and rocks, like real mud and rocks huts.

So when assholes like you fat shame people. I think of these poor women, who work out harder than most ordinary naturally skinny women, in my country is filled with them, who can eat MacDonalds everyday, and be 100lbs all their life, but are they healthy? No, usually skinny fat and health check ups shows high cholesterol levels, compared to those African women who worked so hard, so much hard labour, but could never be slim a day in their life. They certainly are super poor too so they don't have the luxury of having unlimited food.

My own father is 6ft and only 167lbs. He is slim and looks good for his age of 65. Flat belly too. But his internal health is TERRIBLE. From high blood pressure and high cholesterol. They are all at alarming levels. No health insurance will cover him. His diet is practically pizza and deep fried chicken and coke. But he has never been fat a day in his life. Zero exercise person too. So it is my experience and absolute certainty that people can be overweight and healthier than skinny people. I've in my life seen too many examples.

This is the most cruel statement people keep making. I mean, I am overweight, but my last health check 1 month ago, perfect health, I work out alot and I will never be skinny, but I know I am healthier than alot of skinny folks. My lil bro who is 13% fat and ripped with 6 packs. Has severe High Blood Pressure. It means fucking nothing! The weight!

On top of this, I remembered you complaining about women not loving male versions of BBW. BBM I think? I always said I fucking love BBMs, and love men with meat on their bones. LOVE IT. Lust over them Like crazy! I literally only want men above 250lbs.

So why are you okay with BBMs but not okay with BBWs enjoying their own unique beauty that does appeal to a certain group of males anyway.

And the ones who blames men for not liking overweight are minority and insignificant. Most BBWs know their crowd, and keep to men who loves BBWs. They wouldn't bother with men who likes slim women, because it's not their crowd.

I mean the fact that the fattest woman in the world, got a marriage proposal from a man who divorced her for losing weight later, tells you, there is a group of men out there who truly loves glorious sizes in women and find it extremely attractive. It may not be you. But different strokes for different folks. Just like I don't find skinny men attractive, because, I like male bodies Big and huge and powerful and strong like a thick tree trunk. Those olympic high fat content body builders are attractive to me. Sumo Wrestlers are attractive to me.


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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 6:53:01 AM   
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I'm simply claiming that men are more likely to see the opposite gender as people first before what job they have, what car they have, what house they have, etc


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RE: You think men are shallow? - 1/4/2017 7:02:20 AM   
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I'm shallow.
I also know my value.
My guess is not everyone lives up to their own standards.
I live up to mine.
Do you?

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