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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America (2/25/2017 2:02:01 PM)
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
And you think Islam is "all good"???
I certainly don't.
Are you aware that in their ideology/culture, it is quite normal (and accepted/encouraged) for men to take very young (pre-teen) wives?
As soon as a female menstruates, they are allowed to have them as wives and for them to bear children.
In the western world, that is considered pedophilia and is illegal.
Yet you welcome this evil ideology into your midst?
Can you at least be open to the possibility that not everyone who identifies as a Muslim is a child-raping, wife-beating terrorist, or is that asking too much?
If not, then I don't see much point in responding anymore.
All I can say is... you don't know Muslims very well.
What I can say is that every single Muslim I know believes it is their right under Islamic law to beat their wives and to wed (and fuck) girls as long as they have started menstruating.
That belief makes me sick - and I'm not a christian.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Isn't one of the primary functions of any government to protect the country and people they rule over??
In that sense, Islam and Islamic countries are not conducive to peaceful existence.
Especially when you're actively bombing the shit out of them.
And why are we doing that??
Because, even in their own country, they are being barbaric towards women and children (particularly girls) and we in the west want to poke our oar in to fix it to our ideology.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
No, it's logic.
Ban those that would wish you and your country harm.
Whilst it may be founded on fear, it's still logical.
Except you have to be sure that they actually wish you and your country harm first.
Their whole ideology and customs are a threat to western civilisation and our way of life.
That is 100% guaranteed.
Why do you think that most of them only pay lip-service to our laws and customs??
They want a mini caliphate but without the wars like it is in their own country.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It was an example.
We are just like you in many ways; a christian-based country with predominantly christian values.
And I'm sure there are some areas in the US that are just as dangerous with groups of Islamics as there are here and in many western countries.
America is supposed to be multicultural.
That would be your personal PoV - many would disagree with that.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I thought you might come up with crap like that.
They are odd-ball individuals, not a whole ideology.
WTF of course white supremacy is an ideology.
Who the fuck said anything about white supremacy??
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Do you honestly think that the whole of the ME is aligned to the US??
What utter bollocks.
No, and I didn't say that.
That was implicit in your statement.
My statement was that the ME is pretty much run/controlled by Islamic autocrats of one type or another.
And in every Islamic country, their ideology is almost identical.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
A country can be responsible for a situation without being in control of it.
I wasn't referring to any such situation.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Actually, this is where apologists get it all horribly wrong.
Islamic countries do not work in the same way that western societies do.
And western apologists make the same mistake every time: they try to think of Islam in the same vein as they do.
In Islam, Society, religion, and the state are all one and the same.
Religion runs and rules the state and its people.
Western society doesn't work in the same way.
You are talking about politics and government.
I'm talking about individuals.
No, I wasn't actually.
Individuals revere their Islamic ideology and their leadership - as a whole and as individuals.
Why do you think so many of them are willing to die as suicide bombers??
It's not because they are told to do it - they volunteer to be a martyr for their religion!!
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Your logic is flawed - see the previous bit.
Most Islamic countries/states fully accept their leaders and mostly without question.
And they do that because not to do so means death.
ISIS is extremist in our eyes. That's a given.
That's because they are openly boasting their exploits and iron-fist autocracy.
But those that rule in Islamic areas are just as cruel; just not so openly offensive.
How people behave when they are living in a totalitarian theocracy is different from how they will probably behave when living in a secular liberal democracy. Even in totalitarian theocracies, the rules are more flexible than you probably think they are... people actually have a pretty high tolerance for shit they don't agree with when the alternative is potentially losing your family, security, and worldly possessions. But pretending that every Muslim agrees with their government or doesn't long for something different is like saying every American agrees with Trump-- it's bullshit.
Bad analogy.
Most Muslims only disagree with those of another faith or those following a different form of Islam to themselves.
It doesn't matter which branch of Islam they follow, they still have those same hatreds even when they move to another country/culture.
They also still want an Islamic caliphate/enclave when they live in a christian/western country.
Why do you think most of them fail to integrate fully??
They don't want to. That's the truth of it.
And the only reason most of them even consider moving are the wars.
Their behaviour doesn't change much when they are placed into a wholly different culture in a different country.
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Someone pointing guns at you and telling you how to live doesn't automatically change who you are or what you believe in... compliance isn't the same thing as agreement, and even if you actively, openly disagree with a society to which you have chosen to migrate, it doesn't mean you're going to start a war with the locals.
And many of them despise the locals just for being who they are - non-Muslims.
Oh yeah, they want all the goodies and trappings that western society gives them but they also want it inside Islamic rule, not under western rules and laws.
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