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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Ask the Yazidis what religious persecution looks like

(You are a moron)

They know very well:
they usually have Syrian or Iraqi passports.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal.

More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution.

I don't, for a moment, debate that the "roll-out" of this suspension was semi-botched. It needed to be better coordinated, to be sure.

On the other hand, there is some merit to not "signalling our moves" to the enemy.

I've been paying attention, quite a bit, to the guy that interrogated (I'm never gonna spell this right) Khalid Sheik Mohammad and, years ago, Mohammad warned that the refugee program would be one of the ways that Al Qaeda/ISIS would attempt to infiltrate this country. I believe it's already happening, based upon some of the attacks we've endured, over the last few years, at least.

But, this interrogation expert shared something else, the other day, when he was asked about how ISIS (I think I may have to start using "DAESH") is using this "Muslim Ban" (which is neither aimed at Muslims nor a ban. It's a suspension, to allow us to set up better vetting. Something Ol' Dumbo Ears also did) as a propaganda tool.

He said that Mohammad told him that DAESH could (and would) use ANYTHING to their advantage. He said that Mohammad told him that if the U.S. threw open their doors, DAESH would claim "the great Satan is trying to lure them to its bosom in order to defile their faith with booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication."

I've been convinced for quite some time that nothing we do is going to be received well. This is a war against a religious ideology. Their leaders are not rational. It's why I giggle my ass off, every time someone claims: "They're using this as propaganda!" My first thought is: "Well, gee! I wouldn't want them getting angry with us. That might be bad."

The very argument kind of suggests that they've been our allies, to this point.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

rights and privileges aside for a moment.

im not aware of anyone being deported in whats going on recently. they are being detained for whatever further scrutiny is deemed necessary. I just read that one of the Iraqi arrivals expressed dismay at being detained, but nevertheless came out of the airport glad to be in America and essentially saying we're the best place in the world.

im also not aware that the detainees are being treated inhumanely as someone above as suggested. presumably they are sheltered, fed, allowed freedom of movement though with some restrictions, and kept comfortable given the circumstances.

i understand most of the those detained have been released.

i found myself saddened and praying for the elderly woman from yemen with the heart condition and diabetes who came here to be with family. its unfortunate she was inconvenienced---but that's all it was, and also unfortunately, that is the nature of bureaucracy, they cannot deal with people quickly on an individual basis.

but that said, my goodness i feel proud as can be that we live in a country where people can come from all over the world to seek a better life to begin with. or that families already here can provide the same for their relatives.

and if you whining leftists cannot see that forest through the trees, you suck even more than i already think you do.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

rights and privileges aside for a moment.

im not aware of anyone being deported in whats going on recently. they are being detained for whatever further scrutiny is deemed necessary. I just read that one of the Iraqi arrivals expressed dismay at being detained, but nevertheless came out of the airport glad to be in America and essentially saying we're the best place in the world.

im also not aware that the detainees are being treated inhumanely as someone above as suggested. presumably they are sheltered, fed, allowed freedom of movement though with some restrictions, and kept comfortable given the circumstances.

i understand most of the those detained have been released.

i found myself saddened and praying for the elderly woman from yemen with the heart condition and diabetes who came here to be with family. its unfortunate she was inconvenienced---but that's all it was, and also unfortunately, that is the nature of bureaucracy, they cannot deal with people quickly on an individual basis.

but that said, my goodness i feel proud as can be that we live in a country where people can come from all over the world to seek a better life to begin with. or that families already here can provide the same for their relatives.

and if you whining leftists cannot see that forest through the trees, you suck even more than i already think you do.

These people are being treated almost as bad as a 4th graders who chews his pop tart into the shape of a gun.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal.

More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution.

I don't, for a moment, debate that the "roll-out" of this suspension was semi-botched. It needed to be better coordinated, to be sure.

On the other hand, there is some merit to not "signalling our moves" to the enemy.

I've been paying attention, quite a bit, to the guy that interrogated (I'm never gonna spell this right) Khalid Sheik Mohammad and, years ago, Mohammad warned that the refugee program would be one of the ways that Al Qaeda/ISIS would attempt to infiltrate this country. I believe it's already happening, based upon some of the attacks we've endured, over the last few years, at least.

But, this interrogation expert shared something else, the other day, when he was asked about how ISIS (I think I may have to start using "DAESH") is using this "Muslim Ban" (which is neither aimed at Muslims nor a ban. It's a suspension, to allow us to set up better vetting. Something Ol' Dumbo Ears also did) as a propaganda tool.

He said that Mohammad told him that DAESH could (and would) use ANYTHING to their advantage. He said that Mohammad told him that if the U.S. threw open their doors, DAESH would claim "the great Satan is trying to lure them to its bosom in order to defile their faith with booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication."

I've been convinced for quite some time that nothing we do is going to be received well. This is a war against a religious ideology. Their leaders are not rational. It's why I giggle my ass off, every time someone claims: "They're using this as propaganda!" My first thought is: "Well, gee! I wouldn't want them getting angry with us. That might be bad."

The very argument kind of suggests that they've been our allies, to this point.



Michael

Bullshit Michael. None of the attacks here involved refugees.

More bigoted, fear mongering islamophobia

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

rights and privileges aside for a moment.

im not aware of anyone being deported in whats going on recently. they are being detained for whatever further scrutiny is deemed necessary. I just read that one of the Iraqi arrivals expressed dismay at being detained, but nevertheless came out of the airport glad to be in America and essentially saying we're the best place in the world.

im also not aware that the detainees are being treated inhumanely as someone above as suggested. presumably they are sheltered, fed, allowed freedom of movement though with some restrictions, and kept comfortable given the circumstances.

i understand most of the those detained have been released.

i found myself saddened and praying for the elderly woman from yemen with the heart condition and diabetes who came here to be with family. its unfortunate she was inconvenienced---but that's all it was, and also unfortunately, that is the nature of bureaucracy, they cannot deal with people quickly on an individual basis.

but that said, my goodness i feel proud as can be that we live in a country where people can come from all over the world to seek a better life to begin with. or that families already here can provide the same for their relatives.

and if you whining leftists cannot see that forest through the trees, you suck even more than i already think you do.

These people are being treated almost as bad as a 4th graders who chews his pop tart into the shape of a gun.

Bet you wish you'da thought of doing that instead of chewing the ass out of nutsuckers, welfare patient.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Bullshit Michael. None of the attacks here involved refugees.

More bigoted, fear mongering islamophobia

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Bullshit Michael. None of the attacks here involved refugees.

More bigoted, fear mongering islamophobia

Bullshit, vincent. The Tsarnaev brothers (Boston) and (I think?) the Ohio knife Jihadi fuckwit.

That's without doing any research.

Nice try, though. No cookies and milk for you. Come back ... one year.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The good news is that if Trump stays in power, no one will want to come to the US anymore.
Also, more people will leave.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
No cookies and milk for you. Come back ... one year.
Michael[/color]

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Being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right,”

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Being able to come home to the country that granted you permanent residency with a green card is a right.

The rest is religious persecution.

Spin and spin, but that's the truth of it.

Okay, you got me, here:

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr




The ONLY people with a RIGHT to enter this country were born here or nationalized to us.



Michael

Not only should I have used the word "natURalized", but I forgot to mention legal resident aliens and those who have been granted refugee status.

I goofed.



Michael

Noted and thanks.

As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal.

More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
-Emma Lazarus, The New Colossus.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You really don't get this America thing.

Maybe read the Constitution.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Now they're "RINOs"

Values are so 80s.

Awww, now you are all choked up because you miss the mythical Republican "values" that you make up in your dizzy blonde head, that insist that we need to let psychopathic death cult member in, en massse

How cute, just like a rabid snarling spraying skunk is cute

We learned long ago that nutsuckers have no values.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

Better shut down every gay nightclub etc, so we don't give ISIS propaganda fodder. Forrce our women to wear Burkahs, bow to Mecca. Can't give them any propaganda...

(Morons)

Well hell! Shut down every gay night club and close all the Malls so ISIS lacks targets.

Bigoted, fear mongering Islamophobe lying sack of shit.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal.

More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution.

I don't, for a moment, debate that the "roll-out" of this suspension was semi-botched. It needed to be better coordinated, to be sure.

On the other hand, there is some merit to not "signalling our moves" to the enemy.

I've been paying attention, quite a bit, to the guy that interrogated (I'm never gonna spell this right) Khalid Sheik Mohammad and, years ago, Mohammad warned that the refugee program would be one of the ways that Al Qaeda/ISIS would attempt to infiltrate this country. I believe it's already happening, based upon some of the attacks we've endured, over the last few years, at least.

But, this interrogation expert shared something else, the other day, when he was asked about how ISIS (I think I may have to start using "DAESH") is using this "Muslim Ban" (which is neither aimed at Muslims nor a ban. It's a suspension, to allow us to set up better vetting. Something Ol' Dumbo Ears also did) as a propaganda tool.

He said that Mohammad told him that DAESH could (and would) use ANYTHING to their advantage. He said that Mohammad told him that if the U.S. threw open their doors, DAESH would claim "the great Satan is trying to lure them to its bosom in order to defile their faith with booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication."

I've been convinced for quite some time that nothing we do is going to be received well. This is a war against a religious ideology. Their leaders are not rational. It's why I giggle my ass off, every time someone claims: "They're using this as propaganda!" My first thought is: "Well, gee! I wouldn't want them getting angry with us. That might be bad."

The very argument kind of suggests that they've been our allies, to this point.



Michael

Bullshit Michael. None of the attacks here involved refugees.

More bigoted, fear mongering islamophobia

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
No cookies and milk for you. Come back ... one year.
Michael

the cookie version of the soup Nazi!

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

As for privileges -- to grant a VISA, then revoke it while you're in the air, based on nothing but religion/country, is at best flakey, even if technically legal.

More broadly, it certainly looks like religious persecution.

I don't, for a moment, debate that the "roll-out" of this suspension was semi-botched. It needed to be better coordinated, to be sure.

On the other hand, there is some merit to not "signalling our moves" to the enemy.

I've been paying attention, quite a bit, to the guy that interrogated (I'm never gonna spell this right) Khalid Sheik Mohammad and, years ago, Mohammad warned that the refugee program would be one of the ways that Al Qaeda/ISIS would attempt to infiltrate this country. I believe it's already happening, based upon some of the attacks we've endured, over the last few years, at least.

But, this interrogation expert shared something else, the other day, when he was asked about how ISIS (I think I may have to start using "DAESH") is using this "Muslim Ban" (which is neither aimed at Muslims nor a ban. It's a suspension, to allow us to set up better vetting. Something Ol' Dumbo Ears also did) as a propaganda tool.

He said that Mohammad told him that DAESH could (and would) use ANYTHING to their advantage. He said that Mohammad told him that if the U.S. threw open their doors, DAESH would claim "the great Satan is trying to lure them to its bosom in order to defile their faith with booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication."

I've been convinced for quite some time that nothing we do is going to be received well. This is a war against a religious ideology. Their leaders are not rational. It's why I giggle my ass off, every time someone claims: "They're using this as propaganda!" My first thought is: "Well, gee! I wouldn't want them getting angry with us. That might be bad."

The very argument kind of suggests that they've been our allies, to this point.



Michael

Bullshit Michael. None of the attacks here involved refugees.

More bigoted, fear mongering islamophobia

Besides what's important here is that booze, cigarettes, drugs, and fornication...are a profit. In fact some of the greatest culturally enriching, profits of all in western society.

Ah, such piousness in great Christian America...is just breathtaking.