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thompsonx -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 1:54:12 PM)

ORIGINAL: jlf1961


As much as I hate to agree with bounty on anything, I am afraid that the Matthew Shepard murder was not religion motivated.

I did not say it was, I quoted his own words that it was motivated by hatred of gays. I also pointed out that the murderer was a christian raised in a home of a devout christian.




bounty44 -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 2:00:32 PM)

no no troll, we are not talking about whether or not shepherd was murdered because he was gay. some will say yes, some will say no, its all beside the point.

and no troll, not "by my own words" have I admitted anything. its a question based on a hypothetical situation, which you continually FAIL to show, as well as to avoid the question.

you contended he was murdered by Christians, and by implication, that they were acting in accordance with the bible. you have not shown either of those things. sending me off to look for the answer is not showing me the answer. but just to humor you a smidgen, sorry, "growing up in a Christian home" doesn't make one a Christian.

and even on the incredibly nearly impossible chance you can show that his murderers were Christian, and that they were indeed acting biblically, you will still need to explain how one case disproves a general rule. you know, "that Christians aren't running around killing gays."

you also maintain Christians are obliged to obey the old testament. the proof of which we're yet to see.

so:

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If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.


otherwise, really, the more you write and the more you bluster, if such a thing is even possible, the worse you look. I suggest a good long vacation.




bounty44 -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 2:28:06 PM)

for good measure troll, from jlf's link:

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But Shepard's killers, in their first interview since their convictions, tell "20/20's" Elizabeth Vargas that money and drugs motivated their actions that night, not hatred of gays.


from another source:

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But the Matthew Shepard story is not yet finished. A new twist came last year with the publication of another book, this one by investigative journalist Stephen Jimenez, who has spent 13 years interviewing more than 100 people with a connection to the case. His conclusion, outlined in The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths about the Murder of Matthew Shepard, is that the grotesque murder was not a hate crime, but could instead be blamed on crystal meth, a drug that was flooding Denver and the surrounding area at the time of Matthew’s death.


and oh my goodness, I love this vision of a good "Christian upbringing!":

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The young, unemployed men had not had easy lives. Henderson’s mother was a chronic alcoholic who had been repeatedly beaten by his father. McKinney had spent much of his childhood alone, left by his mother with his grandparents, who locked him in the basement to keep him out of trouble.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard

so back to the task at hand troll---please show with all your " delineated reputable sources" that the killers were Christian and acting from their understanding of the bible, and that Christians are obliged to obey the old testament.

and oh, don't forget to answer how one exception disproves a general rule.




thompsonx -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 2:38:49 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

no no troll, we are not talking about whether or not shepherd was murdered because he was gay. some will say yes, some will say no, its all beside the point.

Since the murderer himself said it, it is not beside the point no matter how much you wish it so.

and no troll, not "by my own words" have I admitted anything. its a question based on a hypothetical situation,


My dear comrade bounty you said:

and for good measure, lets (you know, as in "let us") throw this in there too: explain how one case disproves a general rule.

Now my dear comrade if you cannot see what you have said perhaps you might get one of the teachers at the university, you claim to work at, to explane it to you


you contended he was murdered by Christians, and by implication, that they were acting in accordance with the bible.


That would be your implication and not mine.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



you also maintain Christians are obliged to obey the old testament. the proof of which we're yet to see.

Oh my dear comrade 'peter' you have denied the inspired word of god three times...I think it is time for my cock to crow





thompsonx -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 2:52:13 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

for good measure troll, from jlf's link:

But Shepard's killers, in their first interview since their convictions, tell "20/20's" Elizabeth Vargas that money and drugs motivated their actions that night, not hatred of gays.

This is a quote from the murderer:

“Matt Shepard needed killing,” Aaron McKinney bluntly told Tectonic company member Greg Pierotti for the epilogue, which includes the first interviews with McKinney and Russell Henderson since 2004.

“As far as Matt is concerned, I don’t have any remorse,” McKinney said during nine hours of talks with Pierotti. “The night I did it, I did have hatred for homosexuals.”

McKinney’s initial motive was robbery. But he targeted Shepard, he said, because “he was obviously gay. That played a part. His weakness. His frailty.”



from another source:

But the Matthew Shepard story is not yet finished. A new twist came last year with the publication of another book, this one by investigative journalist Stephen Jimenez, who has spent 13 years interviewing more than 100 people with a connection to the case. His conclusion, outlined in The Book of Matt: Hidden Truths about the Murder of Matthew Shepard, is that the grotesque murder was not a hate crime, but could instead be blamed on crystal meth, a drug that was flooding Denver and the surrounding area at the time of Matthew’s death.

This directly from the mouth of the murderer:

“Matt Shepard needed killing,” Aaron McKinney bluntly told Tectonic company member Greg Pierotti for the epilogue, which includes the first interviews with McKinney and Russell Henderson since 2004.

“As far as Matt is concerned, I don’t have any remorse,” McKinney said during nine hours of talks with Pierotti. “The night I did it, I did have hatred for homosexuals.”

McKinney’s initial motive was robbery. But he targeted Shepard, he said, because “he was obviously gay. That played a part. His weakness. His frailty.”

and oh my goodness, I love this vision of a good "Christian upbringing!":

The young, unemployed men had not had easy lives. Henderson’s mother was a chronic alcoholic who had been repeatedly beaten by his father. McKinney had spent much of his childhood alone, left by his mother with his grandparents, who locked him in the basement to keep him out of trouble.


Please try to pay attention. Henderson was not the murderer mckinny was.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard



and oh, don't forget to answer how one exception disproves a general rule.

Once again you have admitted that you understand and agree that mckinny murdered shepard because he was gay. That makes three times so far.




bounty44 -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 2:56:50 PM)

fail again troll:

that's funny---i just quoted a story above where the murderers were saying it was because of drugs and money.

for more good measure, they were both murderers:

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Henderson pleaded guilty to murder and kidnapping...The jury found McKinney guilty of felony murder.


could you get any worse at this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

your misinterpretation and irrelevant mention of peter's denial of Christ aside, show us "reputable sources" that explain how Christians must obey the old testament and that the murderers were Christian acting according to the bible.

and since your reply to my statement of "Christians aren't running around stoning gays" was "matthew shepherd," lets assume for the sake of argument they were Christians and they were acting according to the bible (which was the context of the conversation troll). does one exception disprove a general rule?

asking for you to explain that is really taunting you troll, because you cant.

bluster some more if you like, divert and distract all you like, i trust by this point every one who's reading will see you for the fool you are and i'll be moving along to leave you in your malignancy.

and in closing troll---you don't help your case any by constantly misapplying the word "comrade" to me; I am neither a collectivist, or more importantly, your companion.




thompsonx -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 4:30:39 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44



that's funny---i just quoted a story above where the murderers were saying it was because of drugs and money.

Which is the more current quote college boy?

for more good measure, they were both murderers:

Henderson pleaded guilty to murder and kidnapping...The jury found McKinney guilty of felony murder.

The testimony, had you chosen to read it, showed that henderson was in the vehicle when mckinny finished shepard off.



your misinterpretation and irrelevant mention of peter's denial of Christ aside,


After you stated that:

that Christians are not only required to obey god's word, but that the old testament still serves as one of those requirements to which they are bound.

You subsequently have denied that three times just as peter did...you clearly are a 'peter'


show us "reputable sources" that explain how Christians must obey the old testament


I have cited non other than comrade bounty. Is comrade bounty a disreputable source?


and that the murderers were Christian acting according to the bible.

I cited that mckinny was a chirstian raised by a devoute christian. From that you may infer what you wish but, please comrade bounty, do not ascribe your inferences to myself.

and since your reply to my statement of "Christians aren't running around stoning gays" was "matthew shepherd," lets assume for the sake of argument they were Christians

You, comrade bounty, are the one who is doing the assuming. I would prefer to deal in facts. The facts are that mckinny was a christian raised by a devout christian.
The facts are that mckinny was the one who delivered the killing blows while his accomplice remained in the vehicle.




and they were acting according to the bible


That would by your inference and not mine. If you believe that the ot requires death to homosexuals that would put you four square with the westburo baptist possie


you don't help your case any by constantly misapplying the word "comrade" to me; I am neither a collectivist, or more importantly, your companion.

Your bible claims that we are brothers comrade (so also does "lucy") and so we are, no matter how many times you deny the absolute authority of the inspired word of god.
You are a collectivist...you live in the 'united' states of amerika which is a collection of states aligned for the common good.
For a college boy your english ain't all that good.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.





Awareness -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (3/5/2017 4:47:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
God, how depressing. I can imagine the dead man's family back in India saying, 'Why on earth did he want to go and live and work in that primitive shithole in the first place?'
You really have absolutely no understanding of the world, do you Peon. None whatsoever.

For a socialist, you're remarkably ignorant of what life in poorer countries is actually like.




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