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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 1:00:25 PM   
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i'll say it again---the source from which I see this danger emerging, if ever, is from the left, not trump, and not conservatives


So then... you agree that torture should be used and is in accordance with the American way? That this way of thinking is not a departure from what separates us from the Hitler's Germany of this world? Can you not see where fighting terrorist with terrorism is stepping away from our basic principles as a just nation?
Some... not all... of the actions of Trump I believe would be looked upon with disdain by Republicans of just 30 years ago. They would not see their party in his actions.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 1:35:46 PM   
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I say that because the prisoners in the photo are not jews, they are homosexuals.
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Those visible are not Jews. Whether the triangle on the chest marking the prisoners' group was red (political) or pink (homosexual) or green (criminal) can hardly be decided on a b/w picture like this. They bear no "national" added letters, so they were Germans.


I was going with pink because of the lightness of the shading. were red or green ones light enough to appear that way in a b&w photo?

I also have the book, "the pink triangle" and was going from memory. although, I just went and peeked at the cover photo and none of the prisoners' triangles on the cover are visible. it does look like other images ive seen though.

so I certainly could be wrong. however I just did a quick "homosexuals at Auschwitz" image search and bing linked that very image. although, that's not definitive either.



Colour shades were not standardised so a distinction based on grey shades is difficult. While pink might be possible, I 'd consider red more likely, but that's just my impression. Green less likely but possible depending on what kind of photographic film was used.

The photo certainly was not made at Auschwitz where inmates numbers on clothes were abolished at an early stage, for the infamous tattooing instead.
The guard is not wearing SA uniform so it should have been made after 1934. The low 4-digit numbers of the inmates point to a rather early date in the mid/late 30s. Sachsenhausen as stated above is plausible. It is also to be seen here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsenhausen_concentration_camp

with a date given late 1938.



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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 1:55:23 PM   
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how can people that declare war on germany (twice no less) choking it of the goods necessary for its survival as a nation be considered a 'minority'?



Trump was elected with a minority. minority has a meaning, whether you want it to or not. Its rather how the English language was thought up. There should be no confusion here.



the EC creates a balance for states that are population handicapped, that is bulshit he won with the majority votes, the EC reflects that,

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 1:57:36 PM   
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how can people that declare war on germany (twice no less) choking it of the goods necessary for its survival as a nation be considered a 'minority'?



Trump was elected with a minority. minority has a meaning, whether you want it to or not. Its rather how the English language was thought up. There should be no confusion here.



the EC creates a balance for states that are population handicapped, that is bulshit he won with the majority votes, the EC reflects that,

Nope, it does not absolutely does not reflect anything other than handicapped nutsuckers such as yourself. He was elected with a minority. Thanks for playing RealRetard, but you are the guy nobody wants on their team, you are too fucking retarded.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 1:59:13 PM   
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how can people that declare war on germany (twice no less) choking it of the goods necessary for its survival as a nation be considered a 'minority'?


In World War 1, Germany wanted war. This has been documented.

In World War II, Germany invaded Poland.

They were the aggressors in both cases.




It has? Really? Citation?

Great, we will come in and cut your house in half, disconnect your sink, invalidate your democratic election and it would not surprize me that while the rest of the world would come out swinging so they could get to the other side of the house, you would simply bend over and say thank you master may I another.

Give me citation for that bs.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 2:02:01 PM   
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how can people that declare war on germany (twice no less) choking it of the goods necessary for its survival as a nation be considered a 'minority'?



Trump was elected with a minority. minority has a meaning, whether you want it to or not. Its rather how the English language was thought up. There should be no confusion here.



the EC creates a balance for states that are population handicapped, that is bulshit he won with the majority votes, the EC reflects that,

Nope, it does not absolutely does not reflect anything other than handicapped nutsuckers such as yourself. He was elected with a minority. Thanks for playing RealRetard, but you are the guy nobody wants on their team, you are too fucking retarded.



Didnt get your gubmint check? Do you need help rubbing a couple sticks together so you can burn the constitution a little faster?

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 2:13:14 PM   
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You are a weapons grade fucking retard

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 3:17:26 PM   
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i'll say it again---the source from which I see this danger emerging, if ever, is from the left, not trump, and not conservatives


So then... you agree that torture should be used and is in accordance with the American way? That this way of thinking is not a departure from what separates us from the Hitler's Germany of this world? Can you not see where fighting terrorist with terrorism is stepping away from our basic principles as a just nation?
Some... not all... of the actions of Trump I believe would be looked upon with disdain by Republicans of just 30 years ago. They would not see their party in his actions.

Butch


I have no idea how you got to what you said, from what I said.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 4:10:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey dumb ass, representation in the EC is the same as represtation in congress.

burn that constitution nutsucka!

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 4:15:42 PM   
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hey dumb ass, representation in the EC is the same as represtation in congress.

burn that constitution nutsucka!


We shouldn't have congress. After all we are a democracy. Everyone should vote on everything every day.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 5:25:12 PM   
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hey dumb ass, representation in the EC is the same as represtation in congress.

burn that constitution nutsucka!

other than you cant spell due to your retardation no doubt. The representations being equal do not mean anything beyond that the representation in either is not equal among equals.

So, the fact that you are a retard, has nothing to do with the EC. or represtation either for that matter.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 5:26:46 PM   
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hey dumb ass, representation in the EC is the same as represtation in congress.

burn that constitution nutsucka!


We shouldn't have congress. After all we are a democracy. Everyone should vote on everything every day.


we are not a democracy we are not a republic. We have been thru this more than we have the fake news that is recycled by the nutsuckers hourly. A federal constitutional republic is as close as we can get to the system.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 5:44:11 PM   
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i'll say it again---the source from which I see this danger emerging, if ever, is from the left, not trump, and not conservatives


So then... you agree that torture should be used and is in accordance with the American way? That this way of thinking is not a departure from what separates us from the Hitler's Germany of this world? Can you not see where fighting terrorist with terrorism is stepping away from our basic principles as a just nation?
Some... not all... of the actions of Trump I believe would be looked upon with disdain by Republicans of just 30 years ago. They would not see their party in his actions.

Butch


Thirty years ago Democrats and Republicans alike weren't the PC pussies they are today, they probably did far more back then - you just didn't instantly hear about every fart and whisper around the globe live on Facebook. It wasn't all about getting likes for turning on your fellow soldiers or getting selfies with CIA corpses in the background.

There were no self-centered millennials or camera phones either

And no one had watched video of guys getting lit on fire or having their heads sawed off with dull knives, or watched live as passenger jets were flown into skyscrapers. Had they faced the enemies we face today thirty years ago who knows what they would have been willing to do if the CIA had al Qaeda master planners in custody somewhere

That's who was water boarded, one of the key the masterminds behind 9/11.

Just for fun, name the last enemy we fought who honored any kind of international protocol on POWs



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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 5:59:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got there by the actions of Trump... I would say a regime that embraces torture is far more likely to commit atrocities than one that does not. Which to you is the American way?

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 8:17:45 PM   
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I got there by the actions of Trump... I would say a regime that embraces torture is far more likely to commit atrocities than one that does not. Which to you is the American way?

Butch


That kind of jingoism, "The American Way" smacks of nationalism

Careful Mr Nazi

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 8:21:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		What does torture smack of? Not the values i grew up with... how about you?

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 8:25:05 PM   
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What does torture smack of? Not the values i grew up with... how about you?


One can "value" innocent lives AND give a terrorist mastermind a really rough week, both at the same time.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 8:28:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		One can win a war without stooping to torture ... we've done it before and kept our honor.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 8:29:34 PM   
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What does torture smack of? Not the values i grew up with... how about you?


One can "value" innocent lives AND give a terrorist mastermind a really rough week, both at the same time.

Yeah, you really tortured some terrorist masterminds, the guys in Abu Grahib and most in Gitmo (some 600 as I remember) were about as smart as nutsuckers, and were innocent which nutsuckers weren't.

We should torture nutsuckers they arent innocent, and they are retarded masterminds. Its good for America.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/30/2017 8:39:36 PM   
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One can win a war without stooping to torture ... we've done it before and kept our honor.

Butch


This enemy hides among civilians and values civilian targets, and the more horror the better. That has been their modus operandi since the time of Mohammad, which is why we refer to them as "terrorists"

My sense of honor wasn't infringed, because we found out what he knew

Not at all

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