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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 5:29:59 PM   
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How dare anyone criticize the media

“Whoever controls the media, controls the mind”
― Jim Morrison

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
― Carl Sagan

“The media is the right arm of anarchy.”
― Dan Brown, Angels & Demons

“People are sheep. TV is the shepherd.”
― Jess C. Scott

“The average TV commercial of sixty seconds has one hundred and twenty half-second clips in it, or one-third of a second. We bombard people with sensation. That substitutes for thinking.”
― Ray Bradbury

“It's in our biology to trust what we see with our eyes. This makes living in a carefully edited, overproduced and photoshopped world very dangerous.”
― Brené Brown

"If I want to knock a story off the front page, I just change my hairstyle."
― Hillary Clinton

"Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper."
― George Orwell

"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing, but newspapers."
― Thomas Jefferson


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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 5:32:34 PM   
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Veteran WaPo Reporter Admits MSM’s Bias Is ‘Overwhelmingly Left'

Media bias is real, finds UCLA political scientist

Conservatives are right: The news media is very liberal

The Liberal Media Exposed - mrc.org

Shocker: Media Apparatchiks Overwhelmingly Vote Democrat

if you were anything other than a leftie, would you think the media was dealing with you objectively?


"Liberal News Media Bias Has a Serious Effect"

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News media bias is real. It reduces the quality of journalism, and it fosters distrust among readers and viewers. This is bad for democracy.

Many prevailing biases exist in the U.S. news media. All news outlets are biased toward an eye-catching narrative. The Washington news media is biased toward Washington-based solutions. And the political press in the U.S. has an overwhelming leftward tilt, mostly on social issues, but also on economic matters.

Conservatives aren’t imagining this bias. It’s evident in many ways, including personnel movement. For instance, Bill Keller, after years as a New York Times columnist taking largely liberal stands, became The Times' executive editor.

Studies consistently show that reporters and editors stand to the left of the American center. More than 30 former journalists now serve in the Obama administration — nothing comparable happens in G.O.P. administrations.

Clustering of left-of-center viewpoints in the newsroom leads to a cloistering, and thus reporters end up unfamiliar with conservative viewpoints. This shows up in the tone of daily coverage (for instance, “property rights” gets put in scare quotes, while “abortion rights” doesn’t). The problem has flared up this election year.

Republican debates are primarily for a Republican audience, yet the CNBC moderators' challenging of Ben Carson for his support of ethanol mandates may have been the only question from a clearly conservative perspective. Most questions challenged the candidates for not supporting more government spending, regulation, taxes and subsidies. The questions came with liberal premises, making them irrelevant to the conservative audience.

Conservatives are an alien species in many newsrooms. The resulting slanted (and occasionally hostile) coverage leaves conservatives rightly distrustful that the news media will cover them fairly. This breeds the perception that the mainstream media is out to get conservatives, and this perception has truly harmful consequences.

The most crucial role of our press is scrutinizing those in power and those who want power. Dr. Carson, Donald Trump, Marco Rubio and the others all deserve intense scrutiny of their policy proposals, their past and their stated beliefs. Dr. Carson has portrayed the recent news media scrutiny of him as a witch hunt, and (especially when some of it is unfair) conservative voters believe him. This enables him to dodge accountability.

Democracy needs a trustworthy news media. For conservatives to trust the news media, it needs to better understand conservatives.


http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/11/11/why-has-trust-in-the-news-media-declined/liberal-news-media-bias-has-a-serious-effect

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 5:41:25 PM   
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Why did the Nixon Obama administration spy on the Associated Press?

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 5:51:05 PM   
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What a tool

When a D does it its' "criticizing" them

When an R does it it's "vilifying" them

Do you know what a tool you are
Still no valid arguments I see.

It's pretty bad when I have teach the people I'm talking with simple vocabulary.

Criticizing and vilifying are two different words with different meanings and it doesn't matter to me whether someone is a "D" or a "R" or a "L" or a "C", if they are criticizing I call it criticizing and if they are vilifying I call it vilifying.

Simple as that.
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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:09:46 PM   
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Why did the Nixon Obama administration spy on the Associated Press?
Why do you say they did? It seems to have something to do with the leaks of classified mattierals in 2013.

And even the article you linked to didn't call it spying.

But the article does say;
""The White House on Monday said that other than press reports it had no knowledge of Justice Department attempts to seek AP phone records. "We are not involved in decisions made in connection with criminal investigations, as those matters are handled independently by the Justice Department," spokesman Jay Carney said."

Which seems to indicate Obama's administration didn't have anything to do with the "spying".

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:14:58 PM   
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It also says

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Arnie Robbins, executive director of the American Society of News Editors, said, "On the face of it, this is really a disturbing affront to a free press. It's also troubling because it is consistent with perhaps the most aggressive administration ever against reporters doing their jobs — providing information that citizens need to know about our government."


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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:15:08 PM   
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But remember troopers, when the media has speeches by those on the right where every other fucking word...is terrorism, you had better listen.

And when the media has speeches from the right that tell us that we don't want Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, at least the ones we didn't sell him, to show up as mushrooms clouds...take heed, you can believe that.

Oh and when the media tells you that there is evidence Saddam tried to buy something called yellow cake otherwise known as something that goes into H-bombs also otherwise known as nukes...you better believe it.

Oh and when the media also tells you Bush won Florida, thats a done deal kinkroids.

You see kinkroids, when the media talks about the left and the dems...they are all lies all of the time...don't believe it.

But when the media tells you about the repubs and the right, you can take that to the bank. Well ok, you know what I mean...it's the god's awful truth.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 6:42:47 PM   
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The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media,



The dumbing down of amerika is evident in your every post.



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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 7:29:33 PM   
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I believe the media's point of view, on the whole, will match the majority's point of view. This it must do to secure its viewership. Differing point of views will produce different results from the same facts. This is what is happening here and Trump will have to realize his point of view is in the minority of this country.

Butch

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 7:34:46 PM   
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I believe the media's point of view will on the whole will match the majority's point of view. This it must do to secure its viewership. Differing point of views will produce different results from the same facts. This is what is happening here and Trump will have to realize his point of view is in the minority of this country.

Butch


I believe CNN has found the only way to stay alive a bit longer is to entertain the libs. MSNBC also although it is obvious they did learn something from that last ass whipping on election day. By the time Trump has removed the illegals then the "majority" composition will be correct. Perhaps it is time to recall this was the greatest political upset in known history. It will not be erased by constant attacks by the liberal press as they have lost their influence completely. I'm sorry but it is true.

As to the state of the republic, it's situation is very close to a parallel with the Roman Republic just prior to it's conversion to an internal warring Empire and that is also true and Trump is a Caesar who will remember the Ides of March.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 7:47:50 PM   
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Probably because Trump kept screaming "Mexican rapists! Muslim refugee terrorists!"

That kind of thing could make some people see his remarks as racist.


Some choose to when in fact he is discussing some of the illegals and is correct in also saying "murderers". I suppose this makes him a great President since that is the President's job to protect us from such.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 9:26:35 PM   
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I can't see how anyone would think that liberal bias in the media isn't real or that it is defensible. I don't think it's as pervasive as the RWNJs want it to be, but it does mean that they're being driven towards 100% pure bullshit like FOX and Breitbart, which is unacceptable.

On the other hand, while bias against Trump that existed during the election was real, it was also rooted in some legitimate concerns about his competence, temperament, business dealings and policies. While I'm sure the public's hunger for sensationalistic Trump stories played a role, my overall impression was that as soon as journalists realized that it wasn't a joke and that the threat of a Trump presidency was real, they mounted an earnest campaign to prevent what they knew would be disastrous, trying to find every angle they could to convince people that this man was unfit for office... and because there had never been a candidate like him before-- a mentally ill twitter addict who repeats whatever he sees on RWNJ news outlets, they didn't know how to attack him. The truth didn't work anymore, so they resorted to things like comparing him to Hitler, hoping something... anything would stick.

By the time they got around to 'hey, this guy is dangerous', people who had already casually accepted endlessly preposterous amounts of bullshit from him. Journalists' faith in the basic decency of Americans, the idea that 'it can't happen here', etc... all caused them to underestimate the threat. They didn't realize just how little the ordinary people understood about the economy, the government's inner workings, international relations, etc... or how to reach them without making the explanations too complex or too dry to hold their attention.

Publicizing SNL skits, circling every tweet Trump makes, revelling in the very real failures of his presidency, actively trying to humiliate him, etc... not a good way to create a clear, focused message that connects with everyone equally or convinces the general public of your objectivity. Trump is definitely a menace, but because of their unashamedly liberal viewpoints among other things, convincing people of that is more difficult than it should be.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 10:12:09 PM   
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I don't know whether it's tragic or comic to see our RWNJs trying to rationalise away Dear Leader Thump's latest attack on the media as the "enemy of the people". Either way it's hardly as chilling as Dear Leader Thump's full frontal assault on the freedom of the press.

It's a sight straight out of Huxley's Brave New World or Orwell's 1984 - an authoritarian leader leading a hate chorus against an essential democratic institution, accusing it of dishonesty and lying while himself and his staff plumbing never-before-experienced depths of dishonesty and lying. Even GOP grandees such as Sen McCain and blatantly biased outlets such as Fox TV freely admit the worrying extent of Presidential lies, so this is not a controversial statement.

This assault on democracy is so blatant and obvious, the only possible reason for people not seeing it for what it is, is that they don't want to see it.

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/18/2017 11:04:46 PM   
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Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants

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'Enemies of the people'

At a different time, in another country, it was effectively a death sentence . . .

the president's latest broadside, with all its attendant historical echoes, is unprecedented.

Nota bene: The BBC echoes history's worst tyrants.

The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes. ~Adolf Hitler

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/19/2017 8:14:41 AM   
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I think he is monster/unfit/creature/etc - shrugs discussed it all before and my reasons for thinking that about it which are based on everything he actually said/claimed…I was gob smacked at a lot of the stuff he has said/claimed

As HeavyBlinker said the American press realized a little too late

17 republicans stood – 1 remained, and it’s not human – lacks humanity, empathy a brain etc

Divide and conquer as the saying goes. It really won’t end well you know.
Senate ive been disgusted at it every vote I have seen it’s been 52 enablers, & 56ish enablers (well at least the dems aren’t complete pussies)for revoking the disability gun law Obama thingie.

So what happens now?
Who does what and why?



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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/20/2017 4:45:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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How dare anyone criticize the media

“Whoever controls the media, controls the mind”
― Jim Morrison

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
― Carl Sagan

“The media is the right arm of anarchy.”
― Dan Brown, Angels & Demons

“People are sheep. TV is the shepherd.”
― Jess C. Scott

“The average TV commercial of sixty seconds has one hundred and twenty half-second clips in it, or one-third of a second. We bombard people with sensation. That substitutes for thinking.”
― Ray Bradbury

“It's in our biology to trust what we see with our eyes. This makes living in a carefully edited, overproduced and photoshopped world very dangerous.”
― Brené Brown

"If I want to knock a story off the front page, I just change my hairstyle."
― Hillary Clinton

"Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper."
― George Orwell

"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing, but newspapers."
― Thomas Jefferson

Another loopy alt lefter has come out against Trump's comments on the media saying this is what Dictators of the past have done and we need to learn from history.

Oh wait, John McCain is a right wing Republican.
;-)

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/20/2017 5:50:50 AM   
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There's no doubt that journalism has become a dreadful embarrassment.

And it's true formerly nominally balanced papers of record have become partisan, at least at times.

But I'd be far more impressed with the blanket dismissal if the conservative alternatives were balanced, as they try to claim, and not "well, fuck, we'll just spin things the way WE want." At that point the "well liberals" argument is worthless: it's really "well, partisans."

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/20/2017 6:32:14 AM   
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Another loopy alt lefter has come out against Trump's comments on the media saying this is what Dictators of the past have done and we need to learn from history.

Oh wait, John McCain is a right wing Republican.
;-)



Did the right wing nominate an establishment RINO who was scared to death that an outsider might drain their precious swamp?

No, we studiously avoided another establishment stooge such as Hillary McSame didn't we

That makes you a moron


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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/20/2017 6:34:05 AM   
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"President Trump Has Been Far Too Nice To The Mainstream Media"

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The sequel to that stupid mommy porn bondage movie is now in theaters, giving naughty thrills to bored housewives whose liberal husbands can’t cut it manwise, but the real festival of S&M was in the White House as President Trump unleashed his iron discipline on the media. Call it Fifty Shades of Orange.

It wasn’t a press conference – it was a kinky dungeon session where masochistic journalists eagerly sought out the delicious pain Master T was dealing. Hack after hack stepped up, tried to play “gotcha.” and ended up whimpering in the fetal position. The best part was CNN’s Jim Acosta, fresh from whining about how conservative outlets now get to ask questions too, basically handing Trump the cat-o-nine tails. Dude, next time keep from talking yourself into more public humiliation by biting down on the ball gag.

The media’s safe word is “Objectivity,” but none of them uttered it.

The wonderful thing about Trump – and the thing that sets the Fredocons and wusspublicans fussing – is that he gives exactly zero damns about the media’s inflated and ridiculous self-image. He doesn’t pay lip service to their lie that they are anything but what Instapundit calls “Democratic Party operatives with bylines.” Trump called them the “the enemy of the American People,” to which normals responded with “Yeah, sounds about right.”


https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/20/president-trump-has-been-far-too-nice-to-the-mainstream-media-n2287759

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RE: Trump remark echoes history's worst tyrants - 2/20/2017 6:45:04 AM   
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"President Trump Has Been Far Too Nice To The Mainstream Media"

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The sequel to that stupid mommy porn bondage movie is now in theaters, giving naughty thrills to bored housewives whose liberal husbands can’t cut it manwise, but the real festival of S&M was in the White House as President Trump unleashed his iron discipline on the media. Call it Fifty Shades of Orange.

It wasn’t a press conference – it was a kinky dungeon session where masochistic journalists eagerly sought out the delicious pain Master T was dealing. Hack after hack stepped up, tried to play “gotcha.” and ended up whimpering in the fetal position. The best part was CNN’s Jim Acosta, fresh from whining about how conservative outlets now get to ask questions too, basically handing Trump the cat-o-nine tails. Dude, next time keep from talking yourself into more public humiliation by biting down on the ball gag.

The media’s safe word is “Objectivity,” but none of them uttered it.

The wonderful thing about Trump – and the thing that sets the Fredocons and wusspublicans fussing – is that he gives exactly zero damns about the media’s inflated and ridiculous self-image. He doesn’t pay lip service to their lie that they are anything but what Instapundit calls “Democratic Party operatives with bylines.” Trump called them the “the enemy of the American People,” to which normals responded with “Yeah, sounds about right.”


https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/20/president-trump-has-been-far-too-nice-to-the-mainstream-media-n2287759


Amen

The establishment media isn't entitled to be worshiped

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