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Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:26:59 AM   
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'Enemies of the people'

At a different time, in another country, it was effectively a death sentence.
Being branded an "enemy of the people" by the likes of Stalin or Mao brought at best suspicion and stigma, at worst hard labour or death.

Now the chilling phrase - which is at least as old as Emperor Nero, who was called "hostis publicus", enemy of the public, by the Senate in AD 68 - is making something of a comeback.
In November, the UK Daily Mail used its entire front page to brand three judges enemies of the people after they made a ruling on the Brexit process.
Now the US president, Donald Trump, has deployed the epithet against mainstream US media outlets that he sees as hostile.

"The FAKE NEWS media (failing New York Times, NBC News, ABC, CBS, CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!" the president wrote on Twitter.

The reaction was swift. "Every president is irritated by the news media. No other president would have described the media as 'the enemy of the people'", tweeted David Axelrod, a former adviser to President Barack Obama.

Steve Silberman, an award-winning writer and journalist, wondered whether the remark would prompt Trump supporters to shoot at journalists.

And that might not be a far-fetched concern. Late last year, a Trump supporter opened fire in a pizza restaurant at the centre of a bizarre conspiracy theory about child abuse.

The US president's use of "enemies of the people" raises unavoidable echoes of some of history's most murderous dictators.
Under Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, out-of-favour artists and politicians were designated enemies and many were sent to hard labour camps or killed. Others were stigmatised and denied access to education and employment.

And Chairman Mao, the leader of China who presided over the deaths of millions of people in a famine brought about by his Great Leap Forward, was also known to use the phrase against anyone who opposed him, with terrible consequences.

"Charming that our uneducated President manages to channel the words of Stalin and fails to hear the historical resonance of this phrase," tweeted Mitchell Orenstein, a professor of Russian and East European studies at the University of Pennsylvania.

Mr Trump is not the first US president or politician to have an antagonistic relationship with the media, and Richard Nixon is known to have privately referred to the press as "the enemy". But the president's latest broadside, with all its attendant historical echoes, is unprecedented.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:44:13 AM   
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Unprecedented, alarming, dangerous, callous. Reminiscent of dictators...

At no point does the beeb article even touch the only question that matters:

Is it so?

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:46:35 AM   
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In as much as the MSM has become nothing more than the Propaganda Ministry of the DNC and to the extent that the DNC is a detriment to "American Values", I don't see the statement being that far out of line.



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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:53:41 AM   
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In as much as the MSM has become nothing more than the Propaganda Ministry of the DNC and to the extent that the DNC is a detriment to "American Values", I don't see the statement being that far out of line.



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Were you equally phlegmatic when it was Obama complaining about Fox and the rest of News International's bias in reporting, or is it only Republican presidents who get a free pass for complaining about press freedom from you?

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 7:05:22 AM   
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See my post here for a pretty good example of how this works

Mainstream media screams "TRUMP IS A RACIST" and uses edited video to further the divisive propaganda

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 7:08:31 AM   
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Probably because Trump kept screaming "Mexican rapists! Muslim refugee terrorists!"

That kind of thing could make some people see his remarks as racist.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 8:04:16 AM   
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Probably because Trump kept screaming "Mexican rapists! Muslim refugee terrorists!"

That kind of thing could make some people see his remarks as racist.


"Kept screaming "

I swear to the gods, put down the meth pipe and try to grow up.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 8:11:48 AM   
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Probably because Trump kept screaming "Mexican rapists! Muslim refugee terrorists!"

That kind of thing could make some people see his remarks as racist.


"Kept screaming "

I swear to the gods, put down the meth pipe and try to grow up.

If I didn't know for a fact that you were mad keen on ad hominems during your last incarnation on here, I'd be wondering if the Republicans on here weren't lowering the standards of their discourse to match that of their new leader.
But I know you used to be Sanity, and that you've always talked this sort of hysterical obnoxious shite whoever's in the white house, so you don't get to use that as an excuse.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 8:34:17 AM   
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I swear to the gods, put down the meth pipe and try to grow up.


Stop phoquing that chinese pot bellied pig in the ass and get your own meth pipe.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 8:46:12 AM   
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BoscoX I've posted the mans CV before. It makes for horrific reading. Why he is president of the United States is a complete mystery to me. To me he is racist, homophobic, a pig of a man, lying dim wit, warper of even alternative facts and indeed even his own words, deluded beyond all comprehension, off his fuking nut...I can go on if you like?

To me he has entertainment value – I am simply curious to how much he will get away with, or how much the pinko commie republicans senate pish swamp will enable him – when are the half term elections anyhoos.

But he also has the potential to wreck America, the planet, start a war, launch...



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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 8:51:31 AM   
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dear wicked what is your real name, I am Terri . xx
ps lucid once again omg. no pills today for you.xx

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 9:07:39 AM   
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WickedsDesire: I must say that must of what you say is off the wall. Yet today you make a point that is worth reading (I am surprised). It is true that words have meanings and it is not productive for Trump to call the press an enemy of the people. I must refer you back to the news conference he gave, there you will see more of what he was talking about. When the AP puts out a ‘fake news’ story about the guard rounding up illegals it then has an effect more so than Trump twitting the news is an enemy. I do feel the AP sure did not help the clam the illegals with that story. One thing we can all agree on no matter what side of pollical spectrum you are on, there is no way forward to remove all illegals in this country. That said why then must the press keep tormenting the population with ‘fake news’.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 9:33:00 AM   
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When the AP puts out a ‘fake news’ story about the guard rounding up illegals


The ap story I read quoted from a dhs memmo and did not say that the n.g. had actually done anything.
Do you have a link to the story that you claim they printed?



That said why then must the press keep tormenting the population with ‘fake news’.


Which "fake news" are you speaking of?
The story that conway was pimping dumb don's daughters products?
The one where conway referenced the bowling green masacre not once but twice even after being told she was mistaken?
The one that said flynn was illegally discussing sanction issues with the russians?
The one that said that a half dozen of the white house staff had to be removed because they could not pass the background check?
The one that points out that pretaeus was convicterd of sharing classified documents with his girlfriend to enhance his book deal?
The one that pointed out dumb don's six bankruptsies?
The one that pointed out his bastard child?


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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 9:35:12 AM   
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Jamie you mad bint - it’s not a secret.......

So you firstly declare that I am full of shit may-perhaps you have some factual evidence/narration to back this up - an interesting stratagem, known as trumpaloons dark stratagem of lying fukery, to adopt with me wicked reaches for his knobkerrie of enlightenment….best I make it two for you…maybe even a tree’s worth as there is much work to be done with you.

Then you go onto waffle One thing we can all agree on I find that statement somewhat erroneous full of shit. You can lie on your own deluded behalf but do not dare drag me in that collective we.

From the beginning I referred to it as creature/monster – I often backed that up with facts and my reasons for doing so: based on everything he said on camera some of which I still can’t believe….so my own unbiased opinion…I really do keep them that way. But tell you what lets see who else says words takin to mine http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38991171

Trump's mental health debate: What is it about?

It seems an incredible question to ask of a man who ran a multi-billion-dollar business and vanquished seasoned political opponents on his way to highest office in the US. But experts are debating the mental health of the US president.

The discussion of Donald Trump's mental health has come to the fore following an open letter from dozens of professionals who say his "grave emotional instability" make him unfit for the presidency.

The call seems to break a long-standing rule among experts of not diagnosing public people, and has been condemned by a leading psychiatrist, who described the "psychiatric name-calling" as an insult to the mentally ill.

What is it about?
Debate over Mr Trump's mental fitness is nothing new, and existed even before his election, last November.

But the majority of mental health professionals have refrained from making public statements, following a self-imposed principle known as the "Goldwater rule", adopted by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) in 1973.

It prohibits psychiatrists from giving diagnosis about someone they have not personally evaluated. It was instated after a magazine asked thousands of experts in 1964 whether Republican nominee Barry Goldwater was psychologically fit to be president.

The APA warned last year that breaking the rule in trying to analyse the candidates in the presidential election was "irresponsible, potentially stigmatising, and definitely unethical".


you believe me unfair or simply guilty on picking on a monster?

I also believe he will go off his rocker tonight on his twattery account of lies Presuming he is not at some diplomatic dinner, etc

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 10:13:10 AM   
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When the AP puts out a ‘fake news’ story about the guard rounding up illegals it then has an effect more so than Trump twitting the news is an enemy.


Could you link us to that "fake news" story.
The ap article I read quoted a memmo from dhs which dhs acknowledged was factual.
Have you some countervailing data?


That said why then must the press keep tormenting the population with ‘fake news’.


Which "fake news" are you referencing?
The "fake news" about his bastard child?
The "fake news" about his half dozen bankruptsies?
The fake news about his "grab them by the pussy"?
The fake news about flynn being fired?
The fake news about conway pimping his daughters product on company time?
The fake news about the "bowling green masacre"?


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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 10:47:59 AM   
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I am pretty sure he is at some level of manic right now. Being manic in itself isn't a bad thing. It can be a period of great accomplishment and creativity. You can become a sort of superhuman. It is evident by his need for little to no sleep and the seemingly unending energy he has... along with the tremendous number of accomplishments. I have been saying he has been manic since he started campaigning. Perhaps he is able to live this way, i know some people do for years. Hopefully he doesn't go over the edge and become delusional or come crashing down. They can't really call it a mental illness until that happens.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 11:03:52 AM   
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A free and challenging Press is the bedrock of a democracy. Shame on people who accept Der Trumpf's continued attacks without question.

Are the unions next?

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 12:07:35 PM   
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A free and challenging Press is the bedrock of a democracy. Shame on people who accept Der Trumpf's continued attacks without question.

Are the unions next?


Obama attacked the media, moron

And the unions have been siding with President Trump of late

Keep swinging though...

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 12:31:04 PM   
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quote:

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A free and challenging Press is the bedrock of a democracy. Shame on people who accept Der Trumpf's continued attacks without question.

Are the unions next?


Obama attacked the media, moron

And the unions have been siding with President Trump of late

Keep swinging though...

Of course fox never lied, attacked or bullshitted(with proof) about obama.
even in hannitys opinion it hasnt been nearly as many (so called attacks in 8 years, than the first four weeks of the SCROTUS.
He reacted to fox for a reason..
Scrotus is attacking because he wants his base to dumb themselves down even more.
that you buy it, lock stock and barrel, is not surprising.



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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 12:34:23 PM   
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God bless President Trump.

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