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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 10:24:50 AM   
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Dont look at me klmpong I actually know the difference between budget deficit & national debt...One is a Huge void in both our lands, the other is far bigger.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 10:50:30 AM   
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Or Benghazi. I'm assuming it's still acceptable to whine about that?

Pointing out that her incompetency isn't whining.
And when she and Obama tried to blame it on a video that didn't help.

nutsucker welfare patients, who are imbeciles, and lying repeatedly thru self imposed retardation, such as yourself, should take your RIF and welfare check, and be seen and not heard. She never said that, as st. Wrinklemeat says, "Facts are stupid things".

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 11:30:46 AM   
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White House fails to make case that Russian hackers tampered with election

Talk about disappointments. The US government's much-anticipated analysis of Russian-sponsored hacking operations provides almost none of the promised evidence linking them to breaches that the Obama administration claims were orchestrated in an attempt to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

The 13-page report, which was jointly published Thursday by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI, billed itself as an indictment of sorts that would finally lay out the intelligence community's case that Russian government operatives carried out hacks . . . Many independent security experts said there was little way to know the true origins of the attacks.

Sadly, the JAR, as the Joint Analysis Report is called, does little to end the debate. Instead of providing smoking guns that the Russian government was behind specific hacks, it largely restates previous private-sector claims without providing any support for their validity.


U.S. intelligence report doesn't say whether Russian hacking helped elect Donald Trump

Although a blockbuster new U.S. intelligence report concludes that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Donald Trump win the presidency, it didn’t weigh in on whether Moscow’s covert cyberhacks and other activities made a difference in Trump’s upset victory over Hillary Clinton.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 5:21:20 PM   
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I think the dems are just being sore losers at the moment.

Let's face it. If they had chose Bernie, EVEN if the Russian hacked, there would be no problems.

The dems themselves disrespected democracy by pushing for Hillary win. They manupilated within their party for Hillary to win their party's nomination. So they deserve every bit they get. Many Bernie Sanders supporters went to Trump or Jill Stein instead.

And let's face it, they know that, the reason why they lost is, Hillary denigrated the concerns of the working class. She made them feel like she didn't give a damn about their plight.

Trump gave hope to these people who traditionally wouldn't even bother coming out to vote but came out to vote for him. She failed to inspire anybody but people who just want a female President for the sake of a Female President, or just because she appear to be the more comported of the two candidates.

She had a very good chance, she blew it.

Stop blaming this on the hacks.



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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/8/2017 5:29:17 PM   
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...The intelligence community, including leaders of the FBI and CIA, is pushing the Russian hacking narrative in unscrupulous ways.

Consider that the same media organizations that led the campaign assault on Trump were leaked details of the hacking report before Trump saw it.

The leaks came after Trump expressed doubts about Russia’s role and any election impact. Lest the rookie miss the message, Chuck Schumer, the Dems’ man in the Senate, made like a Soprano in a TV interview: “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

Going public with classified information, which the leakers did, is a crime, but these days it’s acceptable if it serves the left’s political purpose.

Is Schumer suggesting CIA analysts would stay silent about a terrorist plot? Would they feed Trump misinformation to get back at him?

Going public with classified information, which the leakers did, is a crime, but these days it’s acceptable if it serves the left’s political purpose.

As for the report itself, there’s not much there there, at least in the version made public. It is full of assertions that Vladimir Putin wanted to hurt Clinton and help Trump, but zero evidence is offered. I repeat: zero evidence.

Instead, the 25-page document serves up a dog’s stew of innuendo and anecdotes. Examples include that Russian television operating in America said nice things about Occupy Wall Street.

Well, so did President Obama and half the Democratic Party. Is Obama a Russian agent?

Another silly example is that Russian TV runs lots of anti-fracking reports. Well, Gov. Cuomo also opposes fracking. The report cites the fact that Russian TV anchors are required to have social-media accounts as proof of Putin’s evil intent.

Here’s a fact that really matters and it’s not in the report: The FBI concluded that Russians hacked the Democratic National Committee without ever inspecting its computers. The gumshoes say the DNC balked, but party leaders say the FBI never asked. In the end, it let a private firm search the computers for evidence.

None of this is normal. And it’s no excuse that Trump himself often veers outside the lines. He won the election fair and square, period.

Then again, some Democrats can’t bring themselves to admit that. Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader, was spitting fire after she was briefed on the classified report.

Asked if she believed hacking cost Clinton the election, Pelosi declared to reporters: “You were accomplices in this. Every single day you reported there was an e-mail that was embarrassing to the Clinton operation, without saying we know this because of a disruption by a foreign power of our election system. You knew that.”

Wow, so journalists are “accomplices” when they report embarrassing news. Nothing could be more Putin-like than her view of the media’s job.

To be clear, it may be true that Putin ordered that the e-mails of John Podesta and the DNC be stolen and given to WikiLeaks. But officials also admit that Russia hacked our government and industries for years and always pushes negative propaganda about America, including during the 2012 campaign.

So why the sudden DefCon outrage, especially when the intelligence report concludes there was no attempt to change vote tallies?

The furor amounts to sounding five alarms for a dumpster fire. It’s a dumb overreaction, or part of the effort to thwart a president the establishment doesn’t want. Either way, intelligence leaders are proving they are part of the swamp that must be drained.

By all means, America needs better cybersecurity and a retaliation policy to act as a deterrent. The current president has no interest in the issue, so perhaps we’ll get better policies when we get a new president. Assuming, of course, the man who won the election actually makes it to the Oval Office.

http://nypost.com/2017/01/08/democrats-wage-anti-trump-offensive-for-their-own-gain/


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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 6:28:52 AM   
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well, when the nutsuckers felched Putin, Assange, Snowden, then they masturbated over the leaks.

now even trump admits there was russian hacking and he is the puppet of Putin.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 2:08:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I think the dems are just being sore losers at the moment.




If you weren't so fucking stupid, you'd know that it was REPUBLICAN Senators that are bringing it to the forefront.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 2:37:41 PM   
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This whole "Russian hacking" issue cracks me up.
Hillary was APPALLED that Trump said he may not trust the results of the election. Had she won could we have blamed Arab hacking?
Yet if I am appalled with this whole mess I am a racist, misogynistic, hating bigot.
Get over it everyone. Trump will be the next president. And if he's not your then feel free to leave.
I didn't like the outgoing president and still don't. But I did the best I could while he has been around.
Something the left hates to admit is that Hillary was in fact about the only person in this country that could lose the election.

Suck it up buttercups.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 3:00:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I think the dems are just being sore losers at the moment.


If you weren't so fucking stupid, you'd know that it was REPUBLICAN Senators that are bringing it to the forefront.


WTF is the matter with you

It was an alt left idiot who started the thread and its you alt left idiots who have lost your fucking minds about Trump kicking the shit out of your Wall Street whore

Saying its "the Republicans" is just stupid. They are willing to look into rumors of a possible Russian connection to Wikileaks, but all that proves is that they don't march in lockstep like you goose-stepping Stalinist bitches do

Hoorah to them for that, too

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 3:15:38 PM   
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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 3:19:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I think the dems are just being sore losers at the moment.


If you weren't so fucking stupid, you'd know that it was REPUBLICAN Senators that are bringing it to the forefront.


WTF is the matter with you

It was an alt left idiot who started the thread and its you alt left idiots who have lost your fucking minds about Trump kicking the shit out of your Wall Street whore

Saying its "the Republicans" is just stupid. They are willing to look into rumors of a possible Russian connection to Wikileaks, but all that proves is that they don't march in lockstep like you goose-stepping Stalinist bitches do

Hoorah to them for that, too

http://www.newsweek.com/mccain-graham-trump-accept-intelligence-russian-hacking-540104
Here ya go Comrade dumbass.

Too much vodka today?

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 3:37:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I think the dems are just being sore losers at the moment.


If you weren't so fucking stupid, you'd know that it was REPUBLICAN Senators that are bringing it to the forefront.


WTF is the matter with you

It was an alt left idiot who started the thread and its you alt left idiots who have lost your fucking minds about Trump kicking the shit out of your Wall Street whore

Saying its "the Republicans" is just stupid. They are willing to look into rumors of a possible Russian connection to Wikileaks, but all that proves is that they don't march in lockstep like you goose-stepping Stalinist bitches do

Hoorah to them for that, too

http://www.newsweek.com/mccain-graham-trump-accept-intelligence-russian-hacking-540104
Here ya go Comrade dumbass.

Too much vodka today?


Thats not what you claimed, idiot.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 6:53:29 PM   
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A federal week in review, 7 January 2017:
1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day.
2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee's salary to $1, effectively firing them by amendment to any piece of legislation. We now know why they wanted names and positions of people in Energy and State.
3. Senate schedules 6 simultaneous hearings on cabinet nominees and triple-books those hearings with Trump's first press conference in months and an ACA budget vote, effectively preventing any concentrated coverage or protest.
4. House GOP expressly forbids the Congressional Budget Office from reporting or tracking ANY costs related to the repeal of the ACA.
5. Trump continues to throw the intelligence community under the bus to protect Putin, despite the growing mountain of evidence that the Russians deliberately interfered in our election.
6. Trump breaks a central campaign promise to make Mexico pay for the wall by asking Congress (in other words, us, the taxpayers) to pay for it.
7. Trump threatens Toyota over a new plant that was never coming to the US nor will take jobs out of the US.
8. House passes the REINS act, giving them veto power over any rules enacted by any federal agency or department--for example, FDA or EPA bans a drug or pesticide, Congress can overrule based on lobbyists not science. Don't like that endangered species designation, Congress kills it.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/9/2017 6:59:46 PM   
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Dictatorships are easier to run than democracies.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/10/2017 3:52:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I think the dems are just being sore losers at the moment.


If you weren't so fucking stupid, you'd know that it was REPUBLICAN Senators that are bringing it to the forefront.


WTF is the matter with you

It was an alt left idiot who started the thread and its you alt left idiots who have lost your fucking minds about Trump kicking the shit out of your Wall Street whore

Saying its "the Republicans" is just stupid. They are willing to look into rumors of a possible Russian connection to Wikileaks, but all that proves is that they don't march in lockstep like you goose-stepping Stalinist bitches do

Hoorah to them for that, too

http://www.newsweek.com/mccain-graham-trump-accept-intelligence-russian-hacking-540104
Here ya go Comrade dumbass.

Too much vodka today?


Thats not what you claimed, idiot.

I claimed REPUBLICAN Senators.
Then I showed REPUBLiCAN Senators.
Too much Vodka Comrade?

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/10/2017 4:37:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

A federal week in review, 7 January 2017:
1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day.
2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee's salary to $1, effectively firing them by amendment to any piece of legislation. We now know why they wanted names and positions of people in Energy and State.
3. Senate schedules 6 simultaneous hearings on cabinet nominees and triple-books those hearings with Trump's first press conference in months and an ACA budget vote, effectively preventing any concentrated coverage or protest.
4. House GOP expressly forbids the Congressional Budget Office from reporting or tracking ANY costs related to the repeal of the ACA.
5. Trump continues to throw the intelligence community under the bus to protect Putin, despite the growing mountain of evidence that the Russians deliberately interfered in our election.
6. Trump breaks a central campaign promise to make Mexico pay for the wall by asking Congress (in other words, us, the taxpayers) to pay for it.
7. Trump threatens Toyota over a new plant that was never coming to the US nor will take jobs out of the US.
8. House passes the REINS act, giving them veto power over any rules enacted by any federal agency or department--for example, FDA or EPA bans a drug or pesticide, Congress can overrule based on lobbyists not science. Don't like that endangered species designation, Congress kills it.


A lot of hyperpartisan fake news there, a lot of things losers like you just have to deal with after having your extremist third-world el presidente Obama acting like a dictator for eight years toppled in a populist uprising

As for the wall, or the extremely popular proposal of enforcing our immigration laws again, President Trump never said the Mexicans would pay for it directly so that's just a lot of wild-eyed nothing. President Trump has kept jobs here that Obama policies were shipping to Mexico, that alone will pay for a lot of the wall. More reasonable people than you will wait and see what else President Trump has up his sleeves before passing judgement

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/10/2017 8:54:45 PM   
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Uh-huh. Sure.

Look, there's no need for tap-dancing. Likely Trump would still have won.

But that Russia tried to interfere and is just winked at should be a concern. For both reasons.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 4:38:34 AM   
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Still, at least it's proven that all of this stuff the Republicans spout about defending American autonomy from the threat of globalisation, foreign imperialism, economic warfare, Russia invading the 'States through Alaska and whatever else is a load of bullshit and that they don't have a problem with the threat of any such thing unless there's a Democrat in the White House.
(Whether this being proven once and for all is worth four years of a Max Brodman cartoon running the country is another matter, of course.)

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 4:54:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

A federal week in review, 7 January 2017:
1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day.
2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee's salary to $1, effectively firing them by amendment to any piece of legislation. We now know why they wanted names and positions of people in Energy and State.
3. Senate schedules 6 simultaneous hearings on cabinet nominees and triple-books those hearings with Trump's first press conference in months and an ACA budget vote, effectively preventing any concentrated coverage or protest.
4. House GOP expressly forbids the Congressional Budget Office from reporting or tracking ANY costs related to the repeal of the ACA.
5. Trump continues to throw the intelligence community under the bus to protect Putin, despite the growing mountain of evidence that the Russians deliberately interfered in our election.
6. Trump breaks a central campaign promise to make Mexico pay for the wall by asking Congress (in other words, us, the taxpayers) to pay for it.
7. Trump threatens Toyota over a new plant that was never coming to the US nor will take jobs out of the US.
8. House passes the REINS act, giving them veto power over any rules enacted by any federal agency or department--for example, FDA or EPA bans a drug or pesticide, Congress can overrule based on lobbyists not science. Don't like that endangered species designation, Congress kills it.


A lot of hyperpartisan fake news there, a lot of things losers like you just have to deal with after having your extremist third-world el presidente Obama acting like a dictator for eight years toppled in a populist uprising

As for the wall, or the extremely popular proposal of enforcing our immigration laws again, President Trump never said the Mexicans would pay for it directly so that's just a lot of wild-eyed nothing. President Trump has kept jobs here that Obama policies were shipping to Mexico, that alone will pay for a lot of the wall. More reasonable people than you will wait and see what else President Trump has up his sleeves before passing judgement



He isnt and never will be my "president" in any sense of the word..
keep calling fake, its too funny
bless your heart


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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 1:33:01 PM   
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Yeah, the criterion for "fake" seems to be "do I want this to be true or not"?

Little snowflakes of pretend truth.

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