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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Suffering is a part of life, and we may wonder why, but the question I struggle with is why every thread that touches on a higher power or intelligence ends up infested with people who want to make the Christian God the topic so they can vent their spleen at him for not gifting us with a padded playpen.

K.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

In my post #157 I clearly named the Christian God as the subject of my remarks.
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Crimes have been committed. The Christian God is a serial killer and a mass murderer. That is the indictment. Unfortunately, assembling a jury of his peers is problematic. [:)]

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I must admit DC... I struggle with the same.

Butch

Me too. Believe me.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Suffering is a part of life, and we may wonder why, but the question I struggle with is why every thread that touches on a higher power or intelligence ends up infested with people who want to make the Christian God the topic so they can vent their spleen at him for not gifting us with a padded playpen.

K.

well what I see as the irony of ironies:

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

In my post #157 I clearly named the Christian God as the subject of my remarks.
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Crimes have been committed. The Christian God is a serial killer and a mass murderer. That is the indictment. Unfortunately, assembling a jury of his peers is problematic. [:)]

claiming the Christian God is a criminal serial killer. my jaw hit the floor with laughter. I'd wait for an explanation but his usual mo is simply to disappear frojm the thread.

Maybe you have a comment this but I havent been able to stop laughing for a multitude of reasons. [8D]

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.

That's why it's better to talk about one God at a time.
Otherwise you can just pick and choose whatever assumptions suit your argument best.

Well, the earlier argument was that a point was inherently true, not an assumption, and my point in entering the conversation was to illustrate that indeed, it was an assumption.

I'm pretty sure that vince was speaking hypothetically.
In a scenario where the Christian God is real, it is true that God is a mass murderer.

But I suppose different people have different ideas of what it means to be omnipotent, omniscient, etc... but you would need to define what you mean when you say 'God' before you could discuss it.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Suffering is a part of life, and we may wonder why, but the question I struggle with is why every thread that touches on a higher power or intelligence ends up infested with people who want to make the Christian God the topic so they can vent their spleen at him for not gifting us with a padded playpen.

K.

well what I see as the irony of ironies:

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

In my post #157 I clearly named the Christian God as the subject of my remarks.
[snip]
Crimes have been committed. The Christian God is a serial killer and a mass murderer. That is the indictment. Unfortunately, assembling a jury of his peers is problematic. [:)]

claiming the Christian God is a criminal serial killer. my jaw hit the floor with laughter. I'd wait for an explanation but his usual mo is simply to disappear frojm the thread.

Maybe you have a comment this but I havent been able to stop laughing for a multitude of reasons. [8D]

Nope, I am still here. I find this topic endlessly interesting.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Suffering is a part of life, and we may wonder why, but the question I struggle with is why every thread that touches on a higher power or intelligence ends up infested with people who want to make the Christian God the topic so they can vent their spleen at him for not gifting us with a padded playpen.

K.

well what I see as the irony of ironies:

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

In my post #157 I clearly named the Christian God as the subject of my remarks.
[snip]
Crimes have been committed. The Christian God is a serial killer and a mass murderer. That is the indictment. Unfortunately, assembling a jury of his peers is problematic. [:)]

claiming the Christian God is a criminal serial killer. my jaw hit the floor with laughter. I'd wait for an explanation but his usual mo is simply to disappear frojm the thread.

Maybe you have a comment this but I havent been able to stop laughing for a multitude of reasons. [8D]

Nope, I am still here. I find this topic endlessly interesting.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.

I suspect the problem of theodicy is much harder to wrestle with in the Abrahamic faiths, where God is often hailed as being responsible for everything. In a framework where folks sincerely say, "God saved my Mom from cancer" or "The doctors said I'd never get pregnant, but God sent me a baby," it's not surprising that folks would also ask "Why did God take our toddler?" or "Why is Dad dying by degrees as the ALS rages?"

you always get some one using a quote from a dilbrain off the street that cant even spell God, as a disingenuous representation of a religious position.

God does everything, people suffer and die therefore God is a criminal, Vince really went over the top on that one.

Why dont these people bring in theology or philosophy and take one step out of the mud for mankind

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Well God may seem as a serial killer to some people just like abortion seems like murder to some people. It's a matter of perspective, which if God is real, His perspective is probably a bit broader than any of ours.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Suffering is a part of life, and we may wonder why, but the question I struggle with is why every thread that touches on a higher power or intelligence ends up infested with people who want to make the Christian God the topic so they can vent their spleen at him for not gifting us with a padded playpen.

K.

well what I see as the irony of ironies:

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

In my post #157 I clearly named the Christian God as the subject of my remarks.
[snip]
Crimes have been committed. The Christian God is a serial killer and a mass murderer. That is the indictment. Unfortunately, assembling a jury of his peers is problematic. [:)]

claiming the Christian God is a criminal serial killer. my jaw hit the floor with laughter. I'd wait for an explanation but his usual mo is simply to disappear frojm the thread.

Maybe you have a comment this but I havent been able to stop laughing for a multitude of reasons. [8D]

Nope, I am still here. I find this topic endlessly interesting.

great then you wont mind proving that God is a murder and criminal.

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I dpont know abou tthat, you made him do a 180, now he has to prove the God exists that he is claiming does not exist to prove his criminal charges. Me, I wouldnt call that a waste of time but time to gt the popcorn and beer and sit back for the show!

Why would anyone have to prove that God exists in order to discuss it?
Do you have to prove that Spiderman exists before you can talk about Spiderman?

try again, vince accused God of 'committing a crime', that was a pretty lame strawman, wanna try again?

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Well God may seem as a serial killer to some people just like abortion seems like murder to some people. It's a matter of perspective, which if God is real, His perspective is probably a bit broader than any of ours.

Right. God's will be done. [8|]

People are killed everyday by nature. God, we are told in the West, created Nature. Ergo . . . .

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

From Wiki . .

The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.[2][12][14][note 1] The problem may be described either experientially or theoretically.[2] The experiential problem is the difficulty in believing in a concept of loving God when confronted by suffering or evil in the real world, such as from epidemics, or wars, or murder, or rape or terror attacks wherein innocent children, women, men or a loved one becomes a victim.[17][18][19] The problem of evil is also a theoretical one, usually described and studied by religion scholars in two varieties: the logical problem and the evidential problem.[2]

Human suffering takes place at the hands of Nature and at the hands of other humans. The latter raised the issue of free will and responsibility; I presented a very narrow Brief in order to avoid the issue of free will. Only an omnipotent and merciless Christian God could rain volcanic ash and lava down upon innocent infants. (Not to ignore Yahweh, who was a nasty and irascible old fellow.) I further limited my Brief to the experiential component, not the theoretical. MM and Kirata have tried to expand my comments. they are the parents of straw men in this thread.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Last chance, 'QUOTE' where it says or implies God 'does' everything.

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John 1:3

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
It's true that you specified the Christian God, but it is not true that MM expanded the discussion. Rather, it's a case of you trying to narrow and divert it.