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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 4:13:50 AM   
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One can win a war without stooping to torture ... we've done it before and kept our honor.

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this is a good case in point concerning your recent penchant for talking about discussing differences 'round the table.

I suspect you are referring to waterboarding? some people consider it torture. some people don't. yet you are wanting to label those who don't and are willing to use it as "lacking honor."

do I rightly presume your "compromise" here would be to make it illegal for those who believe its not torture, to practice it? that's a compromise?

my own position notwithstanding, I don't consider the very rare occasion of waterboarding on par with the broad totalitarian practices of the left that effect the lives of common citizens on a regular basis.

so again, if you are concerned about the gas chambers, yes keep your eyes open everywhere, but most especially in your own camp.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 6:08:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		cowards like you who have never served this county? nobody gives the glimmer of a good goddamn fuck what you think it is not open to nutsucker felghgobbling interpretation using alternative words, lt is torture and regardless of you useless nutsuckers, it will always be torture and useless.

I clip a bob vila synergistic action racheting vice grip on your underdeveloped nuts and when I ask you if you burned down the reichstag, you will not only admit it, but convince me that you did it.

I dont consider the constant factless unamerican country destroying totalitarian retardation of the nutsuckers to be anything less than treasonous terrorism.

So, anyone who would vicegrip their underdeveloped nuts would not be interested in anything other than torture. I say lets do it.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 6:16:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		You read Mein Kampf WM? thoughts? ffs 720 pages i aint reading that.

How does it start is difficult for me to answer.
It starts with embers; you must not so much blow on them with a gentle breeze but fan them with a maelstrom targeting; people’s fears, prejudices, fake news-propganda, jealously, greed, shdenfreude, feeble minds, xenophobia,fear….its a very long list. But you must also know how do to so.

Incidentally goebells secretary – died at 106 yesterday – she said she had no idea regarding the chambers: which were only one mode of torture exterminating a race-people to the brink of extinction) I do not believe her. Were all Germans aware of this probably.

Top Nazi propagandist Goebbels' secretary dies at 106 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38793048

In a recent documentary, she said she had known nothing of the murder of six million Jews during the Holocaust.
In "A German Life", which was released last year, she said she felt no guilt - "unless you end up blaming the entire German population". I do.



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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 9:58:43 AM   
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You read Mein Kampf WM? thoughts? ffs 720 pages i aint reading that.

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Incidentally goebells secretary – died at 106 yesterday – she said she had no idea regarding the chambers: which were only one mode of torture exterminating a race-people to the brink of extinction) I do not believe her. Were all Germans aware of this probably.

Top Nazi propagandist Goebbels' secretary dies at 106 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38793048

In a recent documentary, she said she had known nothing of the murder of six million Jews during the Holocaust.
In "A German Life", which was released last year, she said she felt no guilt - "unless you end up blaming the entire German population". I do.



Yes I did. VERY tedious to read - also very clear about his intentions, if you make it to those passages somewhere amidst all that tedious gobbledigook under which these are buried.

Did all Germans know about the gas chambers? No they did not. Some did know for sure. How many? Not easy to determine right now. A majority? Rather not. A significant minority? Maybe.

I can tell you what all Germans know from childhood: The following sentences: "Shut up, or you 'll get to Dachau." "Nobody gets out of Dachau but by the chimney." "Don't ask, then you avoid hearing about things you should not know." "Never tell outside what we talk about at home." "Don't talk too much you never know who is listening."

My translations, but otherwise quotations from my grandmother who was born in the late 1930s. These were the things a child learned before entering school.
Did Germans wonder where their Jewish neighbours were transported to? Sure they did but they got told some story, and everybody knew it was wise not to ask for any other. Did some know more without asking? Yes, for example when soldiers came home on leave and told what they had seen happening there behind the front lines. Not everyone believed what they heard, some did, some spread the news, many of those did not survive it.

Did Goebbels' secretary know? - Not if her job was typing his speeches and radio manuscripts (I am not sure if it was, but that was what Hitler's secretaries were doing most of their time). Did his staff (as Gauleiter of Berlin) know? Not all details, but the basic outline for sure since their job was to get Berlin "judenrein." Did his secretary ask to know what the others were occupied with? Certainly not, or she would have been not only fired but locked away, and, in all likeliness, not survived to the age of 106.

In a time when being curious could get you into most serious trouble, the majority stopped appearing curious long before they really could know something for sure. And if you had been known as being not a party member before '33, having relatives with mental issues, not a spotless ancestry, or had a row with the local SA before '33, you never asked any questions about anything.

So the question: "Did the Germans know ..." is missing the point that mattered; it should be: "Did they know, better not to want to know?" To that one the answer is "yes" for sure.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 10:03:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

One can win a war without stooping to torture ... we've done it before and kept our honor.

Butch


this is a good case in point concerning your recent penchant for talking about discussing differences 'round the table.

I suspect you are referring to waterboarding? some people consider it torture. some people don't. yet you are wanting to label those who don't and are willing to use it as "lacking honor."

do I rightly presume your "compromise" here would be to make it illegal for those who believe its not torture, to practice it? that's a compromise?

my own position notwithstanding, I don't consider the very rare occasion of waterboarding on par with the broad totalitarian practices of the left that effect the lives of common citizens on a regular basis.

so again, if you are concerned about the gas chambers, yes keep your eyes open everywhere, but most especially in your own camp.



As I stated in another thread... there is no need for a compromise... Despite the intent of Trump to reinstate torture his own party rebelled and it is no longer an issue. Only the likes of you think it justified to become a terrorist to fight terrorism... Thank heavens you and Trump or in the national minority.

Butch

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 10:03:57 AM   
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So the question: "Did the Germans know ..." is missing the point that mattered; it should be: "Did they know, better not to want to know?" To that one the answer is "yes" for sure.


Of course they fucking knew.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 10:48:39 AM   
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Thank heavens you and Trump or in the national minority.

Butch


Here's why there can be no compromise. You hold your own opinion to be the only acceptable opinion. Anyone differing is, let's say, less than honorable.

Others go much further, of course. Riots, violence, calls for assassination etc on the part of the left, is the norm

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 11:58:14 AM   
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Thank heavens you and Trump or in the national minority.

Butch


Here's why there can be no compromise. You hold your own opinion to be the only acceptable opinion. Anyone differing is, let's say, less than honorable.

Others go much further, of course. Riots, violence, calls for assassination etc on the part of the left, is the norm

Yes, why does the right call for riots, violence, and assassinations to be perpetrated on the left as their norm?

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 12:50:54 PM   
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Only the likes of you think it justified to become a terrorist to fight terrorism... Thank heavens you and Trump or in the national minority.

Butch


so much for trying to have a decent conversation with you...

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 12:52:28 PM   
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Thank heavens you and Trump or in the national minority.

Butch


Here's why there can be no compromise. You hold your own opinion to be the only acceptable opinion. Anyone differing is, let's say, less than honorable.

Others go much further, of course. Riots, violence, calls for assassination etc on the part of the left, is the norm


exactly that.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 1:27:42 PM   
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Only the likes of you think it justified to become a terrorist to fight terrorism... Thank heavens you and Trump or in the national minority.

Butch


so much for trying to have a decent conversation with you...


Dogshit44, you are incapable of decent anything, you are a felchgobbler. you are going to find that is your life, exactly as it has been, a series of dark dank bathrooms and a tongue in the night.

BTW, butch (who made major) and most veterans overwhelmingly take a absolute fuck you view of torture.

American patriots think at the very least, American noblesse oblige should say, look---we don't do that kinda shit here, and there should be unanimous lese majeste at these affronts, goddammit we are built on freedom of a lot more than cretinous cowardly ideology that these cowards are puking.

Veterans are going to think along those lines, and you aren't having any decent conversation, you are a fucking affront to our service.

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RE: It Didn't Start With Gas Chambers - 1/31/2017 1:36:14 PM   
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Thank heavens you and Trump or in the national minority.

Butch


Here's why there can be no compromise. You hold your own opinion to be the only acceptable opinion. Anyone differing is, let's say, less than honorable.

Others go much further, of course. Riots, violence, calls for assassination etc on the part of the left, is the norm


exactly that.


Yeah, like all the welfare state nutsuckers always gonna secede and shit. All the rightwing hysterical terrorists killing people in this country. Dont be retards out here where people can see you two, get a room.

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