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Mundial -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 6:52:19 PM)
And some people here argue that there is no Islamophobia! Just look at the postings above. So many of them are dripping with hatred of things Muslim. Yet despite extreme bias and anti-Muslim propaganda this religion is growing everywhere. Despite Jewish groups demonizing Islam it is the fastest growing religion throughout the world, expected to expand to 2.3 billion by 2050. For example - Britain sees about 5,200 conversions a year, 20,000 in the United States convert to Islam every year, 7,000 in France, 10,000 in Russia. Islamophobia is on the rise in the "West" but so is Islam.

BoscoX -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 7:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mundial And some people here argue that there is no Islamophobia! Just look at the postings above. So many of them are dripping with hatred of things Muslim. Yet despite extreme bias and anti-Muslim propaganda this religion is growing everywhere. Despite Jewish groups demonizing Islam it is the fastest growing religion throughout the world, expected to expand to 2.3 billion by 2050. For example - Britain sees about 5,200 conversions a year, 20,000 in the United States convert to Islam every year, 7,000 in France, 10,000 in Russia. Islamophobia is on the rise in the "West" but so is Islam. Because all of their multiple child slave wives are forced to have twelve kids each

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 7:13:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mundial And some people here argue that there is no Islamophobia! Just look at the postings above. So many of them are dripping with hatred of things Muslim. Yet despite extreme bias and anti-Muslim propaganda this religion is growing everywhere. Despite Jewish groups demonizing Islam it is the fastest growing religion throughout the world, expected to expand to 2.3 billion by 2050. For example - Britain sees about 5,200 conversions a year, 20,000 in the United States convert to Islam every year, 7,000 in France, 10,000 in Russia. Islamophobia is on the rise in the "West" but so is Islam. Why shouldn't I hate all things Muslim? Being a Muslim means that you are legally allowed to beat your wife and encouraged. Being Muslims means that, you are allowed to marry pre-puberscent children who haven't menstruate yet, and they even have divorce laws to take care of how you can properly divorce your pre-puberscent wife after you get sick of fucking her. Being Muslim means that, you want to put LGBT people to death. Being Muslim means that they want to kill their Ex-Muslims, anybody who enters Islam and wants to leave must be killed. What's not to hate? What is positive about that religion precisely? All we can rely on is hope Muslims do not follow Islam to be peaceful. If they all were pious. We are all fucked. Fortunately, many Muslims are flawed humans who will be unable to follow all their Islamic teachings. But it is an evil ideology that needs to be shut down.

GaryWilcox -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 7:53:28 PM)
Fact checking for fun. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Why shouldn't I hate all things Muslim? Being a Muslim means that you are legally allowed to beat your wife and encouraged. TRUE, if you take out the word LEGAL. Violence to a spouse is accepted in several passage of the Qur'an. In SHARIA LAW, it is legal. But Sharia Law is not about Islam anymore than trying to end abortion is actually about Christianity. It's about controlling other people. I assume you know that Old Testament also says this, too. And up until 1994, hitting your wife was just as legal in America. (Cops did intervene before that, but were not required to under a Federal law-- that was left open, state-to-state.) quote: Being Muslims means that, you are allowed to marry pre-puberscent children who haven't menstruate yet, and they even have divorce laws to take care of how you can properly divorce your pre-puberscent wife after you get sick of fucking her. TRUE, again, if you mean under Sharia Law. Obviously, not legal in countries that do not follow Sharia Law. Age of consent in America has not always been 18; there's some fascinating info here about the history of the Age of Consent everywhere. quote: Being Muslim means that, you want to put LGBT people to death. FALSE. Not all Muslims want to put LGBT people to death. Nor is that central to Islam. The Qur'an in fact teaches tolerance and 'you work on you' concepts, much as the New Testament tells people not to throw stones, whilst assholes line up the Leviticus all the time. quote: Being Muslim means that they want to kill their Ex-Muslims, anybody who enters Islam and wants to leave must be killed. FALSE, again, same as before. Like Christians. the goal is always to share 'the good word' and convert others, but only radicals want to kill people who leave the religion, just as only Christian radicals want to kill those who turn their back on the faith. quote: What's not to hate? What is positive about that religion precisely? Because of all the negatives above-- it's true that there are places where these hideous ways are considered normal-- you have *every right* to show up and say, "I'm never gonna give Islam a chance." It's just that you are lumping all of the good in with all of the bad, and accusing innocents of the crimes of others. I am done with all religion. But I don't hate Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, or Hindus, or Buddhists, or Odinists, or Pagans. To me, it's all a lot of crap and myths and moral judgments that ask me to fear the afterlife and make this life considerably harder for myself. There are nice things to take from all religions, but I grow weary of how often religion is used to tell someone else who to be for another person's comfort and convenience-- how often people use it to justify horror and hatred. I'm a lot more interested in how a church treats its community and its followers than what it can do for me in the afterlife. You have been strongly turned against Muslims, and likely do not know any Muslims to have personal context-- so any hateful statement ever made has given you an unfair view. It might be useful to make a Muslim acquaintance and learn more about what they actually believe, instead of what folks who hate and fear them have told you is the truth about Muslims. If this is abhorrent to you, that's okay, but you are living in the ignorance of never knowing anyone who is Muslim closely and personally, and you should know, that means you do not have any fair context to judge them all together.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 8:37:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GaryWilcox quote: Being Muslim means that they want to kill their Ex-Muslims, anybody who enters Islam and wants to leave must be killed. FALSE, again, same as before. Like Christians. the goal is always to share 'the good word' and convert others, but only radicals want to kill people who leave the religion, just as only Christian radicals want to kill those who turn their back on the faith. Both moderate Muslim countries, Malaysia and Indonesia puts Ex-Muslims to death. So exactly how is this that radicals only do it. Majority of Muslim countries put Ex-Muslims to death. That ITSELF makes this religion COMPLETELY evil! quote: You have been strongly turned against Muslims, and likely do not know any Muslims to have personal context-- so any hateful statement ever made has given you an unfair view. It might be useful to make a Muslim acquaintance and learn more about what they actually believe, instead of what folks who hate and fear them have told you is the truth about Muslims. If this is abhorrent to you, that's okay, but you are living in the ignorance of never knowing anyone who is Muslim closely and personally, and you should know, that means you do not have any fair context to judge them all together. This is an ignorant statement. Since I grew up in a country that allows Sharia Law, and I spend 50% of my time in Malaysia, A Muslim nation. And I was baby sitted from 8yrs old to 12 old by a Muslim family, where they pick me from my home, and send me to school, and then fetch me from school, hang out in their homes, UNTIL my parents come and pick me up at night. My best girlfriend is the daughter of this Muslim family. I know Muslims. I grew up with them. I probably know them more intimately than most of you, since I practically grew up with a Muslim family. And what they believe in privately. And recently, I have refused to have sex with an Ex-Muslim. Who grew up as a normal Muslim. Attended Mosque, learn Arabic, pretty much, normal Muslim life. And I told him exactly why I will never fuck a Muslim man or anyone who supports that atrocious religion. And he told me he does not disagree with anything I have said. It is all true. It is why he left.

GaryWilcox -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 8:55:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Both moderate Muslim countries, Malaysia and Indonesia puts Ex-Muslims to death Again, this is Shariah law we are talking about. Shariah courts in Malaysia are putting apostates to death. Shariah is not moderate. Indonesia does NOT put ex-Muslims to death. Not true. It does imprison them, but does not kill them (legally, although mob rule and death threats are certainly possible). quote: So exactly how is this that radicals only do it. Majority of Muslim countries put Ex-Muslims to death. That ITSELF makes this religion COMPLETELY evil! FALSE. 8 out of 20 nations consider apostasy a capital offense. 2/5, while way too many, is not a majority. (It is important to research this stuff if you're going to present it to others here as fact.) And jumping from "some countries do this evil thing in the name of this religion' to 'this proves this religion is EVIL!' is bad logic. quote: This is an ignorant statement. Since I grew up in a country that allows Sharia Law, and I spend 50% of my time in Malaysia, A Muslim nation. And I was baby sitted from 8yrs old to 12 old by a Muslim family, where they pick me from my home, and send me to school, and then fetch me from school, hang out in their homes, UNTIL my parents come and pick me up at night. My best girlfriend is the daughter of this Muslim family. I know Muslims. I grew up with them. I probably know them more intimately than most of you, since I practically grew up with a Muslim family. Please accept my sincere apology-- you do have personal experience within Shariah law, and admittedly more directly than I have ever experienced it. For that, I am most sorry for you. I have known Muslims not under Shariah law, and I have never found them to be hateful and destructive, let alone evil, either in the U.S. or in the U.K. I have met some very messed up Christians and Odinists, but even these people I would not call evil... just twisted and sad.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 9:12:16 PM)
quote: FALSE. 8 out of 20 nations consider apostasy a capital offense. 2/5, while way too many, is not a majority. (It is important to research this stuff if you're going to present it to others here as fact.) If you double check this again. While some may not put them to death. But most definitely, almost ALL of them jail Ex-Muslims for leaving Islam. To me, any criminal enforcement to punish Muslims for leaving their religion is an EVIL act! And this is done by sane WHOLE countries that have majority Muslims living in them. I can't think of a better reason that Islam should be eradicated IF they are preventing people from leaving Islam by force. The problem is, then you get bleeding hearts liberals who often confuse "eradicating Islam" with "Killing all Muslims". And distract from the issue by claiming, we want Muslims people dead. Usually we are talking about eradicating an ideology to make it less popular. Currently, with 1.6 billion members of this ideology. That is way tooo much! We need to reduce their members to Nazi level population! And that is what I am talking about. How ever many people who subscribe to Nazi ideology is left on this earth today, is for me, the goal it should be to reduce Islam to. By the way, the reason why Muslims in non-Muslim countries are seen as "peaceful" because they are in a non-Muslim country after all and cannot practice the full extent of Islam. It does not make Islam more peaceful. It simply means, they do have something hanging above their heads not to practice some aspects of Islam. As it will trespass non-Muslim country laws. And I am sure many don't want to go to jail as well. Yet, if you are from the UK for example. There are sooooo many illegal shariah courts being conducted and the UK government isn't shutting them down. Atrocious female brutality is probably being used as punishment, and if these women were drabbed from head to toe and only show eyes. Their wounds will never be seen in the public eye. Which is exactly why Theresa May wants to officially allow Shariah Court in the UK, so she can monitor them and protect women, so regulate what is allowed and what's not allowed. As it's been hard cracking down on all the illegal ones. She estimated more than 100 illegal Shariah courts exists in UK alone.

GaryWilcox -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 9:36:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 If you double check this again. While some may not put them to death. But most definitely, almost ALL of them jail Ex-Muslims for leaving Islam. TRUE, but you did say execute, not imprison, so that's the statistic I checked. (Both are wrong, but there's a bit of difference.) You need to do this yourself, instead of making me do your leg work! quote: The problem is, then you get bleeding hearts liberals who often confuse "eradicting Islam" with "Killing all Muslims". And distract from the issue by claiming, we want Muslims people dead. For a lot of Muslims, taking away their religion is effectively murdering them, as it might be to have your religion taken from you, if you have one. quote: Usually we are talking about eradicating an ideology to make it less popular. Currently, with 1.6 billion members of this ideology. That is way tooo much! We need to reduce their members to Nazi level population! And that is what I am talking about. This is a fascist line. Please understand that I'm not saying that to be insulting or to put you down; I'm saying that the statement qualifies as fascism.

DaddySatyr -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 9:37:24 PM)
Yeah, I just saw a news report, the other night of this horrible incident in Chad where a Christian extremist went on a spree and started beheading (some) people (after asking them to recite the Lord's Prayer) and shooting others. The death toll was in the dozens and, the Extremist said that he did it because the "Godless heathens deserved it since they are non-believers" This on the heels of all the other Christian Extremist massacres over the last 2 centuries or so ... [/sarcasm] That "66%" (which I doubt) were, obviously very well chosen for political ideology. Michael

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 9:39:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GaryWilcox quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 If you double check this again. While some may not put them to death. But most definitely, almost ALL of them jail Ex-Muslims for leaving Islam. TRUE, but you did say execute, not imprison, so that's the statistic I checked. (Both are wrong, but there's a bit of difference.) You need to do this yourself, instead of making me do your leg work! quote: The problem is, then you get bleeding hearts liberals who often confuse "eradicting Islam" with "Killing all Muslims". And distract from the issue by claiming, we want Muslims people dead. For a lot of Muslims, taking away their religion is effectively murdering them, as it might be to have your religion taken from you, if you have one. quote: Usually we are talking about eradicating an ideology to make it less popular. Currently, with 1.6 billion members of this ideology. That is way tooo much! We need to reduce their members to Nazi level population! And that is what I am talking about. This is a fascist line. Please understand that I'm not saying that to be insulting or to put you down; I'm saying that the statement qualifies as fascism. To everything... there is a season... and a time for every purpose under heaven.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/25/2017 10:28:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GaryWilcox but you did say execute, not imprison, so that's the statistic I checked. (Both are wrong, but there's a bit of difference.) You need to do this yourself, instead of making me do your leg work! I always say "Kill", because I see imprisonment for leaving an ideology to be just as good as taking away somebody's life for nothing. But my whole point is, there is punishment for leaving Islam in whole sane Muslim countries. This isn't radicalism. This is pure Islam. Even moderate version of Islam. quote: For a lot of Muslims, taking away their religion is effectively murdering them, as it might be to have your religion taken from you, if you have one. But I am not suggesting to take away their religion by force. I am suggesting that we Treat Islam like Nazism, where it is universally recognised as NOT A PEACEFUL ideology. This way, Muslims can choose whether to stay Muslim or to leave. Right now, there is confusion. Because people know it's not peaceful and yet you got the whole world insisting it's peaceful. Thus making all the Muslims who wants to leave even more trapped. It's like, how can they justify leaving if Islam is hailed at the most peaceful religion on earth! It's like every child in school is probably taught that Nazism is evil right? Why can't the same be done for Islam? They are equally bad, both of them! quote: Usually we are talking about eradicating an ideology to make it less popular. Currently, with 1.6 billion members of this ideology. That is way tooo much! We need to reduce their members to Nazi level population! And that is what I am talking about. quote: This is a fascist line. Please understand that I'm not saying that to be insulting or to put you down; I'm saying that the statement qualifies as fascism. Again, my solution isn't fascist. It's education with correct information. Currently, the whole world identifies Islam as a peaceful ideology. Which is completely false. It's misinformation out there to the masses at the moment. And it's empowering Islam, including their super radical branch. The fact that they punish people who wants to leave legally should make their entire organization officially AGAINST basic human rights to Freedom of Religion. And the thing that irks me is, there are many people who makes points about Christianity being evil too. I PERSONALLY think the Christian God who is the same God in Islam ANYWAY, IS evil. But somehow Jesus soften Christianity ALOT and went against the old Testament. So he was Christianity last prophet, and that's the last example Christians have to follow. I don't see Jesus as a war mongering killer. Muhammad on the other hand......., what kind of role model is that? For peace? Worst of all, he came AFTER Jesus and wants to Bring the whole Old Testament back to modern times! The point is, I think many Christians don't even get upset being labelled as evil because it's so laughable. But I think Muslims get so offended because there is so much truth to it!

bounty44 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 5:03:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mundial And some people here argue that there is no Islamophobia! Just look at the postings above. So many of them are dripping with hatred of things Muslim. Yet despite extreme bias and anti-Muslim propaganda this religion is growing everywhere. Despite Jewish groups demonizing Islam it is the fastest growing religion throughout the world, expected to expand to 2.3 billion by 2050. For example - Britain sees about 5,200 conversions a year, 20,000 in the United States convert to Islam every year, 7,000 in France, 10,000 in Russia. Islamophobia is on the rise in the "West" but so is Islam. see if you can step outside your leftie paradigm for just a moment and understand that its quite possible for people who are well-reasoned and thoughtful to have genuinely studied an issue, and find they come down on a different side of that issue than you, and the impetus of that different side has little to do with "fear" in the classic sense but rather is driven by a philosophical worldview decision they rationally chose to make.

Musicmystery -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 5:33:44 AM)
Can YOU do that? Because there's far more hysteria than logic and evidence for this blanket reaction to Islam. If 1.6 billion Muslims were coming for you, they'd do a better job than this.

thompsonx -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 5:40:14 AM)
ORIGINAL: BoscoX Because all of their multiple child slave wives are forced to have twelve kids each Cite please

Musicmystery -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 5:44:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Mundial And some people here argue that there is no Islamophobia! Just look at the postings above. So many of them are dripping with hatred of things Muslim. Yet despite extreme bias and anti-Muslim propaganda this religion is growing everywhere. Despite Jewish groups demonizing Islam it is the fastest growing religion throughout the world, expected to expand to 2.3 billion by 2050. For example - Britain sees about 5,200 conversions a year, 20,000 in the United States convert to Islam every year, 7,000 in France, 10,000 in Russia. Islamophobia is on the rise in the "West" but so is Islam. Because all of their multiple child slave wives are forced to have twelve kids each The Amish are rapidly growing too. Will they be the next target of conservative hysteria? One conservative perpetual candidate here believes so -- keeps campaigning against the "outrage" that they get to use the roads due to "religious freedom run amuk."

BoscoX -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 6:48:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery If 1.6 billion Muslims were coming for you, they'd do a better job than this. Muslims have been coming for 1400 years, and in that relatively short period of time they have forced 1/3 of the world to submit already. And Muslims did declare jihad on Western civilization back in WW I, when they were more organized under the Ottoman Empire. We prevailed though, and we scattered their parts pretty good. Yet their blood-soaked book still demands they keep slaughtering us, men, women, and children, until they achieve their goal of dominating the world in the name of Allah. Their book also gives them instructions on how to wage jihad (through the use of horrific acts of terrorism) until submission is obtained. Which, by the way, Islam means "submit". And Muslims are promised many rape slaves as part of the reward for doing battle, both here and in the afterlife, even an eternal erection to rape with after they die. With that in mind, and as poor and backward and as disorganized as they are, as a whole - what do you think their continued march toward world domination might look like. That's right - exactly like it looks right now.

mnottertail -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 7:00:05 AM)
And how much of the world do xtians 'own'?

GaryWilcox -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 7:06:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Again, my solution isn't fascist. It's education with correct information. Currently, the whole world identifies Islam as a peaceful ideology. Which is completely false. It's misinformation out there to the masses at the moment. And it's empowering Islam, including their super radical branch. The fact that they punish people who wants to leave legally should make their entire organization officially AGAINST basic human rights to Freedom of Religion. Just to be clear: trying to eradicate a religion is fascist. There is just no getting around that fact, Greta. It's not about the religion, it's about the region. There have been Muslim jihadists in America who gave aid to our enemies whilst enjoying the freedoms and safety of being an American, it is true. But there have been MANY MORE supposed 'Christians' who have murdered in the name of God in America. The last one got taken to Burger King by the cops after he shot up a Christian church.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 7:23:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GaryWilcox Just to be clear: trying to eradicate a religion is fascist. There is just no getting around that fact, Greta. Trying to eradicate a dangerous ideology to the world is not fascism. Especially if the result of that would be freedom for many trapped in Islam against their will. quote: But there have been MANY MORE supposed 'Christians' who have murdered in the name of God in America. The last one got taken to Burger King by the cops after he shot up a Christian church. The simple difference for this is. When Muslims kill or donate money to ISIS to support Jihadist. They are simply obeying their Quran or Muhammad's orders. Which are orders from their Allah. When a Christian take matters into their own hands and kill. That is not a directive from Jesus for sure! Jesus told them very clearly not to take matters into their own hands and leave punishment to after-life. So they were disobeying their own religion to commit these crimes. And I am pretty sure the punishment for them in after life will probably be hell. According to how it works in Christianity. But when Muslim does it. He is honouring Allah and will be rewarded in heaven for it. Don't you see the difference?

BoscoX -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/26/2017 7:26:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GaryWilcox quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Again, my solution isn't fascist. It's education with correct information. Currently, the whole world identifies Islam as a peaceful ideology. Which is completely false. It's misinformation out there to the masses at the moment. And it's empowering Islam, including their super radical branch. The fact that they punish people who wants to leave legally should make their entire organization officially AGAINST basic human rights to Freedom of Religion. Just to be clear: trying to eradicate a religion is fascist. There is just no getting around that fact, Greta. It's not about the religion, it's about the region. There have been Muslim jihadists in America who gave aid to our enemies whilst enjoying the freedoms and safety of being an American, it is true. But there have been MANY MORE supposed 'Christians' who have murdered in the name of God in America. The last one got taken to Burger King by the cops after he shot up a Christian church. It's a death cult, not a religion. The punishment for not joining is death. The punishment for leaving is death.

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