jlf1961
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Is a Muslim terrorist really any different than a Japanese Kamikaze pilot?
You know you are talking to someone who was brought up to hate Japanese people for the atrocities they did to our race right?
If Japanese people were still the same evil as they were way back then. I'm all for banning them from our country. Infact, considering the atrocities they committed, I am surprise they were not banned at least for the first few years while they got themselves sorted out. But of course back then, we were not our own Nation yet and were run by British.
I do not judge Japanese today for what their ancestors did as they have clearly proven capability of peace and have changed for the better to become more useful and constructive to the world.
But can't say the same for Muslims yet since they are not evolving and still trying to keep the Muhammad old ways alive.
And technically, Muslims are older than Japanese. Japanese went from evil to good, and evolved way faster! Muslims still stuck in their 9th Century. I do not see any hope for them to evolve, except for them to turn away from their religion. That's why we need to treat their ideology without kid's glove and call them out for what it is. It will cause Muslims to also want to move away from their religion. And simply leave the ideology behind to adopt anything else that is more constructive.
I always say, Christianity has New Testament. What does Islam have to evolve?
Once more, you have missed the point.
In fact, I doubt if you have the mental ability to see the point at all.
First, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania are the only Muslim countries that use Sharia law exclusively, the rest of the Muslim governed countries use it in one form or another except in the punishment phase of the court proceedings.
This means the majority of the Muslim world does not use Sharia law.
As for the Islamic extremism, contrary to your constant assertions that ALL Muslims are, or will become terrorists, again the overwhelming evidence is against it.
Of the less than two percent of Muslims who are militant extremists, there leaders, have for the most part, adopted the teachings of one man, and he taught that the majority of Muslims have denied the faith and therefore should be executed. This stems from a movement dating to the 1st century of Islam after the death of the prophet.
Bosco, really?
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The tiny number of crimes committed by Christians, who number in the hundreds of millions (83% of Americans) Are far outshadowed by atrocities committed by Muslims here, who make up MAYBE 1% of the population.
Okay, was it Muslims who did the killings at Columbine? Sandy Hook?
Face reality, of the acts of terrorism in the US, according to the Justice Department, it breaks down as follows:
Latino 42%
Extreme left wing groups 24%
Jewish Extremists 7%
Muslim Extremists 6%
Communists 5%
Others 16%
Of the mass shootings that liberals use to cry for more gun laws, in recent years 3 has had direct links to Muslim extremists.
Of the total number of domestic terrorist bombings in the US carried out by refugees?
ZERO.
Total number of Terrorist attacks conducted by Naturalized citizens of the US?
Well, there is the Boston Marathon bombings, the shootings in California, the recent bombings in New York City (and that would be terrorists Muslim dad tried for two years to get his son arrested because HE thought he was dangerous.)
The weather underground set off more bombs in the US than all the Muslim citizens, including one in the US Capitol in 1971.
Of course there was the Unabomber, the 18 attacks by the Jewish Defense league, the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, the Centennial Park Bombing by Eric Rudolf, the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting by Wade Michael Page....
Oh hell, here is a list of the most recent domestic terrorist attacks by US citizens:
October 12, 1958: Bombing of the Hebrew Benevolent Congregation Temple
September 15, 1963: 16th Street Baptist Church Bombing
August 24, 1970: Sterling Hall bombing
November 7, 1983: 1983 U.S. Senate bombing
April 19, 1995: Oklahoma City bombing
July 27, 1996: Centennial Olympic Park bombing
October 13, 2000: Firebombing of Temple Beth El (Syracuse)
September 2001: anthrax attacks
May 2002: Mailbox Pipe Bombing – Luke Helder
March 3, 2006: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar SUV attack
July 28, 2006: Seattle Jewish Federation shooting
July 27, 2008: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting
May 31, 2009: Assassination of George Tiller
June 10, 2009: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
November 5, 2009: Fort Hood shooting
February 18, 2010: 2010 Austin suicide attack
September 1, 2010: Discovery Communications headquarters hostage crisis
August 5, 2012: Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon bombing- Muslim
June 17, 2015: Charleston church shooting
November 27, 2015: Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting
December 2, 2015: San Bernardino attack -Muslim
June 12, 2016: Orlando nightclub shooting -Muslim
September 17–19, 2016: New York and New Jersey bombings -Muslim
So, do you really want to continue the argument that Muslims pose the greater threat?
Look, I am not saying not to be cautious, I am saying that 98% of the Muslims in the world today do not follow the ideology you claim that they do.
In point of fact, they are at just as big a risk of being targets as the rest of us, because they refuse to follow the teachings of the one man which every Muslim extremist group thinks was a modern voice of God, who was executed in Egypt for plotting to kill President Nasser.
Every radicalized Imam in the world has taken his teachings to heart.
There is a good article on the problems of Islamic Terrorism that might prove enlightening.
You might also want to look at Religious Basis for Islamic Terrorism: The Quran and Its Interpretations
And while there are others, I would also suggest What Turns Some Western Muslims Into Terrorists? The Causes of Extremism
And, since you do not seem to grasp my point when I bring up Christian based terrorism in the US, and the extremists involved is around 1% of the total Christian population, I will spell it out once more.
ANY RELIGIOUS TEXT CAN BE TWISTED TO SUPPORT VIOLENCE AND MURDER, ISLAM IS NOT UNIQUE.
And, historically speaking, Christianity has had a bloodier history than Islam, the only differences are that, 1) Governments have separated themselves from the church, and 2) the majority of Christians in the modern world are more involved in secular activities than most other religions.
However, I have to point out yet again, that the racists organizations in the US base the bulk of their philosophy on passages in the bible. And if the KKK, the Ayrian Brotherhood, 11th Hour Remnant Messenger, America's Promise Ministries, Christian Identity Church – Aryan Nations, The Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations, Church of the Sons of YHWH, Covenant People's Ministry, Divine International Church of the Web, Ecclesiastical Council for the Restoration of Covenant Israel, Fellowship of God's Covenant People, First Baptist Church and Ministry, First Century Christian Ministries, Holy Order Ministry, Identity Nation, Kingdom Identity Ministries, Kinsman Redeemer Ministries, Knights of the Holy Identity, Mission to Israel, Non-Universal Teaching Ministries, Our Place Fellowship,
Scriptures for America Ministries, The Shepherd's Call Ministries, Thomas Robb Ministries, United Identity Church of Christ, Virginia Publishing Company, Watchmen Bible Study Group, Weisman Publications, Yahweh's Truth are not 'Christian' groups preaching violence against non whites, then someone in the Justice Department has an active imagination.
And all base their philosophy on the bible, and members of all these groups have been convicted of 'hate' crimes which are now considered 'domestic terrorism.'
All I have ever said is that radical Islam is not now nor ever has been the core of Islamic beliefs.
You know, kind of like the counter to the liberal "all gun owners are potential mass murderers therefore take away the guns" argument?
Basically, when it comes to religion, ANY religion, there are no absolutes, no religion is all or nothing. As with any heinous criminal act, it is not the religion, politics or whatever, but the individuals.
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