jlf1961
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You are aware that even the most rudimentary online college for profit does not consider wikipedia a legitimate source for material?
As for the stuff taken out of context, well gee, every fucking time YOU quote the Hadith. Specifically, just the verse, since the actual book includes context.
The same is true for the bible, which extreme right wing fuck nuts pull verses out of context to justify everything from murder to racism.
But maybe that is different, since it is the Bible?
But, since you insist that Voltair never renounced his views on Islam, how about his views on Christianity and the bible?
Lets see, he was, according to your wikipedia link, a polygenist, which means that he rejected the biblical story of creation, which pretty much negates the entire bible from that point onward.
Of course the other source that supported his renouncing of his views you have not read? Which begs the question, do you just want to poke holes in one argument, which is widely accepted by many as proof he changed his views, or is it because you have barely mastered the use google, and anything beyond Wikipedia is out of your league?
But, consider this argument.
If the Koran does not support terrorism or out right murder of Christians and Jews, could there be another motivation, not based in religion?
What could that be?
Perhaps it may go as far back as WW1?
The British needed allies to fight the Ottoman Empire in the middle eastern areas made up of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon.
So they sent T. E. Lawrence in to negotiate an alliance, and he was told that the British and her allies would support any deal he made.
The deal he made was for the Arabs to help Britain and in return, when the Ottoman Empire was defeated, the Arabs get Independence.
Didnt happen, Saudi Arabia got semi autonomy, the rest of the middle east was divided up between France and Great Britain and the Arabs got fucked.
Of course for the next few decades, European colonial rule was far from fair. In many respects, it was worse than the rule of the Ottomans.
In point of fact, the oldest Islamic Extremist organizations date from that era.
Of course, as the European powers did come around to granting independence to the fucked over, they ignored ethnic and sect conflicts and randomly drew lines on the map to create new countries.
Gee, how would you feel if suddenly you found yourself in a country where the majority of the citizens looked at you and those who shared your beliefs as someone to be exterminated for heresy? Laws passed favoring the majority, which was not you?
Of course, before the new maps were made, these issues were brought up to the British and French who basically didnt listen.
So, you go from the Turks trying to exterminate your way of life, to the French and British treating you as nothing more than paid slaves to getting your independence and citizenship in a country where the majority or people want to see you dead?
Gee, not much of a reason to start blowing the hell our of people is there?
Okay well that is a reason for terrorist attacks against Europe, not the US...
Except that in 1948, the UN created Israel.
And while the US did not OVERTLY support the Israelis in their war of Independence, they supplied free of charge, aircraft, ammo, guns, bombs, and quite a few 'retired' WW2 vets from the US fought on the side of the Israelis, as paid mercs, with checks coming from various front agencies that were first created to fund the AVG.
Jump to the seventies.
Hamas, the PLO or whoever pulls an attack that has Americans killed, as well as Jews. Israel retaliates, the US retaliates, innocent Muslims die.
Or hell, look at the latest Iraqi war.
Over 250,000 Iraqi civilians killed due to being caught in the crossfire. Men, women and children. None with a gun or IED.
Dead at American hands.
And you think the ONLY reasons they are pulling terrorist attacks are religion?
Jesus, man use your brain, do the math.
Since the Nixon Era, collateral casualties due to raids by the US in retaliation until now is easily in excess of half a million, when you add the collateral casualties from Iraq and Afghanistan.
And before Bush sr got pissed off at Saddam, we were supplying him with arms and supporting his war against Iraq, and we said absolutely nothing concerning his use of chemical weapons against Iranian troops. Hell we didnt say shit when he tested them on Kurds inside his own borders.
We cut off his support when he starts getting technology from the soviets that would give him a nuclear weapons capability, the Israelis blow up his reactor, with F16's supplied by us.
Man the US has been playing one side off the other for decades. And the only reason you people can come up with for Islamic extremism is religion.
No other reason is possible?
Sweet mother, what do you have between your ears? Lead?
Islam is a religion of hate and war.
Well, if it is, man we helped make it that way by blowing the fucking hell out of everyone every time we get hurt.
Blow the hell out of my town because some terrorist may or may not be living there who was involved in a bombing that killed Americans, I might get more than a little pissed off and volunteer to help kill more of those godless bastards that blew my house up.
Wouldnt you?
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