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Aylee -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/12/2017 8:08:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Okay here they are:
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
What drive's 'em insane is that "alt" was supposed to be a term to denigrate the people they fantasize about sending off to death camps, but it turns out that it fits their hate insanity far better

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
And it's not small little fringe groups like the KKK. It's every single one of them. They hate and project that hate on others.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
I would be happy to tell you but first go back and read bosco's comment immediately preceding nnanji's, and then nnanji's again, and then I bet you will be able to see how so.

First looking at BoscoX’s comment, it appears that he is saying that the far left is so hateful they are fantasizing about sending the hated off to death camps.

If you enter “death camps” into Bing it brings up almost exclusively the Holocaust and connect the phrase to Nazi Germany and as I understand they were for the most part considered on the “far far Right”.

Then Nnanji starts talking about the KKK also generally considered “far far Right” and also Trump supporters, then seems to try connecting them to the “Alt-left”.

That is my understanding of their comments, perhaps now you will be so good as to explain to me what you feel I didn’t understand.




By the way, Nazis stands for National Socialists. While the lefties of today likes to say it was right wing, it's really lefty socialism. I'm not going to help you with the rest of your struggles here.



The Nazi's were fascists. They were not socialists in the way we use it today. They were not Marxists (international socialists). It was the socialism of Rudolf Jung.

As far as being part of the "right" as it is declared, anyone not left of Stalin or Castro is considered a Conservative Republican in the ctrl-left's worldview. I think that it is because they would like to see 94 million Americans dead.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/12/2017 9:04:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

By the way, Nazis stands for National Socialists. While the lefties of today likes to say it was right wing, it's really lefty socialism. I'm not going to help you with the rest of your struggles here.
The "struggles" I have here are because of people like you that are unread and don't to even want to consider what others might say.

I simple internet search would show you that "National Socialists" a bit of a misnomer.

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism from the subheading "Position in the political spectrum"

Here is a more exacting study of Nazism in the political spectrum.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-considered-to-be-right-wing-parties
And then he even gives what he calls his "personal opinion" which is:
"Conclusion: He was socially so much right, the rest doesn't matter: He was an extreme right. But please remember this is only my own interpretation, it is still pretty wrong to say Hitler was Right. So the next time someone says "Hitler was right" just answer: "No, he was wrong!""
;-)




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/12/2017 9:29:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

By the way, Nazis stands for National Socialists. While the lefties of today likes to say it was right wing, it's really lefty socialism. I'm not going to help you with the rest of your struggles here.
The "struggles" I have here are because of people like you that are unread and don't to even want to consider what others might say.

I simple internet search would show you that "National Socialists" a bit of a misnomer.

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism from the subheading "Position in the political spectrum"

Here is a more exacting study of Nazism in the political spectrum.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-considered-to-be-right-wing-parties
And then he even gives what he calls his "personal opinion" which is:
"Conclusion: He was socially so much right, the rest doesn't matter: He was an extreme right. But please remember this is only my own interpretation, it is still pretty wrong to say Hitler was Right. So the next time someone says "Hitler was right" just answer: "No, he was wrong!""
;-)


So, for the first time ever you've read up on a topic and feel comfortable teaching me about it. I'm sure your five minutes of study on the "you can believe every thing written" internet makes your teachings valuable. I'll take them for what they're worth then.




tweakabelle -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/12/2017 11:28:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

By the way, Nazis stands for National Socialists. While the lefties of today likes to say it was right wing, it's really lefty socialism. I'm not going to help you with the rest of your struggles here.
The "struggles" I have here are because of people like you that are unread and don't to even want to consider what others might say.

I simple internet search would show you that "National Socialists" a bit of a misnomer.

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism from the subheading "Position in the political spectrum"

Here is a more exacting study of Nazism in the political spectrum.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-considered-to-be-right-wing-parties
And then he even gives what he calls his "personal opinion" which is:
"Conclusion: He was socially so much right, the rest doesn't matter: He was an extreme right. But please remember this is only my own interpretation, it is still pretty wrong to say Hitler was Right. So the next time someone says "Hitler was right" just answer: "No, he was wrong!""
;-)


So, for the first time ever you've read up on a topic and feel comfortable teaching me about it. I'm sure your five minutes of study on the "you can believe every thing written" internet makes your teachings valuable. I'll take them for what they're worth then.

The towering intellect that is Nnanji strikes again! Yes folks the same brain (?) that thinks 'neo-liberals' write books about biology and gender insists against all the evidence that the Nazis were a 'left wing' phenomenon.

Note smooth demolition of a pretender who dares to question this soaring intellect and how any written evidence to support the pretender's position is dismissed out of hand. Surely only a first class erudite mind would dare perform such arrogant feats of intellectual prowess, feats that lesser intellects who still believe that arguing a case on the basis of evidence and not Nnanji's opinion is the way to enlightenment, wouldn't dare attempt .... ?

Sadly no. It has been pointed out to Nnanji, and demonstrated beyond doubt on numerous occasions that the Nazis were in fact fanatical anti-leftists and looney rightwingers just like Nnanji. But our Nnanji has never been one to let the facts get in the way of his prejudice or opinions.

Nnanji's mind is not highly educated as he will have you believe, his ignorance is of awesome dimensions, his opinionsprejudices are usually a dull repetition of the day's talking points on Breitbart or Infowars, never original nor informed, the pathetic bleatings of a pretentious cretin unable to think for himself or form an independent opinion about anything,




Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 1:46:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

By the way, Nazis stands for National Socialists. While the lefties of today likes to say it was right wing, it's really lefty socialism. I'm not going to help you with the rest of your struggles here.
The "struggles" I have here are because of people like you that are unread and don't to even want to consider what others might say.

I simple internet search would show you that "National Socialists" a bit of a misnomer.

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism from the subheading "Position in the political spectrum"

Here is a more exacting study of Nazism in the political spectrum.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-considered-to-be-right-wing-parties
And then he even gives what he calls his "personal opinion" which is:
"Conclusion: He was socially so much right, the rest doesn't matter: He was an extreme right. But please remember this is only my own interpretation, it is still pretty wrong to say Hitler was Right. So the next time someone says "Hitler was right" just answer: "No, he was wrong!""
;-)


So, for the first time ever you've read up on a topic and feel comfortable teaching me about it. I'm sure your five minutes of study on the "you can believe every thing written" internet makes your teachings valuable. I'll take them for what they're worth then.
I should have known that trying to help you out with your understanding would not be appreciated. Maybe my comment will be helpful to others. I guess you can remain in your ignorance.
;-)




Milesnmiles -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 1:51:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The towering intellect that is Nnanji strikes again! Yes folks the same brain (?) that thinks 'neo-liberals' write books about biology and gender insists against all the evidence that the Nazis were a 'left wing' phenomenon.

Note smooth demolition of a pretender who dares to question this soaring intellect and how any written evidence to support the pretender's position is dismissed out of hand. Surely only a first class erudite mind would dare perform such arrogant feats of intellectual prowess, feats that lesser intellects who still believe that arguing a case on the basis of evidence and not Nnanji's opinion is the way to enlightenment, wouldn't dare attempt .... ?

Sadly no. It has been pointed out to Nnanji, and demonstrated beyond doubt on numerous occasions that the Nazis were in fact fanatical anti-leftists and looney rightwingers just like Nnanji. But our Nnanji has never been one to let the facts get in the way of his prejudice or opinions.

Nnanji's mind is not highly educated as he will have you believe, his ignorance is of awesome dimensions, his opinionsprejudices are usually a dull repetition of the day's talking points on Breitbart or Infowars, never original nor informed, the pathetic bleatings of a pretentious cretin unable to think for himself or form an independent opinion about anything,
Thanx, remarkably well said, the education system must still be working in Australia.
;-)




heavyblinker -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 3:00:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
It has been pointed out to Nnanji, and demonstrated beyond doubt on numerous occasions that the Nazis were in fact fanatical anti-leftists and looney rightwingers just like Nnanji.


Actually, the Nazis chose the communists and social democrats as the first people to go into their brand new concentration camps because they were poor from being lazy and evil and taking away the freedoms of others. The Nazis were helping their best friends and political allies because the camps allowed them to get free housing and health care. And who do you think paid for those camps? Who built them? That's right-- hardworking German taxpayers.

You won't hear that in the liberal media, though.




bounty44 -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 4:11:03 AM)

sorry---this is the same in essence to a recent conversation over understanding the word "fascist" or "fascism."

there are learned scholars saying X and learned scholars saying Y. its no different with Nazi's being "left" or "right." each side disowns them.

the nazi's abrogated peoples' rights to the point of incredible violence and so the question is---who is most like doing that today? or framed another way---despite the aforementioned "disowning", who, under different circumstances, would find themselves willing to have a regime like the Nazi's.

my money's on the left.







heavyblinker -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 4:47:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
there are learned scholars saying X and learned scholars saying Y. its no different with Nazi's being "left" or "right." each side disowns them.


Learned scholars will always tell you Nazism is right-wing... it's conspiracy sites, RWNJ news outlets and idiots on forums like this one who say Nazism is left-wing.

If you want to talk about dictatorships and totalitarianism, then fine... but to go all the way to pretending that Nazism is left wing because you don't want to admit that anything you support could ever go wrong is pathetic.

This discussion needs to end, but of course it never will.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 6:09:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

when I SAID YOU WERE A FELCHGOBBLER; I was describing you.

Which one of you was describing me? You have to define which voice in your head is in control at the time you write mental patient or you're just not worth reading, even for giggles.

I see you are still listening only to the choir of retards in your head. gobble the felch, nutsucker boy.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 6:11:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

sorry---this is the same in essence to a recent conversation over understanding the word "fascist" or "fascism."

there are learned scholars saying X and learned scholars saying Y. its no different with Nazi's being "left" or "right." each side disowns them.

the nazi's abrogated peoples' rights to the point of incredible violence and so the question is---who is most like doing that today? or framed another way---despite the aforementioned "disowning", who, under different circumstances, would find themselves willing to have a regime like the Nazi's.

my money's on the left.





the actions of the right are going to take your money. you have failed again, uneducated imbecile.




tweakabelle -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 6:39:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


there are learned scholars saying X and learned scholars saying Y. its no different with Nazi's being "left" or "right." each side disowns them.

No. As usual you are incorrect. There are no learned scholars alleging that Nazism is left wing.

If you want to dispute this, produce a learned political science scholar who states unequivocally that the Nazis were lefties. You won't be able to - because no learned political scientist would ever describe Nazism as anything other than an extreme right wing phenomenon.

There is a bunch of ignorant rightwing ratbags who are alleging without any evidence that the Nazis were lefties, but anyone who knows anything about the Nazis knows that the lefties were the first people they put in the camps.




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 8:25:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

By the way, Nazis stands for National Socialists. While the lefties of today likes to say it was right wing, it's really lefty socialism. I'm not going to help you with the rest of your struggles here.
The "struggles" I have here are because of people like you that are unread and don't to even want to consider what others might say.

I simple internet search would show you that "National Socialists" a bit of a misnomer.

"The majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism from the subheading "Position in the political spectrum"

Here is a more exacting study of Nazism in the political spectrum.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nazis-considered-to-be-right-wing-parties
And then he even gives what he calls his "personal opinion" which is:
"Conclusion: He was socially so much right, the rest doesn't matter: He was an extreme right. But please remember this is only my own interpretation, it is still pretty wrong to say Hitler was Right. So the next time someone says "Hitler was right" just answer: "No, he was wrong!""
;-)


So, for the first time ever you've read up on a topic and feel comfortable teaching me about it. I'm sure your five minutes of study on the "you can believe every thing written" internet makes your teachings valuable. I'll take them for what they're worth then.

The towering intellect that is Nnanji strikes again! Yes folks the same brain (?) that thinks 'neo-liberals' write books about biology and gender insists against all the evidence that the Nazis were a 'left wing' phenomenon.

Note smooth demolition of a pretender who dares to question this soaring intellect and how any written evidence to support the pretender's position is dismissed out of hand. Surely only a first class erudite mind would dare perform such arrogant feats of intellectual prowess, feats that lesser intellects who still believe that arguing a case on the basis of evidence and not Nnanji's opinion is the way to enlightenment, wouldn't dare attempt .... ?

Sadly no. It has been pointed out to Nnanji, and demonstrated beyond doubt on numerous occasions that the Nazis were in fact fanatical anti-leftists and looney rightwingers just like Nnanji. But our Nnanji has never been one to let the facts get in the way of his prejudice or opinions.

Nnanji's mind is not highly educated as he will have you believe, his ignorance is of awesome dimensions, his opinionsprejudices are usually a dull repetition of the day's talking points on Breitbart or Infowars, never original nor informed, the pathetic bleatings of a pretentious cretin unable to think for himself or form an independent opinion about anything,

That's so funny. Some time ago I read a book written by a Priest that taught at Loyola University. He compared socialism to national socialism right down the line. I'll have to see if I can find the book for you tweak since all of your ability to think appears to just be reciting propaganda you've read, I have it around here somewhere. But, as I've noticed just recently, any surface search of the topic on the Internet will get you only the leftist pap as spouted here by you and milesnmiles. Which certainly will do for your ability to think and understand. But if you actially look for scholarly research not mired in leftist propaganda, which I know you won't do tweak, you'll see other facts...which I do understand you're adverse to accepting tweak.

Anyway the basic differences in the political systems were few, mainly one was nationally oriented and one was internationally oriented. When the German/Soviet pact broke apart upon Hitler's invasion, Stalin was quoted to say that socialism and national socialism are extreme opposites. Lefties have hung their hat on that quote ever since. There was very little difference in the systems but as you know, lefties don't usually need or want facts to rest their ideas upon. Which, tweak, you are a shining example of.

Oh, I know lefties scream to this day that national socialism is opposite of socialism, making it from the right. But, it's just not intellectually honest. Too, as Aylee mentioned, there are hundreds of socialist groups out there all claiming they are the only true socialists and the others are not. An easy example of that is the Stalin purge and subsequent murder of Trotsky because Trotsky advocated making socialism democratic. I guess you could say, since Stalin purged him, that Trotsky was a rightist for wanting to integrate democracy into socialism, but you'd be wrong again.

The point is, no matter how hard you stomp your pretty little foot, or click your heals three times and wish the propaganda in your head was fact, your facts are drek, to quote another source.




Musicmystery -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 8:32:06 AM)

You have raised self-delusion through ad homenim blended into straw man to an art form. In four paragraphs, only four sentences escape.

A remarkable rant.




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 8:40:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


there are learned scholars saying X and learned scholars saying Y. its no different with Nazi's being "left" or "right." each side disowns them.

No. As usual you are incorrect. There are no learned scholars alleging that Nazism is left wing.

If you want to dispute this, produce a learned political science scholar who states unequivocally that the Nazis were lefties. You won't be able to - because no learned political scientist would ever describe Nazism as anything other than an extreme right wing phenomenon.

There is a bunch of ignorant rightwing ratbags who are alleging without any evidence that the Nazis were lefties, but anyone who knows anything about the Nazis knows that the lefties were the first people they put in the camps.

Two minutes looking on the web tweak. Give me another five minutes and I could grow the list, but I know with your limited intellectual capacity it wouldn't serve any purpose.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_and_ideology

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Historian Zeev Sternhell asserted that Fascism, which developed first in France, had “discovered the nation as a revolutionary agent” in an approach to rebel against the “old world conservatives, against the aristocrats, and the bourgeois and against social injustice,” in the theory that the nation would never be complete until it had “integrated the proletariat.”[9]With assistance from French Marxist Georges Sorel and social nationalist Maurice Barrès, [B]fascism sought to “fuse socialism with nationalism,” in order to create a new socialism “for the whole collectivity and a nationalism” that would be the “messenger of unity and unanimity.”[9][10] According to Sternhell, Fascist ideology “was a revision of Marxism and not a variety of Marxism or a consequence of Marxism,” with substantial contributions coming from “French and Italian Sorelians”, and “theoreticians of revolutionary syndicalism” who had made Fascism “a new and original revision of Marxism.”[11]Historian A. James Gregor concurred with Sternhell, writing that Fascism’s most underpinning ideological guidance rose from the “collateral influence of Italy's most radical ‘subversives’ — .




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 8:41:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You have raised self-delusion through ad homenim blended into straw man to an art form. In four paragraphs, only four sentences escape.

A remarkable rant.

Well, aren't you the little ostrich with your head in the sand.




Musicmystery -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 8:43:51 AM)

See? That one you nailed throughout -- ad hominem and straw man, all the while letting the point sail over your head.

Much better.




mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 8:57:57 AM)

Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism


Fascism is right-wing, fiercely nationalist, subjectivist in philosophy, and totalitarian in practice. It is an extreme reactionary form of capitalist government. Fascism began in Italy (1922-43), Germany (1933-45), Spain (1939-75), and various other nations, starting generally in the time between the first and second world war. The origin of the term comes from the Italian word fascismo, derived from the Latin fasces (a bundle of elm or birch rods containing an ax: once a symbol of authority in ancient Rome). Benito Mussolini adopted the symbol as the emblem of the Italian Fascist movement in 1919.

The social composition of Fascist movements have historically been small capitalists, low-level bureaucrats of all stripes (see petty bourgeois), with great success in rural areas, especially among farmers, peasants, and in the city, lumpen proletariat. Meanwhile, fascist leadership invariably comes to power through the sponsorship and funding of big capital. These capitalists along with the top-tier leaders they create become fascism's ruling aristocracy.

Fascism has many different forms: the Italian fascism of Mussolini was often against Hitler’s Fascism, calling it “one hundred percent racism: Against everything and everyone: Yesterday against Christian civilization, today against Latin civilization, tomorrow, who knows, against the civilization of the whole world.” When Hitler began achieving impressive military conquests, which Mussolini had started in Ethiopia in 1935, the two formed an axis of power in June of 1940. The birth of fascism in Germany was aided by Western governments, who for two decades viewed it as the ideology that would successfully crush the Soviet Union. Not until Germany’s tanks were on the borders of England and France did those governments ‘switch’ sides: now it was their imperialist domination being threatened.

While Mussolini had once been a member of the Socialist party (banished from the party for his rampant support of World War I), Hitler fought leftists from the first. Thus it is not without irony, that in the name for his party Hitler used “socialist,” (Nazi = National Socialist) conceding to the ingrained consciousness the German masses had for leftist ideals. It should be noted that fascism supported the community ideal, but not the grassroots power of direct community democracy as Socialism demands, but the obedience and unity of the community to vanguard of the Nation. Further, orthodox fascism constantly parrots the Communist lexicon of working class struggle, etc, for reasons of populism. Neo-fascism, on the other hand, disdains any trace of Socialist/Communist terminology in their labels, and instead appeals to new populist roots: the modern aspirations of many workers to be wealthy, to be stronger than others, etc.

Fascism championed corporate economics, which operated on an anarcho-syndicalist model in reverse: associations of bosses in particular industries determine working conditions, prices, etc. In this form of corporatism, bosses dictate everything from working hours to minimum wages, without government interference. The fascist corporate model differs from the more moderate corporatist model by eradicating all forms of regulatory control that protect workers (so-called "consumers"), the environment, price fixing, insider trading, and destroying all independent workers' organisations. In fascism, the corporate parliament either replaces the representative bodies of government or reduces them to a sham and the state freely intervenes in the activity of companies, either by bestowing favouritism, or handing them over to the control of rivals.

“to believe, to obey, to combat”

There are several fundamental characteristics of fascism, among them are:

1. Right Wing: Fascists are fervently against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism; etc – in essence, they are against the progressive left in total, including moderate leftists (social democrats, etc). Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology, though it can be opportunistic.

2. Nationalism: Fascism places a very strong emphasis on patriotism and nationalism. Criticism of the nation's main ideals, especially war, is lambasted as unpatriotic at best, and treason at worst. State propaganda consistently broadcasts threats of attack, while justifying pre-emptive war. Fascism invariably seeks to instill in its people the warrior mentality: to always be vigilant, wary of strangers and suspicious of foreigners.

3. Hierarchy: Fascist society is ruled by a righteous leader, who is supported by an elite secret vanguard of capitalists. Hierarchy is prevalent throughout all aspects of society – every street, every workplace, every school, will have its local Hitler, part police-informer, part bureaucrat – and society is prepared for war at all times. The absolute power of the social hierarchy prevails over everything, and thus a totalitarian society is formed. Representative government is acceptable only if it can be controlled and regulated, direct democracy (e.g. Communism) is the greatest of all crimes. Any who oppose the social hierarchy of fascism will be imprisoned or executed.

4. Anti-equality: Fascism loathes the principles of economic equality and disdains equality between immigrant and citizen. Some forms of fascism extend the fight against equality into other areas: gender, sexual, minority or religious rights, for example.

5. Religious: Fascism contains a strong amount of reactionary religious beliefs, harking back to times when religion was strict, potent, and pure. Nearly all Fascist societies are Christian, and are supported by Catholic and Protestant churches.

6. Capitalist: Fascism does not require revolution to exist in capitalist society: fascists can be elected into office (though their disdain for elections usually means manipulation of the electoral system). They view parliamentary and congressional systems of government to be inefficient and weak, and will do their best to minimize its power over their policy agenda. Fascism exhibits the worst kind of capitalism where corporate power is absolute, and all vestiges of workers' rights are destroyed.

7. War: Fascism is capitalism at the stage of impotent imperialism. War can create markets that would not otherwise exist by wreaking massive devastation on a society, which then requires reconstruction! Fascism can thus "liberate" the survivors, provide huge loans to that society so fascist corporations can begin the process of rebuilding.

8. Voluntarist Ideology: Fascism adopts a certain kind of “voluntarism;” they believe that an act of will, if sufficiently powerful, can make something true. Thus all sorts of ideas about racial inferiority, historical destiny, even physical science, are supported by means of violence, in the belief that they can be made true. It is this sense that Fascism is subjectivist.

9. Anti-Modern: Fascism loathes all kinds of modernism, especially creativity in the arts, whether acting as a mirror for life (where it does not conform to the Fascist ideal), or expressing deviant or innovative points of view. Fascism invariably burns books and victimises artists, and artists which do not promote the fascists ideals are seen as “decadent.” Fascism is hostile to broad learning and interest in other cultures, since such pursuits threaten the dominance of fascist myths. The peddling of conspiracy theories is usually substituted for the objective study of history

Dietrich Shriver




Nnanji -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 10:08:55 AM)

According to tweak, none of this exists.

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372197/nazis-still-socialists-jonah-goldberg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nazism_and_Stalinism

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Leading West German social democrat Kurt Schumacher famously said that the communists were "red-painted Nazis"[8] and that the two movements enabled each other.
Though the Nazi Party was ideologically opposed to communism, Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders frequently expressed recognition that only in Soviet Russia were their revolutionary and ideological counterparts to be found.[9] Hitler admired Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and Stalinism, and on numerous occasions publicly praised Stalin for seeking to purify the Communist Party of the Soviet Union of Jewish influences, noting the purging of Jewish communists such as Leon Trotsky, Grigory Zinoviev, Lev Kamenev and Karl Radek.[10] Joseph Stalin admired Adolf Hitler and praised Hitler for the 1934 purge, the Night of the Long Knives.




http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/10-similarities-and-differences-of-national-and-democratic-socialism/



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“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” -Adolf Hitler, Quoted in John Toland, “Adolf Hitler”, p224.








mnottertail -> RE: Just what is the alt left? (3/13/2017 10:30:14 AM)

yet the nazis did not meet the most basic definition of socialism.


a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Their economy was regulated by a dictator, and the military-industrial complex..............hey, wait a minute, like the USA!!!




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