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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 4:33:43 AM   
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There's a fascinating book on Irving and Lipstadt called The Holocaust on Trial.

https://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Trial-D-Guttenplan/dp/0393322920



yeh you should see the quote from the expert witness! LOL

I will have to dig around for it.



Your boy Irving tired to ridicule the historians who were called as expert witnesses as well.
Didn't do him any good either...

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 7:22:32 AM   
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I doubt you know anything about what you are repeatedly talking about ...

Neither knowing the difference between history and hotchpotch.

Du hast leider einfach absolut keine Ahnung - und woher auch.



But if you truly are in germany there is nothing you can tell me, because they will throw your ass in jail if you sing anything out of key with the gubblmints tune. On the bright side you would get to hobnob with the 'real' experts on the subject.








Which is of course complete rubbish.

Unless of course one tries to restablish NS rule - which helped a lot to get rid of those who are too stupid to see with their own eyes what crimes and damage they had done. And I - like many here - are only too pleased to know those far far away from here.

You can pick your sh .... wisdoms from those for sure. Despite some may feel allured by fecal games on a kink site, that stuff is only worth flushing down the toilet.



so then you want everyone to believe that Germany, France, Austria, Poland, Romania, Belgium, Switzerland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have no holocaust denial laws?

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 7:32:01 AM   
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I doubt you know anything about what you are repeatedly talking about ...

Neither knowing the difference between history and hotchpotch.

Du hast leider einfach absolut keine Ahnung - und woher auch.



But if you truly are in germany there is nothing you can tell me, because they will throw your ass in jail if you sing anything out of key with the gubblmints tune. On the bright side you would get to hobnob with the 'real' experts on the subject.








Which is of course complete rubbish.

Unless of course one tries to restablish NS rule - which helped a lot to get rid of those who are too stupid to see with their own eyes what crimes and damage they had done. And I - like many here - are only too pleased to know those far far away from here.

You can pick your sh .... wisdoms from those for sure. Despite some may feel allured by fecal games on a kink site, that stuff is only worth flushing down the toilet.



so then you want everyone to believe that Germany, France, Austria, Poland, Romania, Belgium, Switzerland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have no holocaust denial laws?


On the contrary, everybody should know. Since denialism is a well known part of Neonazi ideology, feel invited to some international courtroom experiences. You forgot the Czech Republic, Denmark, the Netherlands ...

Maybe, when you visit you could, however, look for yourself that there is nothing to deny.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 9:33:19 AM   
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January 27, 2017, is the 72nd anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

That brings to mind some sobering thoughts I recently saw on Facebook.



And here's where I lecture you on your hypocrisy on the one hand and your stupidity on the other.

You're engaging in the fallacy of false equivalence. You're an idiot who can't think.

The Holocaust was a persecution of a Jewish minority for the perceived crimes of success. Hitler's technique of demonising a subset of society as the "enemy within" is a well-worn and well-understood tactic. Indeed, this technique is used by the Marines to bond groups together. They pick some poor fucker who's the worst at everything and make him responsible for every bad thing which occurs to the group. He washes out with his personality broken, but the group he was with bonds together more tightly as a result of being able to focus on a common enemy.

And the thing is, Jews are very much a minority. There's about 6 million of them in Israel and 16 million of them in total. After 48 years, their numbers have returned to pre-WWII levels.

In contrast, Islam is a creed with 1.6 billion adherents, a documented history of sectarian violence, a clear history of opposition to all of the values which Western democracy holds dear AND an absolutely obsessional hatred of the Jewish people. Not to mention an ongoing history of more than 30,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11.

Islam has demonstrated itself as an enemy both within and without. The Islamic faith promotes violence and murder - it's written in their Holy creed for fuck's sake.

The Jews have no such creed. Nor do they have a history of terrorism.

Second, for all the rhetoric around Trump's executive order concerning Muslims from terror-supporting countries, the fact is, that over 90% of the world's Muslims are completely unaffected.

Third, hate speech? Really? Fucking hate speech? Have you ever heard Arabs talk about the fucking Jews, you hypocritical piece of shit. Have you read their fucking creed which talks about how good it is for a Muslim to murder Jews?

You're an unthinking, ignorant, fucking moron. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, you're just an anti-Jewish bigot who paints Muslims as victims despite the fact that they're a massive force of hate-filled nutcases intent on wiping out the 6 million Jews who still live in the middle east.

You won't respond to this with facts, because you fucking have none. Godwin's Law writ large.



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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 9:46:24 AM   
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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 9:48:34 AM   
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how can people that declare war on germany (twice no less) choking it of the goods necessary for its survival as a nation be considered a 'minority'?



Trump was elected with a minority. minority has a meaning, whether you want it to or not. Its rather how the English language was thought up. There should be no confusion here.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 10:00:03 AM   
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how can people that declare war on germany (twice no less) choking it of the goods necessary for its survival as a nation be considered a 'minority'?


In World War 1, Germany wanted war. This has been documented.

In World War II, Germany invaded Poland.

They were the aggressors in both cases.


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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 10:01:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		as a potential alternative---it would be interesting to see the original post this came from (on facebook I think).

I say that because the prisoners in the photo are not necessarily jews, they are homosexuals.

im not saying that for a moment to suggest your points aren't valid. in fact I agree with them.

but im curious about the original posting.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 10:19:13 AM   
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I say that because the prisoners in the photo are not jews, they are homosexuals.
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Those visible are not Jews. Whether the triangle on the chest marking the prisoners' group was red (political) or pink (homosexual) or green (criminal) can hardly be decided on a b/w picture like this. They bear no "national" added letters, so they were Germans.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 10:39:22 AM   
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as a potential alternative---it would be interesting to see the original post this came from (on facebook I think).

I say that because the prisoners in the photo are not necessarily jews, they are homosexuals.

im not saying that for a moment to suggest your points aren't valid. in fact I agree with them.

but im curious about the original posting.
The photo is of Sachsenhausen detainees, which means they're far more likely to be political prisoners, Austrian Jews or Red Army POW's than homosexuals. In addition, the pink triangle was also used to denote sex offenders. I suspect DC has been suckered by a piece of Facebook "fake history".




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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 10:42:19 AM   
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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 10:56:24 AM   
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I say that because the prisoners in the photo are not necessarily jews, they are homosexuals.

Does that matter?

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 10:56:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		To be fair, the caption still stands whatever the internees in the photo were locked up for. It's either referencing that nice little speech of Pastor Neimoller's, or somebody who's not heard of it thinking along the same lines.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 11:16:16 AM   
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I say that because the prisoners in the photo are not jews, they are homosexuals.
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Those visible are not Jews. Whether the triangle on the chest marking the prisoners' group was red (political) or pink (homosexual) or green (criminal) can hardly be decided on a b/w picture like this. They bear no "national" added letters, so they were Germans.


I was going with pink because of the lightness of the shading. were red or green ones light enough to appear that way in a b&w photo?

I also have the book, "the pink triangle" and was going from memory. although, I just went and peeked at the cover photo and none of the prisoners' triangles on the cover are visible. it does look like other images ive seen though.

so I certainly could be wrong. however I just did a quick "homosexuals at Auschwitz" image search and bing linked that very image. although, that's not definitive either.


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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 11:18:41 AM   
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I say that because the prisoners in the photo are not necessarily jews, they are homosexuals.

Does that matter?


perhaps not for the current conversation about islam and immigration bans, but when I was questioning the source, I was wondering if the original facebook post had something to do with trump and homosexuality.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 11:31:35 AM   
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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 12:29:34 PM   
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

He misses out the homosexuals, but then he was a Lutheran.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 12:34:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me, the key point isn't any particular subset of the Nazis' victims but the fact that warning signs of the coming horror began long before folks were loaded into boxcars.

The Holocaust Museum here in D.C. makes the same point. The first several galleries chart the roots of bigotry that, in Nazi hands, became especially lethal.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 12:38:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'll say it again---the source from which I see this danger emerging, if ever, is from the left, not trump, and not conservatives or libertarians.

so make sure in your looking, you look everywhere and most especially in your own camp so to speak.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 12:59:31 PM   
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