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tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:02:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search. In other words, you can't refute the two simple statements i made so far.

Lucylastic -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:07:50 PM)
LOL I can, but I wont. Your statements were talking points, not facts. So there is no need to refute anything.

tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:18:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LOL I can, but I wont. Your statements were talking points, not facts. So there is no need to refute anything. Useless cartoon troll.

Lucylastic -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:24:45 PM)
you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search.

tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:34:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search. I did a search on 'United Nations' with your id and 1 1/2 pages of threads came up, none with titles relative to this discussion.

Nnanji -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:35:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search. I don't believe you ever offered an opinion. I'd guess you may have posted a link to someone with an opinion. Why don't you show everyone your thoughts?

Lucylastic -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:44:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search. I did a search on 'United Nations' with your id and 1 1/2 pages of threads came up, none with titles relative to this discussion. look up human rights. or UNHCR maybe peacekeeping, foreign aid, US arrears... have fun

tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 8:58:24 PM)
Sure... those discussions were about things the UN was discussing and/or doing, but nothing indicated that the US couldn't disentangle itself if it really wanted to.

Nnanji -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 9:30:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search. I did a search on 'United Nations' with your id and 1 1/2 pages of threads came up, none with titles relative to this discussion. look up human rights. or UNHCR maybe peacekeeping, foreign aid, US arrears... have fun And how many of all of that was your opinion?

tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 9:38:52 PM)
What i read were just exerpts from articles about things the UN was discussing ...such as giving women birth control to deal with the Zika (sp?) virus, etc.

Nnanji -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 9:40:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka What i read were just exerpts from articles about things the UN was discussing ...such as giving women birth control to deal with the Zika (sp?) virus, etc. That's what I'd expect. She has no intellectual substance.

longwayhome -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 9:42:48 PM)
Of course the US can disentangle itself from any international body, but it only makes it more difficult to achieve your international policy objectives. For all the isolationist talk and claims of US victimhood, even the Trump administration has international policy objectives and those are best met through engagement rather than storming off every time someone does something you don't like. The cost is that you have to put up with the fact that other countries don't always do or say what you want. The US was instrumental in setting up the League of Nations and the UN and has serious influence there, just as the UK largely wrote the European Declaration of Human Rights and, despite some jokers in the UK saying that we should leave, the UK is actually more successful than many other states in terms of being successful in cases that come before the Court. Likewise the UN is a forum where the US is more powerful than any other individual state. The presence of the US on the UN Human Rights Council and other UN bodies is a positive good. The US only has to live with not always getting its own way, which I realise is a big ask for your new President.

Nnanji -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 9:53:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome Of course the US can disentangle itself from any international body, but it only makes it more difficult to achieve your international policy objectives. For all the isolationist talk and claims of US victimhood, even the Trump administration has international policy objectives and those are best met through engagement rather than storming off every time someone does something you don't like. The cost is that you have to put up with the fact that other countries don't always do or say what you want. The US was instrumental in setting up the League of Nations and the UN and has serious influence there, just as the UK largely wrote the European Declaration of Human Rights and, despite some jokers in the UK saying that we should leave, the UK is actually more successful than many other states in terms of being successful in cases that come before the Court. Likewise the UN is a forum where the US is more powerful than any other individual state. The presence of the US on the UN Human Rights Council and other UN bodies is a positive good. The US only has to live with not always getting its own way, which I realise is a big ask for your new President. Have you watched, at all, what the human rights council has been involved with over the last several years. It's hardly been your description. It's been an in your face gotcha directed at the US. Everything you said is fluff compared to the reality.

Lucylastic -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 10:05:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Sure... those discussions were about things the UN was discussing and/or doing, but nothing indicated that the US couldn't disentangle itself if it really wanted to. But I didnt claim it couldnt disentangle itself, what I said that was that it was more complicated than aylee posited. I never claimed that it couldnt and wouldnt. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic its a little more complicated.....lololol. pathetic. sorry no ceegar You spent a post or two back telling me to mind my own business, but you expect me to prove anything to you or your buddy nanjii. HAH But it has been fun. I hope you had fun searching posts [:)]

tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 10:16:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Sure... those discussions were about things the UN was discussing and/or doing, but nothing indicated that the US couldn't disentangle itself if it really wanted to. But I didnt claim it couldnt disentangle itself, what I said that was that it was more complicated than aylee posited. I never claimed that it couldnt and wouldnt. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic its a little more complicated.....lololol. pathetic. sorry no ceegar You spent a post or two back telling me to mind my own business, but you expect me to prove anything to you or your buddy nanjii. HAH But it has been fun. I hope you had fun searching posts [:)] Well i gave you enough credit to think that perhaps you had posted something of substance somewhere. I guess you just wanted me to do a little research to see that in fact i should not have given you the benefit of the doubt.

longwayhome -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/14/2017 10:26:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome Of course the US can disentangle itself from any international body, but it only makes it more difficult to achieve your international policy objectives. For all the isolationist talk and claims of US victimhood, even the Trump administration has international policy objectives and those are best met through engagement rather than storming off every time someone does something you don't like. The cost is that you have to put up with the fact that other countries don't always do or say what you want. The US was instrumental in setting up the League of Nations and the UN and has serious influence there, just as the UK largely wrote the European Declaration of Human Rights and, despite some jokers in the UK saying that we should leave, the UK is actually more successful than many other states in terms of being successful in cases that come before the Court. Likewise the UN is a forum where the US is more powerful than any other individual state. The presence of the US on the UN Human Rights Council and other UN bodies is a positive good. The US only has to live with not always getting its own way, which I realise is a big ask for your new President. Have you watched, at all, what the human rights council has been involved with over the last several years. It's hardly been your description. It's been an in your face gotcha directed at the US. Everything you said is fluff compared to the reality. Oh poor ickle US. Are the other children kicking dirt in your face? The US gets an awful lot of what it wants - even when the moral case is arguable. Drone strikes on Pakistan, which is not a hostile combatant but a friend of your allies and a country trying to live with the sort of terrorist infiltration you can only dream of in the US. Military operations without UN consent but very few consequences. The use of allies' military and civilian facilities to facilitate rendition and torture. Widespread hacking of friendly governments' politicians. As it happens I am not anti-US in any way and I want to see positive involvement. I have no problem with the UK and other European allies spending proportionate amounts on defence in line with what President Trump (and Obama before him) though was appropriate. We all have to be serious about maintaining our alliances. But I have no time for this argument that the US is being badly done to by the rest of the world. The US is out there playing the game hard and expecting other countries to suck it up. This has been the case under successive administrations, despite what Trump says about refocusing policy to meet US interests. The US is the richest and most powerful country in the world. I think you can handle it.

Dom4life1981 -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 2:41:23 AM)
As long as the US kills babies in the womb they really have no right to be on there now do they.

WhoreMods -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 5:26:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML because we don't like the way Israel is treated (maybe censured for abusing Palestinians?) and because of the presence of flagrant human rights abuser nations like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and China. Oh, the smell of irony in the morning . . This from a nation with a history of abusing people of color and an Administration who is unwilling to disclaim torture. Where is that "shining city on a hill?" The Audacity screams! Your thoughts . . . SOURCE Aren't a lot of the trumptooners anti-zionists who refused to vote for Clinton because she was perceived as a tool of the international jewish conspiracy and an apologist for the ZOG and Wall Street's sinister yiddish manipulators? (We have two or three such posters on here.) Why are they fine with el presidente outing himself as a zionist stooge since his election, when this was one of the biggest parts of what they found so abhorrent about Clinton?

MrRodgers -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 6:29:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Fast Reply Eliminate all US funding for the UN, and force the UN staff and HQ to relocate from NY to any country willing to take them in. Let them go to Geneva, or Beijing, or Cape town, it does not matter, as long as they are out of the US. Then raze the UN building and build a munitions factory in its place. What ? You haven't been watching. The US govt. will exercise its ownership of the building, sell it to a 'distant' Trump company for let's say...50 cents on the dollar, Trump will borrow the money from the Russians, lease it up and then based on decent credit tenants, get a 20 year non-recourse mortgage for $200% of all costs. Then the Russians get their money back, Trump will walk away from it for about the same or 100% profit...tax free.

vincentML -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 6:48:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search. I don't believe you ever offered an opinion. I'd guess you may have posted a link to someone with an opinion. Why don't you show everyone your thoughts? All this ad hom interchange is an awful waste of bandwidth. I gave your intelligence more credit than what is being displayed here. These back and forth personal comments are banal. [:'(]

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