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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 6:56:25 AM   
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A 72 year old woman with a heart condition cannot be kept in an airport holding facility for three days on the possibility she may be a terrorist.



All she needs is a pill, and she will be fine

Just ask Barack

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 6:58:34 AM   
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Being able to come home to the country that granted you permanent residency with a green card is a right.

The rest is religious persecution.

Spin and spin, but that's the truth of it.



Okay, you got me, here:

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The ONLY people with a RIGHT to enter this country were born here or nationalized to us.



Michael


Not only should I have used the word "natURalized", but I forgot to mention legal resident aliens and those who have been granted refugee status.

I goofed.



Michael

Noted and thanks.

As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal.

More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution.


Ask the Yazidis what religious persecution looks like

(You are a moron)




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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:07:43 AM   
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Could I get an amen here?

I agree.
I'm Chinese and EVEN if Trump banned Chinese people. I wouldn't be upset. Because, that's not my country. The government has the right to decide who can or cannot enter their country. Especially if it's a security decision.

I mean, it would sucks for those affected who already have a foot inside America that they wanna migrate into. But it is not their right to be able to live in that country unless they are allowed to. It's not their basic right.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:11:50 AM   
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As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal.

More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution.



I don't, for a moment, debate that the "roll-out" of this suspension was semi-botched. It needed to be better coordinated, to be sure.

On the other hand, there is some merit to not "signalling our moves" to the enemy.

I've been paying attention, quite a bit, to the guy that interrogated (I'm never gonna spell this right) Khalid Sheik Mohammad and, years ago, Mohammad warned that the refugee program would be one of the ways that Al Qaeda/ISIS would attempt to infiltrate this country. I believe it's already happening, based upon some of the attacks we've endured, over the last few years, at least.

But, this interrogation expert shared something else, the other day, when he was asked about how ISIS (I think I may have to start using "DAESH") is using this "Muslim Ban" (which is neither aimed at Muslims nor a ban. It's a suspension, to allow us to set up better vetting. Something Ol' Dumbo Ears also did) as a propaganda tool.

He said that Mohammad told him that DAESH could (and would) use ANYTHING to their advantage. He said that Mohammad told him that if the U.S. threw open their doors, DAESH would claim "the great Satan is trying to lure them to its bosom in order to defile their faith with booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication."

I've been convinced for quite some time that nothing we do is going to be received well. This is a war against a religious ideology. Their leaders are not rational. It's why I giggle my ass off, every time someone claims: "They're using this as propaganda!" My first thought is: "Well, gee! I wouldn't want them getting angry with us. That might be bad."

The very argument kind of suggests that they've been our allies, to this point.



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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:14:58 AM   
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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:17:10 AM   
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Maybe read the Constitution.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:20:31 AM   
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You really don't get this America thing.

Maybe read the Constitution.


You've appointed yourself the judge of that now too

What a knuckle dragging fucking freak you have become, you would fit right in with ISIS



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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:22:37 AM   
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You really don't get this America thing.

Maybe read the Constitution.

You know what.

I don't know much about American laws or history. But one thing I know is during the Elections, All the Libs says it's impossible for Trump to ban Muslims. The constitution does not allow it. Blah Blah Blah. It's not within his powers. And they laugh at Trump's "ignorance" to claim he could achieve this.

And now he has gone and done it!

I guess there gotta be a loophole somewhere.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:24:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		. . . and the courts are putting a stop to it.

End loophole.

This is not a dictatorship. Sorry.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:25:34 AM   
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The CATO institute:

The chances of falling victim to a terrorist act committed by a foreigner in the US is 1 in 3.6 million. HERE

The chances of being struck by lightening is 1 in 700,000.

That a person is a US citizen or green card holder coming into the US, i.e., coming home, is not a privilege...it is a right.

Any ban that is based on the very concept of any person observing any particular religion is defacto unconstitutional, it codifying the free exercise of same.


I still remember when the RWNJs were constantly citing CATO and other libertarian think tanks instead of Breitbart and the Nazis.

It all seems so quaint.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:27:34 AM   
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Values are so 80s.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:41:16 AM   
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Now they're "RINOs"

Values are so 80s.


Awww, now you are all choked up because you miss the mythical Republican "values" that you make up in your dizzy blonde head, that insist that we need to let psychopathic death cult member in, en massse

How cute, just like a rabid snarling spraying skunk is cute



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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:52:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You really don't get this America thing.

Maybe read the Constitution.

You know what.

I don't know much about American laws or history. But one thing I know is during the Elections, All the Libs says it's impossible for Trump to ban Muslims. The constitution does not allow it. Blah Blah Blah. It's not within his powers. And they laugh at Trump's "ignorance" to claim he could achieve this.

And now he has gone and done it!

I guess there gotta be a loophole somewhere.

He hasnt done shit.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 7:53:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Now they're "RINOs"

Values are so 80s.


Awww, now you are all choked up because you miss the mythical Republican "values" that you make up in your dizzy blonde head, that insist that we need to let psychopathic death cult member in, en massse

How cute, just like a rabid snarling spraying skunk is cute



We learned long ago that nutsuckers have no values.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 8:49:37 AM   
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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 8:55:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Now they're "RINOs"

Values are so 80s.


Awww, now you are all choked up because you miss the mythical Republican "values" that you make up in your dizzy blonde head, that insist that we need to let psychopathic death cult member in, en massse

How cute, just like a rabid snarling spraying skunk is cute



We learned long ago that nutsuckers have no values.


And just what are your values, exactly?

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 8:56:21 AM   
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Ask the Yazidis what religious persecution looks like

(You are a moron)





They know very well:
they usually have Syrian or Iraqi passports.


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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 8:56:28 AM   
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Where werre the protestss and outrage and court cases over the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and made permanent in 1902? This concept of excluding countries is not new by any means. Even SCOTUS allowed the internment of persons of Japanese heritage to be confined in the 1940's. Not to say I agree with these but they are presidents that can be followed until SCOTUS says enough.


Korematsu v United States

Japanese Americans were excluded from living in military sensitive areas. Korematsu was arrested on the exclusion grounds. That was the issue in the SCOTUS decision, not the internment camps.

(The Court limited its decision to the validity of the exclusion orders, adding, "The provisions of other orders requiring persons of Japanese ancestry to report to assembly centers and providing for the detention of such persons in assembly and relocation centers were separate, and their validity is not in issue in this proceeding.") During the case, Solicitor General Charles Fahy is alleged to have suppressed evidence by keeping from the Court a report from the Office of Naval Intelligence indicating that there was no evidence that Japanese Americans were acting as spies or sending signals to enemy submarines.[3]

Karematsu's original conviction was voided in 1983.

The Court's Decision was a travesty upon American values of Liberty and Due Process.

Constitutional scholars like Bruce Fein and Noah Feldman have compared Korematsu to Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson, respectively, in arguing it has become an example of Richard Primus's "Anti-Canon",[6] a term for those cases which are so flawed that they are now taken as exemplars of bad legal decision making;[7][8] The decision has been described as "an odious and discredited artifact of popular bigotry"[7] and as "a stain on American jurisprudence."[9] Feldman summarized the present view of the case as: "Korematsu's uniquely bad legal status means it's not precedent even though it hasn't been overturned."[8]

Popular bigotry! Times change but the old dogs continue to howl unceasingly.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 9:04:37 AM   
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Better shut down every gay nightclub etc, so we don't give ISIS propaganda fodder. Forrce our women to wear Burkahs, bow to Mecca. Can't give them any propaganda...

(Morons)

Well hell! Shut down every gay night club and close all the Malls so ISIS lacks targets.

Bigoted, fear mongering Islamophobe lying sack of shit.

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RE: “Being able to come to America is a privilege, no... - 1/31/2017 9:06:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You really don't get this America thing.

Maybe read the Constitution.

You know what.

I don't know much about American laws or history. But one thing I know is during the Elections, All the Libs says it's impossible for Trump to ban Muslims. The constitution does not allow it. Blah Blah Blah. It's not within his powers. And they laugh at Trump's "ignorance" to claim he could achieve this.

And now he has gone and done it!

I guess there gotta be a loophole somewhere.

Uh yeah, we have noticed you don't

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