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Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help?


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Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 9:09:39 AM   
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Here is an update on the latest article. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38542415

Donald Trump blasts 'fools' who oppose good Russian ties. – erm they totally manipulated America – Fiddled? Ooo this clip

US President-elect Donald Trump has posted a series of tweets condemning those who oppose good relations with Russia as "'stupid' people, or fools".

Mr Trump vowed to work with Russia "to solve some of the many... pressing problems and issues of the WORLD!"

His comments came after an intelligence report said Russia's president had tried to aid a Trump election victory.

Mr Trump said Democrats were to blame for "gross negligence" in allowing their servers to be hacked.

In a series of tweets on Saturday, Mr Trump said that having a good relationship with Russia was "no bad thing" and that "only 'stupid' people, or fools, would think that it is bad!"

He added that Russia would respect the US more when he was president.



Do all Americans feel this way, or everyone who voted for him? Perhaps i totally underestimate how little America cares for its own democratic process and conclude its only a matter of time before Russian is your first language.
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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 9:20:47 AM   
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sorry WD< all things trump are now considered ignorable....
instead the forum must be full of misogynist posts or religious crusades, or people looking like muslims.
the state of the country for the next year isnt important.
unless it can be blamed on obama, hillary or emails.


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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 9:22:09 AM   
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Or Benghazi. I'm assuming it's still acceptable to whine about that?

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 9:34:17 AM   
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not so much since trump wants to move an embassy to jerusalem, if they dont, theres move afoot to cut embassy security worldwide..

A TRIO OF GOP senators have introduced legislation that would cut security, construction, and maintenance funds for U.S. embassies around the world in half until the president moves the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

In 1995, Congress passed a law requiring the federal government to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama all campaigned on relocating the embassy and executing this law. But once in office, every one of them invoked a waiver in the law that allows them to hold off on the move if they deem it necessary to the national security interests of the United States to do so.

Moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem would be seen as a green light to some Israeli government officials, such as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who seek to make Jerusalem the undivided capital of the state of Israel. That, in turn, would preclude the Palestinians from establishing a state that includes East Jerusalem. Most international observers believe that this would render the two-state solution impossible and thus be damaging to peace.

The pattern has been for candidates to campaign on the pledge, which is strongly sought by pro-Israel activists who are influential during election season, but drop it once they reach the Oval Office. While campaigning for president, Donald Trump initially wouldn’t commit to moving the embassy — but by the end of the campaign cycle placed himself fully behind the relocation to Jerusalem.

Because history suggests he might change his mind, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, and Nevada Sen. Dean Heller introduced the new legislation, which would include real — and dangerous — consequences for U.S. diplomatic staff if Trump refuses to quickly relocate the embassy. The bill would immediately cut in half funding for embassy security, construction, and maintenance until the relocation occurs. In fiscal years 2018 and 2019, it would cut off all security, construction, and maintenance funding worldwide except for the embassy in Tel Aviv until it is relocated.

Ironically, Cruz and Rubio loudly attacked the Obama administration for failing to properly secure the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, where four Americans including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens were slain in a terrorist attack on September 11, 2012.

Eight months after the attack, Cruz wrote in the National Review: “Our brave men and women who continue to put their lives on the line every day in similar, dangerous situations deserve to know we are doing everything possible not only to protect them in the event of a terrorist attack, but also to deter these attacks from happening again. Better late than never.”

In the summer of 2016, Rubio lamented in a Breitbart post that “leadership was sadly lacking in this case and resulted in disaster” and called on the government to properly secure diplomats in the future.

“It is my hope that this report serves as a reminder of the importance of allocating the appropriate resources to keep all Americans safe, both at home and around the world,” he wrote. “Congress and the Executive Branch need to work together to do everything possible to make sure something like this does not happen again.”

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/senators-threaten-to-cut-worldwide-embassy-security-if-u-s-doesnt-move-its-israeli-embassy-to-jerusalem/


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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 9:43:11 AM   
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Benghazi was that the one they made the film about - it was utter shit i cannot actually recall a thing about it and had to googlers its name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Hours:_The_Secret_Soldiers_of_Benghazi The film's historical accuracy has been disputed.

The one called Trump does worry me more than a tad. These Americans truly are a down trodden people of utter woe...WM and wifey no2 any you catching the 30 years declassified Thatcher waffle..id thread that but that down trodden race inhabits a fish bowl paid for by the fair people of Mexico. id actually compare Trump to bad maggie - but he has half her brains/IQ and his spokmen is running their wreck of a nationthrough his twitter account 0- hell I was tempted to join the twitters just for him - remember WM there is only so much you can type online so best I not join as I cant help myself at times.

So anyone on twitter that is prepared to ask the nutter questions for me....can you actually comment on someones tweets or is it just an endlessness stream of arse spraying mayhem that shows up on your feed.

oh wifey2 you know i can scarcely be arsed with religion and are all darkies terrorists. And send my best regards to the other.

My first question would be....hell that make a good thread

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 9:48:30 AM   
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Trump Says Only Fools See Good Relationship With Russia as Bad

And bitter, angry psychotic little losers perhaps



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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 10:06:05 AM   
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Nooo Boscox! Bad boscoX! actually I really don’t get that meme and it’s a bit shit and where does his pussy grabbing paws claws come into it?

Wifey number 2 sent me this earlier -
http://distractify.com/trending/2017/01/04/kitty-pinups


Camarada lunatico Trump deberia estar babeando como perro rabioso!

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/7/2017 8:16:52 PM   
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quote:

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Or Benghazi. I'm assuming it's still acceptable to whine about that?

Pointing out that her incompetency isn't whining.
And when she and Obama tried to blame it on a video that didn't help.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 3:14:36 AM   
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It's pretty much impossible to say what would have happened... but I think probably not.
Trump won by flipping the rust belt... and that didn't happen because of the emails.

There's a lot of denial about what Trump really represents, distrust of the media (the journalists, not necessarily the people they cover)... and the shock factor of Trump's ugliness caught a lot of people off-guard, to the point where they knew he was something different and thought that they wanted a change without really considering what kind of change it would be. A corrupt establishment is somehow more offensive to certain people than a corrupt billionaire who doesn't understand anything.

Low voter turnout has also traditionally boosted the chances of a Republican winning. A lot of people who would have voted for Hillary were just so disgusted and worn down by the whole campaign that they just said 'fuck it' and stayed home. When you see someone like Trump being promoted by a major political party, you know you've reached the point where there is something seriously wrong with the political system, and it can make you feel pretty hopeless. The worst part is realizing that there are people who actually believe he deserves to be anywhere near a position of power... it's like watching the collapse of your civilization-- you lose the will to fight and just want to pretend it doesn't exist.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 3:27:16 AM   
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you mean would Trump have won if that truth had not been exposed?
There is enough stink on Hillary cunt that I could have run my dog against her and won.
The Clintons are dead and gone, but watch out for bo. The stink of his shit will linger for years.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 6:10:18 AM   
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quote:

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Or Benghazi. I'm assuming it's still acceptable to whine about that?

Pointing out that her incompetency isn't whining.
And when she and Obama tried to blame it on a video that didn't help.

Because, of course, the Trumptooners are all about competency and people who have some sort of idea what they're doing: that's why they elected a man who can't run a casino without bankrupting it.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 6:57:43 AM   
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Remember what I have said on here before.
'For all practical purposes ,half of the population of this country by definition is of below average intelligence.
If you can appeal to them, you are golden.'
Combine that with the love affair Americans have with 'reality TV' which has zero in common with reality.
Combine all the above with a truly unlikable candidate who happens to be a strong female and you have a perfect storm where a TV and print media personality like Trump can win the office.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 7:15:02 AM   
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I know that, you know that, but I don't think BamaD (or most of our other Trumptooners, come to that) can get their heads around the notion.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 7:29:34 AM   
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'For all practical purposes ,half of the population of this country by definition is of below average intelligence.
If you can appeal to them, you are golden.'


The problem with making these sorts of arguments with RWNJs is you're only going to get the 'I know you are but what am I' routine.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 7:35:50 AM   
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Fair enough assessment HW

I dont think he would have. I said if he wanted to win the election he would need to kick her whilst she was down - which is what his rhetoric slobberings were doing in conjunction with the right wing press - those idiots being controlled fiddled by Moscow. Mix in the sheople HW post and you had the perfect shit storm.

Still, who knew the hatred that existed in America - it exits in all countries, but rarely like that, the sheer viciousness of it all I only truly understand the last 1-2 years

Fiddle clip ;) Violin or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgg_JM9BDCE

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 9:15:02 AM   
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I have some sympathy for Putin's perspective on the USA.

He does not want Western interests whipping up populism in Ukraine, Georgia, or other neighboring countries.

US interventions in Afghanistan under Reagan, in IRAQ under Bush, and meddling in IRAN under the Shah caused more instability and misery than peace and prosperity.

Order is the precursor to liberty and economic prosperity. Authoritarian nationalism is better than chaos.

Finally, the US has little problem working with dictatorial regimes in the name of its own national interests -- so why not work with Russia and stay away from trying to influence its neighbors.

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The real damage Putin has done to the USA - if any - is the spread of fake news and the use of trolls to undermine everyone's idea / grasp of truth and reality. When Facebook users see no difference between the New York Times, Breitbart News, Fox News, and slobgobbing political blogs -- Russia has won -- because then information can always be manipulated for political gains.

Fake news, unfairly maligning political figures like Hillary Clinton, and the promotion of agenda driven political unrealities is bad news for Democracies.

In the US we have Global Warming is a Chinese hoax, Guns make people safer, trickle-down economic nonsense, Obama is a socialist, Voter ID laws, Hillary is a child sex supporter, Hillary cheated in the primaries, Obamacare will hurt the US economy, Hillary started the birther movement, -- and the man who did start the birther movement becomes President of the USA.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 9:39:26 AM   
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I have some sympathy for Putin's perspective on the USA.

He does not want Western interests whipping up populism in Ukraine, Georgia, or other neighboring countries.


Red herring, nothing to do with reality

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US interventions in Afghanistan under Reagan, in IRAQ under Bush, and meddling in IRAN under the Shah caused more instability and misery than peace and prosperity.


You don't think Muslim bomb-throwers in those places have anything to do with their current situations? And omitting Carter only shows that you have no intellectual honesty whatsoever

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Order is the precursor to liberty and economic prosperity. Authoritarian nationalism is better than chaos.


Authoritarians have often seized total control and kept entire nations enslaved, powerless to affect change

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Finally, the US has little problem working with dictatorial regimes in the name of its own national interests -- so why not work with Russia and stay away from trying to influence its neighbors.


Because TRUMUUUUMMMMPPPP!!!!

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The real damage Putin has done to the USA - if any - is the spread of fake news and the use of trolls to undermine everyone's idea / grasp of truth and reality. When Facebook users see no difference between the New York Times, Breitbart News, Fox News, and slobgobbing political blogs -- Russia has won -- because then information can always be manipulated for political gains.

Fake news, unfairly maligning political figures like Hillary Clinton, and the promotion of agenda driven political unrealities is bad news for Democracies.


The Internet, Facebook etc, is how the population gets AROUND those "news outlets" who have been pushing fake alt left narratives for generations

Hillary and Co would like nothing more than ending the free flow of information. Well, that and to keep having her alt left media friends hand her debate questions ahead of time - which we only found out about through Wikileaks (duh bad bad rushins)

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 9:46:54 AM   
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quote:

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Fake news, unfairly maligning political figures like Hillary Clinton, and the promotion of agenda driven political unrealities is bad news for Democracies.

In the US we have Global Warming is a Chinese hoax, Guns make people safer, trickle-down economic nonsense, Obama is a socialist, Voter ID laws, Hillary is a child sex supporter, Hillary cheated in the primaries, Obamacare will hurt the US economy, Hillary started the birther movement, -- and the man who did start the birther movement becomes President of the USA.


Uh huh

Nice edit

End the free flow of information. Have an alt left ministry of truth dictate what is acceptable news, and what must be censored

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 9:53:13 AM   
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7 yes V 3 no. I will never understand you Americans will I...
Putin requires your American dollars - dont make me type this again on these forums cloudboy Open your mind even just a little bit.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 10:17:58 AM   
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An overlooked problem is the successful "progressive" agenda of the " dumbing down" of America to the point where we are literally turning out idiots at graduation and pay the highest wages in the world to do it.
Then they take the stupidity that they produced through high school and add hate to it in our colleges.
Then we wonder why people can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie. They have been taught their whole lives that "truth is relative" that there is no such thing as truth.

I still have to laugh. you all can bitch all you want but it means nothing. It just doesn't matter.
NO ONE has yet to even whisper the words "national debt".
That's because those that do know the truth are busy liquidating assets to gold or other areas that they think will survive the bankruptcy of the US. They won't.
If you open your eyes and look objectively , you will see that the world is indeed ending.

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