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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You should read it. It begs the question. The op Maeve has have well been under construction. But it didn't move forward because it wasn't ready. Except to someone who doesn't care about facts and Intel. Got to see y'all killed 19 women and children killed in the $70 billion helicopter gone. Stupid. shortsighted. reckless.

You do get which president gave the order to go ahead with it, don't you?

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You should read it. It begs the question. The op Maeve has have well been under construction. But it didn't move forward because it wasn't ready. Except to someone who doesn't care about facts and Intel. Got to see y'all killed 19 women and children killed in the $70 billion helicopter gone. Stupid. shortsighted. reckless.

You do get which president gave the order to go ahead with it, don't you?

Both of them did, they were awaiting only a moonless night - that has been pointed out repeatedly.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The list of military Intel failures is long and marked through out history.

The operation was planned during the Obama administration, ordered by Trump and failed.

I would not compare it to Benghazi, but there are definite similarities to the Bay of Pigs.

It is not the first time a President gave the go ahead on an op that went south, it wont be the last.

So, in light of that, give it a rest, blasting Trump will not bring back the dead.

He went with the information he had, given him by the men that who were experts in this kind of operation, and it went south.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The list of military Intel failures is long and marked through out history.

The operation was planned during the Obama administration, ordered by Trump and failed.

I would not compare it to Benghazi, but there are definite similarities to the Bay of Pigs.

It is not the first time a President gave the go ahead on an op that went south, it wont be the last.

So, in light of that, give it a rest, blasting Trump will not bring back the dead.

He went with the information he had, given him by the men that who were experts in this kind of operation, and it went south.

From the Yahoo link:

But Colin Kahl, a former senior Obama administration security official, said on Twitter that "team Trump didn't do a careful vetting of the overall proposal or raid" and that Obama had taken no decision, believing the raid represented an escalation of US involvement in Yemen.

The operation was said to have targeted the houses of three tribal chiefs linked to Al-Qaeda and a Yemeni official said Apache gunships also hit a school, a mosque and a medical facility all used by Al-Qaeda militants.

The real problem as always, is that when Carter tried it, he was clearly incompetent, when Obama did anything he was either incompetent or too weak.

When Trump does it...oh well, shit happens.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In the real world, facts do matter.

Well let's go with that. If "the plan had been under consideration since November 7, and officials under the administration of Barack Obama reviewed and approved it January 6," then the failures in intelligence and planning would seem to devolve upon the Obama administration, leaving Trump guilty at worst of relying on the previous administration's assessment. One might also wonder if these unnamed "officials" cited by Reuters expressed their view prior to the raid, and whether it was considered to have merit by the military entities charged with carrying out the plan.

K.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You should read it. It begs the question. The op Maeve has have well been under construction. But it didn't move forward because it wasn't ready. Except to someone who doesn't care about facts and Intel. Got to see y'all killed 19 women and children killed in the $70 billion helicopter gone. Stupid. shortsighted. reckless.

You do get which president gave the order to go ahead with it, don't you?

Both of them did, they were awaiting only a moonless night - that has been pointed out repeatedly.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You should read it. It begs the question. The op Maeve has have well been under construction. But it didn't move forward because it wasn't ready. Except to someone who doesn't care about facts and Intel. Got to see y'all killed 19 women and children killed in the $70 billion helicopter gone. Stupid. shortsighted. reckless.

You do get which president gave the order to go ahead with it, don't you?

Both of them did, they were awaiting only a moonless night - that has been pointed out repeatedly.

Dumb.
Short-sighted.
Reckless. Dead SEAL.
19 dead women and children.
1 $70 million helicopter gone.

Dumb. Short-sighted. Reckless.

Is the moron president or not? Is he responsible or not?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tj444

Yeah, just like Bush did illegally invading Iraq and how many thousands did that kill (& continue to kill)? plus the trillions it has cost y'all and the egg on yer face, the world will never let you forget that fiasco, ever.. Apparently Repub Prez's dont learn from history, I see this as being the first of many, many military disasters for Trump & the American military.. Dont expect things to get better, Trump is 70 and is gonna keep doing things "his way" and everyone else be damned.. no matter how many people die as a result..

Except:
1) Bush was told that the US did not have enough active duty troops to conduct a two theater war.
2) Every reason that Bush gave for the invasion was absolute and utter bullshit.
A) Iraq was in position of WMD's.
>The only WMD's discovered after the invasion were useless chemical rounds scattered in a disposal area due to the fact
the agent had long since gone inert and therefore the only danger the rounds were to anyone is if they physically hit
somebody.
B) Iraq was an active supporter of Al Qaeda
> Saddam's support of Al Qaeda was clear in view of the fact Bin Laden wanted Saddam dead, and every Al Qaeda operative
captured by Saddam's overt and covert police was executed without trial.
C) Saddam's military was a threat to the region
> After the first Gulf War, Saddam's military was only a threat to his own people, since due to the sanctions and trade embargo
he could not get parts for his Warsaw pact military equipment
3) And there is the fact that every general in the pentagon that disagreed with President Bush was either fired or forced to retire.

But, yeah, other than that, everything was sorta the same.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If he acts without sufficient intel (vs. perfect, moron), it's not preventing anything -- it's dumb, short-sighted, reckless. Otherwise, you risk it being exactly the disaster it became. Amateur night, and people were slaughtered because of it -- not saved from slaughter.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If he acts without sufficient intel (vs. perfect, moron), it's not preventing anything -- it's dumb, short-sighted, reckless. Otherwise, you risk it being exactly the disaster it became. Amateur night, and people were slaughtered because of it -- not saved from slaughter.

You don't know what the intel was, but you preach like you think you do. The best laid plans and all that

You are just such a blind partisan that reality doesn't exist for you Two presidents gave that operation a thumbs up but you have convinced yourself that you know all of the details better than anyone

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If he acts without sufficient intel (vs. perfect, moron), it's not preventing anything -- it's dumb, short-sighted, reckless. Otherwise, you risk it being exactly the disaster it became. Amateur night, and people were slaughtered because of it -- not saved from slaughter.

You don't know what the intel was, but you preach like you think you do. The best laid plans and all that

You are just such a blind partisan that reality doesn't exist for you Two presidents gave that operation a thumbs up but you have convinced yourself that you know all of the details better than anyone

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Who's president now? We have two of them?

No doubt, you're appreciating President Carter's raid on Iran now.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In the real world, facts do matter.

Well let's go with that. If "the plan had been under consideration since November 7, and officials under the administration of Barack Obama reviewed and approved it January 6," then the failures in intelligence and planning would seem to devolve upon the Obama administration, leaving Trump guilty at worst of relying on the previous administration's assessment. One might also wonder if these unnamed "officials" cited by Reuters expressed their view prior to the raid, and whether it was considered to have merit by the military entities charged with carrying out the plan.

K.

While I totally agree with you, I am not sure why you bother. People were blaming shit on the clown before he ever took office. From this point forward every thing will be down to him no matter what facts may say. But it is nice to see them taking notice of the casualties of war again. They seemed to have lost interest in it for the past 8 years.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Who's president now? We have two of them?

No doubt, you're appreciating President Carter's raid on Iran now.

The original operational plan was approved by Obama, and was not given a go order because they were waiting for a moonless night, which did not happen until Trump took office.

So, yes, two presidents approved the plan.

It has been covered fairly well on these points in the news.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
It was PLANNED under Obama.
He didn't approve it.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
It was PLANNED under Obama.
He didn't approve it.

Obama did approve it. The orders was to wait until a moon-less night to execute. So by the time the moon-less night happen, he is no longer President.