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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 5:09:43 AM   
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All empires have come to an end eventually. I don't see how a country this divided can stay together that much longer. Why wouldn't splitting into an ultra conservative and an ultra liberal countries be a good thing? Devil is in the details, of course, but neither side ever truly really gets to do what they want to do in this system. If the former Confederate states plus some of the Midwestern states were to be a separate country, why wouldn't everyone be happy?

Both would learn the foolishness of there positions.
The conservatives would have the resources to keep our commitments. And the liberals would find that disarmement and socialized medicine would make them safe.

How would the conservatives have the resources? red welfare states would lose all the federal reservations. they wouldnt have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 5:12:34 AM   
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But it was ok when Obama did it?


Obama wasn't insane.
It wasn't okay, but it didn't pose a threat to global stability.

If it is wrong for Trump to do it it was wrong for Obama to, Trump is not insane, but unlike Obama he is not ashamed to be an American.

Of course he is, his steel from china, his ties from china, and his hats from china.He doesnt pay his bills, and he is owned by russia. He is insane like any of the common nutsuckers.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 5:33:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		The nearly complete lack of discussion on the actual topic really exposes the amount of blindness in firmly grasping ideology.

If your state or region were a country -- not how you're pissed at Trump or celebrate Trump etc. -- not whether you'd actually want to do it -- not which ones you'd like to get rid of -- if YOUR state/region were a country, how would that work?

That's the topic. Please.

You want to bitch about current affairs, see all the other threads. Plenty of opportunity.


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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your state/region fare?

Are the differences so great that partisans don't want them solved? Will the US (eventually) split up?

How would your state/region fare?

California, New York, and Texas could probably make it as independent countries -- they have strong economies and sea ports, for example.

How would the split go? West Coast, Northeast, Texas, Heartland?

Here's where your state ranks by economy.

And here are the states compared to nations by economy.

Where would you fit?

And would you prefer a divided America?






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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 6:40:52 AM   
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OK, then.

Not sure how my own state would fare in that endeavor. After some rough going in the beginning we'd probably be alright, even having the largest black population of any state in the country.

Have you ever had a homeless person try to give you money? There's this guy who does that once or twice a month on my way walking to the grocery store. I throw $2-$5 to him and the others on a non-predictable basis, and some one or three of them think they "owe" me or something. Silly guys. Though one of them a gal, actually. The latter parks ~ 5-7 shopping carts on the sidewalk in front of the grocery store and spends her day re-arranging them. She probably makes a decent living from her contributors, and god bless her. She doesn't get kicked out of the grocery store when she lays her head on the table in the cafe section and sleeps. God bless them.

TBH, I don't even know what the rest of my state thinks, probably not even how the city I live adjacent to thinks. People in most southern states are more independent minded, not predictable in measure of politics or much anything else.

When was all that noise about Texas secession? Was it Obama's last election, or the first one? In any case, 'the usual idiots' from the state I reside in made their predictable feeble attempt at making political hay out of all the short straws they'd apparently been dealt in life by jumping on that bandwagon. Whereupon some of the 'powerful' folks in Atlanta said- "Fine, you guys go right ahead. We're drawing up papers for Atlanta to secede from the state of Georgia, as we speak, and we'll beat you to it."

Silence Is Golden.

You must admit, though, that it's somewhat a silly question. But seeing as how I dragged myself into it, regardless ...

So then, Georgia is cut off the federal funds for TANF and EBT cards (food 'stamps'). But then also relieved the burden of sending working people's tax dollars to oil companies and their cheap or free (Cali) drilling rights, and everybody else taking up the slack for their 'depletion allowance' tax deductions, all on the national meter. And paying for their very expensive wars, and inevitable subsequent 'national security' expense. And bailing out investment bankers, another tremendous expense. It would take some serious number crunching to suss all that out. Not up to the task here, personally.

But if you want to see 'expense' in the most real terms, just drive by the nearest VA hospital, as I do most every day, and wave to the guys missing one or two legs.

I can't imagine we'd be worse off, in any case.

Cali, with out all their defense contracts, or NY with out all the bailouts and financial subsidies ... who knows?

Not having to give worker's tax money to ExxonMobil in NY/NJ or defense contractors and Chevron in California or Haliburton in Houston or Goldman Sachs and AIG, et al. in NYC would save the rest of the states quite a bundle, no question.

And people residing in the latter would actually get to keep their houses in the bargain.

And maybe even their legs.



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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 11:05:27 AM   
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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 11:13:41 AM   
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Massachusetts would be fine. We have healthcare for everyone and have since Mitt Romney i believe. We have a good variety of tech based companies too.

And you would starve.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 11:35:29 AM   
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Massachusetts would be fine. We have healthcare for everyone and have since Mitt Romney i believe. We have a good variety of tech based companies too.

And you would starve.

No, they have goods and services to trade for. You would lose your welfare checks down there and it would be over quicker than the numerous surrenders you guys have performed already.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 12:50:49 PM   
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Massachusetts would be fine. We have healthcare for everyone and have since Mitt Romney i believe. We have a good variety of tech based companies too.



Well yeah, after all that financial fraud and theft, and that flood of money from working people in other states to bail out Mass. and Boston's financial fraud and theft, it's easy to be magnificent, no? But the question from the OP has inherent thereby that your state is cut off from federal funds.

Oh my.

Just imagine Mississippi workers not having to work till 3 O'clock every fucking day to pay for your and other wealth-sucking state's theft and excess?

No bail outs, no financial sector subsidies, no oil subsidies..

It wouldn't go well, there, in your state.

Absence of Mass. and CA and NY , OTOH, would be a great boon to the nation.

Seriously, I don't know why some people think in terms of secession when far greater advantage to the country would be obtained by terms of judicious eviction.

I would miss you greatly, I have to say.



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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 12:58:11 PM   
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Massachusetts would be fine. We have healthcare for everyone and have since Mitt Romney i believe. We have a good variety of tech based companies too.

And you would starve.


Not really. My family owns a 15 acre farm.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 1:05:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Think I threaded this a long time ago. What do I think? I think Scotland and England will split, sooner not later. I have said many nations are divided but do you know I’ve never seen one quite like Americashire. Possible – has anyone begun the legal process? California for instance: the world’s 5thish largest economy

Them and us – personally I don’t mind the English.

But you have someone not fit to be in office who got their by alienating the weak, meek, selfish, etc. Diametric opposites, I spose, that two party system, it will not end well. All it needed was a catalyst and low and behold monster…if he dosent manage to scorch the earth first. As I cant find the scorched earth Dcotor Who clip, not the black and white Twilight Zone one you will just need to make do with the Babtlon 5 one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkIuVLnsFE

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 1:10:31 PM   
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Massachusetts would be fine. We have healthcare for everyone and have since Mitt Romney i believe. We have a good variety of tech based companies too.

And you would starve.


Not really. My family owns a 15 acre farm.


And the state would be forced to take your food to help feed the rest.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 2:08:26 PM   
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Think I threaded this a long time ago. What do I think? I think Scotland and England will split, sooner not later. I have said many nations are divided but do you know I’ve never seen one quite like Americashire. Possible – has anyone begun the legal process? California for instance: the world’s 5thish largest economy

Them and us – personally I don’t mind the English.

But you have someone not fit to be in office who got their by alienating the weak, meek, selfish, etc.


Don't give up on the US just yet.

I myself was seeking NGO and 'cloud' funding for purpose of assembling a great number of 'girly mag' ladies to present to the prez himself upon waking, so as to distract him from otherwise further damage. I was going for the "pussy grabbing" distraction, there.

But my sisters and my nieces almost bit my ankles off for that endeavor, and who could blame them? Gotta think what you're actually doing sometimes, dammit. Objectification is not actually a useful political tool. Who'd have thunk it? It came to cross purposes, once I thought upon it, and in any case resulting in cross response from ladies I care about.

But "in other news" at least the US hasn't yet plunked it's fat arse upon Canada or Mexico, as per the thorn-in-butt position of the UK re Ireland.

We all struggle to learn, here.



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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 2:25:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ireland is not for me to comment on - most complex is their history and arse buggerings by the UK governments in days of Olde - Northern Ireland, which is the only nation of our lands I have never visited, voted to remain in....and I have no time for any sectarian nonsense...now the welsh what a meek lot.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 2:59:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		So its the Welsh who will inheret the earth, then.

Good info .

You guys are the best.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 3:04:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, just saw that calexit is actually on the 2018 ballot.

Don't think it's likely. But one step closer.

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 3:07:07 PM   
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So its the Welsh who will inheret the earth, then.




No that is the meek not the leek

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 3:24:45 PM   
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I didn't mean to dis-rail things here, sorry if that event.

The Cali exit thing came about some weeks before the election, it might have been even one of your own posts that brought it to attention.

Whatever the case, having that on the ballot moves it up a notch, and here we go ...

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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 3:52:51 PM   
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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 4:06:55 PM   
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So its the Welsh who will inheret the earth, then.


No that is the meek not the leek


So here I was, just trying to "make funny" in my own inheret-the-earth meek way, and some Canadian comes up and does a "smackdown!!"

Cruel, relentless, and unrelenting.

You bastards.

Yes, I was just joking, being facetious, etc,

I like you too, bro, but we've got a long slog ahead of us. here. Thankgoodness your country is at least someways protected.



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RE: Will the US split (eventually)? How would your sta... - 2/1/2017 4:18:36 PM   
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Are the differences so great that partisans don't want them solved? Will the US (eventually) split up?

How would your state/region fare?

California, New York, and Texas could probably make it as independent countries -- they have strong economies and sea ports, for example.

How would the split go? West Coast, Northeast, Texas, Heartland?

Here's where your state ranks by economy.

And here are the states compared to nations by economy.

Where would you fit?

And would you prefer a divided America?






It is assumed that if California tried to leave the rest of the states, there would be civil war. Yet there are actually several non-violent ways to bring California (or any state) to heel before such a thing.

First, it would need to be explained that their state, being in a state of rebellion would suffer consequences.
1. Freeze all CA based corporate and individual assets in the non-rebellious states.
2. All interstate water treaties are now null and void.
3. All interstate power transmission agreements are now null and void.
4. Sending treasury agents into the state to visit the various federally chartered banks starting with the multinationals and removing all currency from the state. The minute the state becomes aware of what is being done and starts opposing those efforts, cut the CA from the national and international banking system and let their economy die on the vine as well as cutting off the electricity and water and MAKE THEM turn over their leaders for trial and use every means possible to identify supporters of sedition, rebellions or insurrection and punish each and everyone of them to the maximum extent possible including loss of citizenship.


We would need to use the Monroe Doctrine to keep foreign powers such as N. Korea or China, out of California. This will allow time for the Californians to come to their senses.

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