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tweakabelle -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 1:08:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Well, this thread went exactly as anyone could have predicted. You can't be 'alt' if you belong to/follow/support a mainstream political party. The whole purpose of 'alt-right' was to separate neocon Republicans from 'classic conservative' Republicans. You can't be 'alt' if you're mainstream. I don't think Trump has actually legitimized the alt-right/Euro-fascist shit yet, but when he does, then the GOP will be a fascist party, and the neocons will be the new alt-right. It doesn't matter what you think about the Democrats, they are the mainstream left in the US. An 'alt-left' would be an alternative to that. ALT = ALTERNATIVE. The fact that the Dems are still way to the right of many right wing parties in most other western democracies but are still considered radical extremists by some GOPers means that said GOPers are ignorant, and they should probably be written off as hopeless. BoscoX and other RWNJ idiots like to say 'alt-left' because of the alt-right's reputation-- they want to pretend that modern day Democrats are irrational extremists who want to tear down American values and turn America into some sort of Soviet/Banana Republic nightmare. They want to group all leftists together and pretend it's just some mindless mass, programmed by the media to commit horrible acts of violence against poor innocent Trump supporters who never do anything wrong ever. I'll tell you what the 'alt-left' really is-- it is a word that helps you identify stupid people, because they are the only ones who earnestly use it. I respect your patience but there's little point in seeking a constructive definition of 'alt-left' from the two looney RWNJs who seem to be the people who use the term the most. It's hardly revolutionary or unique to point out that once again, our looney RWNJs appear unable to explain whatever it is they are talking about. Ignorance is one of the defining qualities of your typical RWNJ. From where I sit, 'alt-left' is a term dreamt up by RWNJs consistent with their usual policy of simply returning verbatim any criticism of the Right that leftists might advance, regardless of whatever that term might mean. Exactly like returning a serve at tennis, with exactly the same amount of brain power invested. We see them do it with other notions such 'racist' or 'bigot', terms that have been long used to accurately describe RWNJs. Terms are simply returned until the terms become meaningless through constant repetition and abuse of the meaning of that term. The irony of the world's biggest racists and bigots calling out others for their alleged racism and/or bigotry is completely lost on our poor RWNJs If this implies that RWNJs are intellectually challenged morons who are unable to come up with an original thought, then I offer as evidence BoscoX and DaddySatyr, and/or their contributions to this thread. Further evidence seems unnecessary and further discussion redundant.

Awareness -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 4:13:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 This is a term that seems to be the current favorite of one of our posters, and after reading a number of articles by political reporters, it seems that the alt left is nothing more than a red herring and strawman, at least as far as the media goes. The alt left is effectively the corruption of the mainstream left into its current form of extreme social leftism with victimhood culture, trigger warnings and third/fourth wave feminism. It's important to distinguish this type of Leftism from Liberals. Liberals believe in the sanctity of the individual. Leftist types believe in collectivism, where the individual is slave to a group mind. And when the group mind speaks and pronounces the LGBTQRWXYZ community and Muslims as top of the victim-hood totem pole and inists that everyone join their fight against the white, male, heterosexual oppressors - that's when you lose the unlosable election as white, male, heterosexuals tell you to get fucked. So classic liberals believe in economic liberalism plus social enterprises and distribution of risk across the populace. This is why socialised medicine exists and is largely successful. In countries like Australia, socialised medicine provides a safety net, while individuals with money can still access private medical insurance and private hospitals. In contrast, the Left - what we might call the alt-left - focus instead on stratifying society into various levels of righteous victim and then attempting to bend society around them to redress this insane idea of "equality". I'll give you an example. With the exception of those who suffer clear chromosomal conditions (and they do exist) I think trans people are suffering a psychological disorder. However trans activism wants society to bend around such individuals by forcing everyone they meet to learn a new vocabulary of pronouns which they are then forced (legally) to use. This idea of warping societal interactions around the need of individuals to be treated like special snowflakes is not only stupid, it's unsustainable. Human beings use broad classifications to work out how to treat others because our brains are not wired to process a surfeit of information about every individual. Yet the Left wants this warping to occur around the entire LGBTQRWXYZ community with a set of pronouns for the suite of 87 genders they've invented inside their heads. I see teenagers being fucked up by the gender-queer bullshit on tumblr wherein they start informing their parents they wish to be addressed with plural pronouns. This is the alt-left in action. This is the psychotic self-obsessed kind of world they want us all to live in. They are, quite frankly, completely fucking nuts. Which is why when Peon calls me a fruitcake, I can only smile at the irony of the pot calling the kettle black.

tweakabelle -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 4:44:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness . The alt left is effectively the corruption of the mainstream left into its current form of extreme social leftism with victimhood culture, trigger warnings and third/fourth wave feminism. [sm=fiddle_smiley.gif] What utter gibberish! What on earth is "extreme social leftism"?? Has anyone ever heard of this term/terminology? It sounds like something a drunken driver might do .... or perhaps sitting at the wrong seat at a dinner party. Most likely it's an invention by A'ness as his mind, unencumbered by any recognisable form of political schooling or education, grapples with big words that he has managed to learn how to spell without ever stumbling across their meaning. So he tosses together a few of his current bete noirs - feminism, victimology and trigger warnings (whatever they might be) - and decides that all up it sounds like "extreme social leftism". Truly cretinous. Never going to win a Nobel Prize, or indeed any prize (except the dunce's) is he?

WhoreMods -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 4:51:20 AM)
There's three posters in this thread demonstrating that the term has become completely meaningless, and so can applied to anybody a supporter of the alt right wants to villify. That it originally meant the members of the alt right who don't want to be associated with the white supremacists, Galt wannabes and feudalism revivalists that make up the rest of that clade just because they have a couple of piercings, a goatee or an Ayn Rand tattoo as well as a blog is now ignored ignored in a concentrated bid to strip the term of meaning so that it can be applied to anybody else to the left of the alt right. (Which is, everybody else in American politics.) At least the ideative filletting of the term alt left provides a good example of the trumptooners and their teabaggist stooges deliberate assault on meaning in political discourse, I suppose, but the people who use the term in it's new "meaning" are either too stupid to have noticed its retooling, or too cynically opportunistic to care.

Awareness -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 5:08:16 AM)
Yes, your babble is excellent, but imbuing your sentences with meaning is still beyond you.

WhoreMods -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 5:12:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Yes, your babble is excellent, but imbuing your sentences with meaning is still beyond you. Complaining about babble after spending your post 22 shitting out 400 words of meaningless glossolalia isn't even cute. (Congratulations on recognising that you are one of the three posters I was talking about, though: your comprehension skills are improving a little, even if your communication skills aren't.)

Awareness -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 5:17:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness . The alt left is effectively the corruption of the mainstream left into its current form of extreme social leftism with victimhood culture, trigger warnings and third/fourth wave feminism. [sm=fiddle_smiley.gif] What utter gibberish! What on earth is "extreme social leftism"?? Has anyone ever heard of this term/terminology? Today I teach you that words have meanings and when you put them together they express an idea. Extreme: adjective furthest from the center or a given point; outermost. Social: adjective relating to society or its organization. Leftism: noun the principles and views of the left; also : the movement embodying these principles When you modify a noun with adjectives, it describes the noun in ways which are more precise and nuanced. So, "extreme social leftism" describes a form of leftism which is extreme in its views and is focused on social issues. This is what happens Twink, when you understand the English language and can construct cogent sentences without referring to a handbook. I realise pretty much all of your sentences come from an ideological handbook you keep on your person at all times, but I regret to inform you this makes you an ideological parrot, not a being capable of original - or indeed rational - thought. quote: It sounds like something a drunken driver might do .... or perhaps sitting at the wrong seat at a dinner party. I've just explained it to you because I can see you have trouble with analysis and synthesis. quote: Most likely it's an invention by A'ness as his mind, unencumbered by any recognisable form of political schooling or education, grapples with big words that he has managed to learn how to spell without ever stumbling across their meaning. So he tosses together a few of his current bete noirs - feminism, victimology and trigger warnings (whatever they might be) - and decides that all up it sounds like "extreme social leftism". Truly cretinous. No Twink, it's called "constructing an English-language sentence". If you don't understand it, then I'm afraid it's clear your "education" was something you gained through the accumulation of privilege points, not because you actually attended an educational institution and studied and worked to achieve a degree.

Awareness -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 5:18:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Yes, your babble is excellent, but imbuing your sentences with meaning is still beyond you. Complaining about babble after spending your post 22 shitting out 400 words of meaningless glossolalia isn't even cute. (Congratulations on recognising that you are one of the three posters I was talking about, though: your comprehension skills are improving a little, even if your communication skills aren't.) I don't even have to think about it. Of course you're referring to me: I consistently demonstrate what an incompetent thinker you are. You're obsessed with me.

WhoreMods -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 5:23:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness ...I consistently demonstrate what an incompetent thinker you are. More unproven claims for your vast intellect, I see. Do you have anything else to fall back on in a debate than claiming to be smarter than the other guy while spouting nonsense that proves that you're not?

tamaka -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 7:00:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 This is a term that seems to be the current favorite of one of our posters, and after reading a number of articles by political reporters, it seems that the alt left is nothing more than a red herring and strawman, at least as far as the media goes. The alt left is effectively the corruption of the mainstream left into its current form of extreme social leftism with victimhood culture, trigger warnings and third/fourth wave feminism. It's important to distinguish this type of Leftism from Liberals. Liberals believe in the sanctity of the individual. Leftist types believe in collectivism, where the individual is slave to a group mind. And when the group mind speaks and pronounces the LGBTQRWXYZ community and Muslims as top of the victim-hood totem pole and inists that everyone join their fight against the white, male, heterosexual oppressors - that's when you lose the unlosable election as white, male, heterosexuals tell you to get fucked. So classic liberals believe in economic liberalism plus social enterprises and distribution of risk across the populace. This is why socialised medicine exists and is largely successful. In countries like Australia, socialised medicine provides a safety net, while individuals with money can still access private medical insurance and private hospitals. In contrast, the Left - what we might call the alt-left - focus instead on stratifying society into various levels of righteous victim and then attempting to bend society around them to redress this insane idea of "equality". I'll give you an example. With the exception of those who suffer clear chromosomal conditions (and they do exist) I think trans people are suffering a psychological disorder. However trans activism wants society to bend around such individuals by forcing everyone they meet to learn a new vocabulary of pronouns which they are then forced (legally) to use. This idea of warping societal interactions around the need of individuals to be treated like special snowflakes is not only stupid, it's unsustainable. Human beings use broad classifications to work out how to treat others because our brains are not wired to process a surfeit of information about every individual. Yet the Left wants this warping to occur around the entire LGBTQRWXYZ community with a set of pronouns for the suite of 87 genders they've invented inside their heads. I see teenagers being fucked up by the gender-queer bullshit on tumblr wherein they start informing their parents they wish to be addressed with plural pronouns. This is the alt-left in action. This is the psychotic self-obsessed kind of world they want us all to live in. They are, quite frankly, completely fucking nuts. Which is why when Peon calls me a fruitcake, I can only smile at the irony of the pot calling the kettle black. Although i agree with your feelings about the whole trans situation, i would think a true alt left would want to institute communism.

dcnovice -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 7:18:41 AM)
FR It's anyone Sanity dislikes.

tweakabelle -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 7:43:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness ...I consistently demonstrate what an incompetent thinker you are. More unproven claims for your vast intellect, I see. Do you have anything else to fall back on in a debate than claiming to be smarter than the other guy while spouting nonsense that proves that you're not? You have captured A'ness perfectly and succinctly. His post #22 and #27 are perfect examples of his unique blend of meaningless verbosity, vacuous 'intellect', general drool and ignorance. Only BoscoX approaches his startling consistency at putting his foot in his mouth while trying desperately to sound intelligent.

BoscoX -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/9/2017 8:14:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Although i agree with your feelings about the whole trans situation, i would think a true alt left would want to institute communism. They do. They just know that they can't do it overtly, all at once. So they are going about it in piecemeal fashion, and using their useful idiots to divide us, and to drive the economy under, flood us with third worlders and that death cult which shall not be named, and otherwise destroy American society as it existed before. Obama was very clear when he said he wanted to fundamentally transform the United States of America Part of the plan is to destroy so they can rebuild as they please He, and people like him, are determined to turn us into a third world banana republic communist dictatorship hell hole because they really feel that we deserve that due to the "sins" of our past etc. We are too rich, too white. too Christian... And, they lust for the power. It's not like they do anything because they have good hearts

heavyblinker -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/10/2017 12:46:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Although i agree with your feelings about the whole trans situation, i would think a true alt left would want to institute communism. The thing about non-existent movements is that you can say it would probably be whatever you want it to be. The term doesn't have any actual meaning. Multiple 'groups' (even if it's just a handful of people) with different mission statements and different beliefs have laid claim to the term, and of course the RWNJ news uses it as a pejorative. Using it as if it actually describes a significant movement is the equivalent of declaring that you live in a bubble and are unwilling to discuss things like an adult.

WhoreMods -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/10/2017 4:42:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Although i agree with your feelings about the whole trans situation, i would think a true alt left would want to institute communism. They do. They just know that they can't do it overtly, all at once. So they are going about it in piecemeal fashion, and using their useful idiots to divide us, and to drive the economy under, flood us with third worlders and that death cult which shall not be named, and otherwise destroy American society as it existed before. Obama was very clear when he said he wanted to fundamentally transform the United States of America Part of the plan is to destroy so they can rebuild as they please He, and people like him, are determined to turn us into a third world banana republic communist dictatorship hell hole because they really feel that we deserve that due to the "sins" of our past etc. We are too rich, too white. too Christian... And, they lust for the power. It's not like they do anything because they have good hearts Perhaps you could show your working for why importing members of a death cult is priority for (generally atheistic) communists? Jihadists weren't a problem in Russia when it was still the Soviet Union, and the first sign of any moslem atrocities since Vlad the Impaler's expulsion of the Ottomans from Rumania didn't appear until the Bosnian war. In fact, back when the Soviet commies were the bad guys, your country was quite happy to spin the Muhadajeen as noble religious warriors fighting atheist oppression, and they didn't become bad guys until the Reds withdrew from Afghanistan and the CIA stopped funding them.

Musicmystery -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/10/2017 8:24:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR It's anyone Sanity dislikes. No more calls. We have a winner.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/10/2017 7:13:13 PM)
There is no such thing as Alt-Left, there is only the Left. Unless you happen to live in an alternate Universe like the person who keeps using the term Alt-Left must. You know the Universe where everything Trump says and does is excellent and beyond reproach.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/10/2017 7:20:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker ... I'll tell you what the 'alt-left' really is-- it is a word that helps you identify stupid people, because they are the only ones who earnestly use it. Yep!

Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/10/2017 7:26:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR It's anyone Sanity dislikes. No more calls. We have a winner. [sm=happy-smiley58.gif]Right on the button!

BoscoX -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/10/2017 7:51:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles There is no such thing as Alt-Left, there is only the Left. Unless you happen to live in an alternate Universe like the person who keeps using the term Alt-Left must. You know the Universe where everything Trump says and does is excellent and beyond reproach. It would be a lot easier to believe the term had no meaning if you snowflake princesses didn't let it get under your skin so easily Go on and on about it every day

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