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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 2:06:02 PM   
MercTech


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Status: offline 		Trump might not have won if it weren't for the DNC doing very toxic manipulations. Who cares who shined a light on it; once it came to light the failures of ethics and judgement were on record for the electorate.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 5:30:29 PM   
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Yeah, the criterion for "fake" seems to be "do I want this to be true or not"?

Little snowflakes of pretend truth.


You are a moron, and childish. The criteria for fake is fake.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 5:55:34 PM   
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Trump might not have won if it weren't for the DNC doing very toxic manipulations. Who cares who shined a light on it; once it came to light the failures of ethics and judgement were on record for the electorate.

Oh, absolutely agreed that DNC hubris lost them this one. And I think unnecessarily.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 6:57:42 PM   
Aylee


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Status: offline 		Now it seems to be the Ukraine that hacked the election.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.


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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 7:04:48 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		I dont know of many people on the left would disagree with that.
But trying to say it doesnt matter, or who cares, about trump is blind.
They have narrowed the goalposts, from russia wasnt involved in the election in any way,
to its hil's fault, to it doesnt matter as long as they didnt interfere in the ballot boxes/voting booth...because it didnt affect the result...
Imagine had it anyone else, and I dont mean Hils or Obama, or Bernie, but ANYONE on the R side OR D side.
The outcry would be far stronger than this.

Normalizing it, nah, not me.




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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 7:12:21 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		See, I thought Americans would vote, not the Ukraine and Russia.


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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 7:17:37 PM   
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See, I thought Americans would vote, not the Ukraine and Russia.




You thought Mexico would vote

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 7:23:58 PM   
Musicmystery


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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 7:34:43 PM   
BoscoX


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Reminds me of the last time the alt left laughed at President Trump, and how that turned out for them

Investors Bolt Mexico as Peso Enters Free Fall
Concerns about impact of Trump's trade policies build

Mexico says to seek broad negotiating strategy with Trump



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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 7:49:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

LOL

Reminds me of the last time the alt left laughed at President Trump, and how that turned out for them

Investors Bolt Mexico as Peso Enters Free Fall
Concerns about impact of Trump's trade policies build

Mexico says to seek broad negotiating strategy with Trump





My understanding is that the current unrest in Mexico is being caused by the 20% increase at the gas pump. Riots, arrests, deaths. Ya know.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 7:52:07 PM   
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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 8:24:05 PM   
BoscoX


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Status: online 		Obama Whispers Message for Putin in 2012: 'After My Election, I'll Have More Flexibility'

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/11/2017 8:32:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		And he did, and Obama flexibly beat the hell out of putin, but not the nazi communist nutsuckers are felching putin.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/12/2017 6:53:42 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Isn't it obvious that US Presidents have more flexibility in their second term?

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/12/2017 6:57:07 AM   
BoscoX


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Isn't it obvious that US Presidents have more flexibility in their second term?


That's a good alt left moron, pretend that its nothing. Now act all enraged over fake news about a Republican and scream that Trump is a retard and a faggot with a skin color that makes your flesh crawl and you will have the act down perfectly

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/12/2017 7:16:47 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		You know, it's YOU who continually raises the "faggot" thing.



Maybe stop. That'll fix it for ya.

And maybe address the discussion points instead.



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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/12/2017 7:19:10 AM   
WhoreMods


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Status: offline 		So what concessions did Obama make to Putin during his second term that he couldn't have during his first, then?
And why are you, as an apologist for Putin's influence over the president elect, feigning horror over the fact that Obama might have insinuated that he was willing to do a deal of some sort with Putin?

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/12/2017 8:39:13 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I'm still amazed no one seems concerned foreign governments are meddling in our elections, however successful or not.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/12/2017 10:16:46 AM   
heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Now it seems to be the Ukraine that hacked the election.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

quote:

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.


A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.



Sorry, but hacking tends to involve illegally breaking into computers, not just collecting information from various sources with the intent to inform the public. That's actually 100% legal.

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RE: Would Comrade Trump have won without Putin’s help? - 1/12/2017 10:44:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm still amazed no one seems concerned foreign governments are meddling in our elections, however successful or not.

Apparently anything anybody might have to say about that is just sour grapes and whining because Clinton didn't win.
Great, innit?

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