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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (2/25/2017 12:04:18 PM)
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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And.... you would support cannibals and pedophiles by that same logic??
Are lawmakers ignorant of what pedophiles and cannibals want to do?
I don't think they are.
But yes, in some wildly implausible scenario where the government didn't realize what those two things involved, I would want them to do their homework before they said it was all good.
And you think Islam is "all good"???
I certainly don't.
Are you aware that in their ideology/culture, it is quite normal (and accepted/encouraged) for men to take very young (pre-teen) wives?
As soon as a female menstruates, they are allowed to have them as wives and for them to bear children.
In the western world, that is considered pedophilia and is illegal.
Yet you welcome this evil ideology into your midst?
Isn't one of the primary functions of any government to protect the country and people they rule over??
In that sense, Islam and Islamic countries are not conducive to peaceful existence.
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Trump wants to ban Islamic followers from entering the US by some nefarious means possible for him to enact.
His first attempt got blocked; but he'll find a way somehow.
I understand his logic, it makes sense.
It's not logic, it's fear.
No, it's logic.
Ban those that would wish you and your country harm.
Whilst it may be founded on fear, it's still logical.
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There are some enclaves of Islamic followers where it is dangerous for non-Islamics to walk or live in.
I agree, not all followers of this ideology are that bad.
But having lived in such an area, I can tell you it's a hostile environment even though we were not directly attacked physically.
So what? Do these specific people want to come to the US?
It was an example.
We are just like you in many ways; a christian-based country with predominantly christian values.
And I'm sure there are some areas in the US that are just as dangerous with groups of Islamics as there are here and in many western countries.
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And before all the do-gooders jump on their high horses, just take a look around the world at disgraceful behaviour in recent years (measured by western standards) and ask yourself this: Who else apart from Islamics are causing aggravation and terrorist attacks??
White supremacists like the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, etc. have always been a large threat.
I thought you might come up with crap like that.
They are odd-ball individuals, not a whole ideology.
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It's usually Islamics involved in in-fighting or wreaking havoc upon other non-Islamic cultures or groups.
It's happening all over India, Pakistan, the 'west', areas of Africa, and even in Egypt.
This is what happens when you install/support brutal dictators simply because they agree to ally themselves with US interests.
Do you honestly think that the whole of the ME is aligned to the US??
What utter bollocks.
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The majority of the trouble is caused by, or instigated by, followers of Islam.
That has to be taken into account, regardless of where you are.
The bad treatment of women is another reason for shunning Islam as an ideology.
In just the same way that we (in the west) ban what we deem as inappropriate customs and made those illegal, Islam should be included on that list IMHO.
No, it's not because they are different to me or my beliefs either; because most on this planet are different to me and my personal beliefs.
But most don't grate against my morality like Islam does.
Society and religion are two separate things. That area of the world is unstable, and ultra-conservative elements have risen to the top and come to dominate. It's not so different from what Trump's 'movement' could morph into given time.
Actually, this is where apologists get it all horribly wrong.
Islamic countries do not work in the same way that western societies do.
And western apologists make the same mistake every time: they try to think of Islam in the same vein as they do.
In Islam, Society, religion, and the state are all one and the same.
Religion runs and rules the state and its people.
Western society doesn't work in the same way.
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Let's say Bannon starts his holy war against Islam while somehow defying the odds and improving the job situation for the people in the Rust Belt... you would see the normalization of exclusionary, xenophobic politics and that means he could be succeeded by even more extreme elements that push the whole country closer to a similar form of oppression... the relegation of non-whites to secondary status for example. Does that mean every single person in that society mindlessly conforms to this nightmare? Is that what is happening now? Why do you think Islamic countries are so different from our own? You don't think they're skeptical of their politicians, policies, etc.?
Your logic is flawed - see the previous bit.
Most Islamic countries/states fully accept their leaders and mostly without question.
And they do that because not to do so means death.
ISIS is extremist in our eyes. That's a given.
That's because they are openly boasting their exploits and iron-fist autocracy.
But those that rule in Islamic areas are just as cruel; just not so openly offensive.
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