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WickedsDesire -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 7:51:17 AM)
But, China just approved a big bunch of Trump trade marks (strange after a decade long battle just suddenly) VincentML they did indeed....guffaws. What do you think his goods/trademarks will be "taxed" at guffaws even more Hmm the UN a useless entity, not without its merits, well a few. Created in 1946 - brain fog about so lets look this up The UN was formulated and negotiated among the delegations from the Allied Big Four (the Soviet Union, the UK, the US, and China) at the Dumbarton Oaks Conference in 1944 Well at least you can torture away, rendition, on home soil (well you do that anyway eve I know that-ofbook)...i believe the "British" did likewise, well a least to this extent working rights bits and bobs etc not to be confused with & Theresa May, non elected may, 'will campaign to leave the European Convention on Human Rights in 2020 election' Incidentally boscox you cannot have it both ways...Eye for an eye, becoming the animals, for every one of 1 of us they kill well will kill 100 (that maths never adds up), etc You forgot to add in the unicorns WM I actually forget the original definition of Zionist brain fog but i can assure you most do not know, have never known, just a word for people to channel hate (schadenfreude is best a reason as I can think off) - so that was why his campaign was so successful schadenfreude - now what does that mean - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude Not feeling that is the correct descriptor - so i will go with the usual bigots, homophobic, RWNJ, etc

Aylee -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:14:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Fast Reply Eliminate all US funding for the UN, and force the UN staff and HQ to relocate from NY to any country willing to take them in. Let them go to Geneva, or Beijing, or Cape town, it does not matter, as long as they are out of the US. Then raze the UN building and build a munitions factory in its place. Why, Aylee? Seems drastic. What reasons, please? Because you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. What, exactly, has the UN done? Spread cholera? Child rape? Monument destruction? Its 'army' is too pathetic to do anything, let alone stop a hot war. The UN, for all its flowery promises, was designed with appalling flaws from the start. The UN operates with no real accountability, no functional moral compass, and no mechanism for acquiring any such vital features. The problems that lead almost inevitably to the UN's bigotry, waste and abuse of its lavish funding and ever-expanding mandates are written into its tyrant-friendly, diplomatically immune collectively irresponsible DNA. The incentives suggest, and the record goes far to confirm, that for America the effort to genuinely reform the UN is a project about as promising as investing in the golden future of the workhorse, Boxer, in George Orwell's "Animal Farm." How about we give up the whole kumbaya citizens of the world unite nonsense. When will we let the terrible ideas of two centuries ago die? How many mass genocides have occurred since its founding? How many wars has it stopped? How many lives has it saved? Seems to me it is a giant time suck, and waste of energy not to mention all the money flushed down the toilet so these clowns can do whatever they want.

Musicmystery -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:17:19 AM)
~FR~ When we're done proving we're all independent and shit, we're going to wake up one day and find we have no leadership in the world. And that's going to work against our own interests. Other countries will be setting the agenda.

tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:23:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ When we're done proving we're all independent and shit, we're going to wake up one day and find we have no leadership in the world. And that's going to work against our own interests. Other countries will be setting the agenda. Agenda for what? Nothing that will effect the US one way or another.

Milesnmiles -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:31:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you were the one claiming " Lucy... you're just a fish out of water... talking about pathetic." Ive spoken about it before here in the forums, do a search. I don't believe you ever offered an opinion. I'd guess you may have posted a link to someone with an opinion. Why don't you show everyone your thoughts? All this ad hom interchange is an awful waste of bandwidth. I gave your intelligence more credit than what is being displayed here. These back and forth personal comments are banal. [:'(] I was going to say something similar but you beat me to it. Now I'm forced to try and come up with a comment on the actual OP. ;-)

Musicmystery -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:32:20 AM)
I understand that's your belief. And that of others like you. I doubt it's realistic in the global reality in which we live. But I get that you're not going to see that, so best of luck to us all.

Milesnmiles -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:34:49 AM)
The UN was a nice idea but was gutted from the outset, having no real power to do anything. So if the US who pays for the whole thing left the UN it would dry up like leaves in the fall, just wouldn't take as long.

Musicmystery -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:37:47 AM)
The US pays 22% -- the lion's share, certainly, but hardly "the whole thing."

WhoreMods -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:39:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The US pays 22% -- the lion's share, certainly, but hardly "the whole thing." Come to that, is the US actually up to date on that 22%, or is it still in arrears? I don't think payments to the UN have been a priority for any president since the turn of the millennium, have they?

Milesnmiles -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:44:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ When we're done proving we're all independent and shit, we're going to wake up one day and find we have no leadership in the world. And that's going to work against our own interests. Other countries will be setting the agenda. We've been on the edge of that for years and the only thing that has delayed it is the power of US currency but in resent years that has been devalued (thanks in part to the Right's obstructionism) and once the world has switched to other "currencies" the US will nothing more than another 3rd world country. But Trump is going fix all that and make America great again isn't he? ;-)

Milesnmiles -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:46:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The US pays 22% -- the lion's share, certainly, but hardly "the whole thing." You are correct, I was using hyperbole but honestly if the "lion's share" were to go away so would the UN. ;-)

Musicmystery -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:48:34 AM)
Maybe. I'm not so sure.

WickedsDesire -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 9:50:52 AM)
Look just give me the button WM I will only press it twice, forever the twain is I. They do not pay for the good, they simply like fiddling - how much do they owe do not look at me I do not know save U.S. arrears to the UN currently total over $1.3 billion. Of this, $612 million is payable under Helms-Biden. The remaining $700 million result from various legislative and policy withholdings; at present, there are no plans to pay these amounts

vincentML -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 10:03:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Fast Reply Eliminate all US funding for the UN, and force the UN staff and HQ to relocate from NY to any country willing to take them in. Let them go to Geneva, or Beijing, or Cape town, it does not matter, as long as they are out of the US. Then raze the UN building and build a munitions factory in its place. Why, Aylee? Seems drastic. What reasons, please? Because you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. What, exactly, has the UN done? Spread cholera? Child rape? Monument destruction? Its 'army' is too pathetic to do anything, let alone stop a hot war. The UN, for all its flowery promises, was designed with appalling flaws from the start. The UN operates with no real accountability, no functional moral compass, and no mechanism for acquiring any such vital features. The problems that lead almost inevitably to the UN's bigotry, waste and abuse of its lavish funding and ever-expanding mandates are written into its tyrant-friendly, diplomatically immune collectively irresponsible DNA. The incentives suggest, and the record goes far to confirm, that for America the effort to genuinely reform the UN is a project about as promising as investing in the golden future of the workhorse, Boxer, in George Orwell's "Animal Farm." How about we give up the whole kumbaya citizens of the world unite nonsense. When will we let the terrible ideas of two centuries ago die? How many mass genocides have occurred since its founding? How many wars has it stopped? How many lives has it saved? Seems to me it is a giant time suck, and waste of energy not to mention all the money flushed down the toilet so these clowns can do whatever they want. I love your passionate and forceful reply but I cannot agree. The UN was created in 1945 for one main purpose: to stop a third major power war. So far, it and the potential nuclear Armageddon have been successful. The world has never been more interconnected with such speed of communications. The UN provides a place to pause and air grievances. It is helpful to remember that any UN action can be stopped by the vote of only one of five major contributor nations. However, here is a list of forty-eight UN accomplishments published in 2012. [:)]

Musicmystery -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 10:04:48 AM)
And the biggest obstacle to UN accountability is the US, which doesn't want to be held accountable.

WickedsDesire -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 10:19:08 AM)
Well that was a nice catch WM - even I did not know that (honest)...just sit back like I and watch poverty take on lesser poverty

tamaka -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 10:23:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And the biggest obstacle to UN accountability is the US, which doesn't want to be held accountable. No, it's called being a free country and not having to submit ourselves to any throne.

WickedsDesire -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 10:27:18 AM)
Do you understand now why i would hit that launch button twice?

Milesnmiles -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 10:46:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I love your passionate and forceful reply but I cannot agree. The UN was created in 1945 for one main purpose: to stop a third major power war. So far, it and the potential nuclear Armageddon have been successful. The world has never been more interconnected with such speed of communications. The UN provides a place to pause and air grievances. It is helpful to remember that any UN action can be stopped by the vote of only one of five major contributor nations. However, here is a list of forty-eight UN accomplishments published in 2012. [:)] Well like you say; "I can't agree". To me the UN has been a nice symbol of peace but I would say the reason for there being no third major power war or nuclear Armageddon have been because of other things and not because of the UN.

longwayhome -> RE: US threatens exit from UN Human Rights Counsel (3/15/2017 1:52:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ When we're done proving we're all independent and shit, we're going to wake up one day and find we have no leadership in the world. And that's going to work against our own interests. Other countries will be setting the agenda. Short, to the point and entirely correct. You don't gain influence by absenting yourself - you lose it, and that doesn't work for the best interests of the US or any other country.

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