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bounty44 -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 5:43:07 AM)

ironically enough, I just posted an article by dennis prager yesterday which talks about how the left feels justified in referring to what the right does, as being "Nazi-like."




heavyblinker -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 5:51:00 AM)

It isn't a war on the poor, it's more like idiots voted for a disgusting piece of shit who wants to give himself and his associates a lot of perks. Hurting the poor is just a way to accomplish this goal-- it's really nothing personal, at least, until they complain about it.




BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 5:55:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

ironically enough, I just posted an article by dennis prager yesterday which talks about how the left feels justified in referring to what the right does, as being "Nazi-like."


Vince got most of his talking points from the propaganda feed known as VOX

They suck the propaganda organs until they are engorged and ready to explode, then they come to places like this and spew their guts out

All disinformation, too.




Lucylastic -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:00:31 AM)

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.






freedomdwarf1 -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:04:53 AM)

Typical GOP politics.
Nothing new in that.




BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:12:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet




Lucylastic -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:16:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet



What is the lie and what is the disinformation.
Please give some proof?
Please not just more drivel?

Not to mention that 50 % Of the population earn less than 31,000 a year.
How can they pay what they dont earn?




vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:30:07 AM)

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Do you actually think rural women have good access to PP? They don't. I do not consider the town I am in to be rural, but it would still take about 90 minutes to drive to the nearest PP. For a pap smear, an abortion, or std testing. And they charge for those or bill your insurance. Now, if I lived in a rural area, the drive would be longer. For less care than I can get at a doctor's office. Now, the county health department that offers all the same services EXCEPT abortion, has a free program for those who income qualify, and is not that far away. Even when I was living at the edge of the county, I would not have had to drive an hour and a half. So, no, I do not buy the premise that PP is necessary for women's health reasons.


You make a good point, Aylee. I live in a county that is over 1300 square miles in area. People have serious travel handicaps if they are without a car.

But 'live and learn' for me. Here is more about the issue:

The numbers alone are close to accurate. There are about 650 Planned Parenthood health centers. There are more than 9,800 health center delivery sites in the federal Health Center Program and about 4,100 in the Rural Health Clinic program. Under these programs, outpatient primary care clinics get reimbursed by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services for helping medically underserved populations.

But there are technical differences, especially with rural health clinics.

Ryan uses the term “federal community health centers,” which is used interchangeably with federally qualified health centers in the political debate over Planned Parenthood funding. Medicaid is a major source of revenue for both Planned Parenthood clinics and federally qualified health centers. So legislation to “defund” Planned Parenthood focuses on pulling Medicaid funding and other federal grants from Planned Parenthood and redirecting them to federally qualified health centers.

Planned Parenthood primarily serves low-income patients, according to its data. Of about 2.5 million patients it reportedly served in 2015, 75 percent had income at or below 150 percent of the federal poverty level.

Federally qualified health centers are required to provide care to everyone, regardless of whether they can pay, and offer sliding-scale fees based on the patient’s ability to pay. These health centers serve a larger and more diverse patient population than Planned Parenthood because they offer more comprehensive services (primary, dental, behavioral health).

Both Planned Parenthood and federally qualified health centers provide family planning services. But federally qualified health centers, in total and individually, provide fewer contraceptive services than Planned Parenthood, according to the Congressional Research Service. In 2014, the health centers in total provided 1.3 million contraceptive services and Planned Parenthood clinics provided 3.6 million.

As Ryan says, federally qualified health centers and rural health clinics do provide the types of women’s health services (other than abortions) that Planned Parenthood does: STD/STI testing and treatment, contraception, cancer screening and prevention, and other services, such as pregnancy tests and prenatal services.

But rural health clinics are not required to provide services to low-income patients and aren’t required to offer a sliding-fee scale. And they’re not required to offer family planning services.

“While many RHCs [rural health clinics] have a sliding fee scale and see patients regardless of financial implications, some RHCs would not see patients if the patient was uninsured or low income due to financial constraints,” said Nathan Baugh, government affairs director for the National Association of Rural Health Clinics.

Baugh added that some rural health clinics “might not be able to absorb those Planned Parenthood patients if they do not have access to the grant money” that is appropriated for federally qualified health centers.


COMPLETE ARTICLE




BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:32:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet



What is the lie and what is the disinformation.
Please give some proof?
Please not just more drivel?

Not to mention that 50 % Of the population earn less than 31,000 a year.
How can they pay what they dont earn?


Welfare programs serve two purposes. 1., they serve as means for corrupt fat cat leftist politicians to purchase votes with hard earned tax dollar, and 2., they harm the people by among other things creating dependence and destroying economies. Monies used to purchase votes would work far harder in the free market to reduce poverty

The rallying cry of the useful idiot leftist is always something along the order of, "Poor stupid helpless blacks - we are going to rob Peter so that you will never have to work for those rich smart white bastards again!! "

Or, "If you kick out all of the Hispanics, who is going to clean your toilet Donald Trump???"

Or, "We know women are totally helpless victims without US micromanaging everything..."

Invariably something like that





Lucylastic -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:37:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet



What is the lie and what is the disinformation.
Please give some proof?
Please not just more drivel?

Not to mention that 50 % Of the population earn less than 31,000 a year.
How can they pay what they dont earn?


Welfare programs serve two purposes. 1., they serve as means for corrupt fat cat leftist politicians to purchase votes with hard earned tax dollar, and 2., they harm the people by among other things creating dependence and destroying economies. Monies used to purchase votes would work far harder in the free market to reduce poverty

The rallying cry of the useful idiot leftist is always something along the order of, "Poor stupid helpless blacks - we are going to rob Peter so that you will never have to work for those rich smart white bastards again!! "

Or, "If you kick out all of the Hispanics, who is going to clean your toilet Donald Trump???"

Or, "We know women are totally helpless victims without US micromanaging everything..."

Invariably something like that



What is the lie and what is the disinformation.
Please give some proof?
not just more drivel?




vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:37:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet

The poor get the shaft when bankers and speculators destroy economies. We have had several examples here, the latest in 2008.

Give us an example or two when Leftists destroyed economies "time and time again."




BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:39:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

You make a good point, Aylee. I live in a county that is over 1300 square miles in area. People have serious travel handicaps if they are without a car.


Which reminds me, of how leftists work to make travel unavoidable for the poor. Canceling pipelines, closing off oil fields, working to tax every form of energy to the point that it is out of reach for the poor on account of their "global warming" cult

"No heat, no car, no air conditioning for you grandma, and everything costs a fortune to ship - sorry not sorry"




vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:39:57 AM)

quote:

The rallying cry of the useful idiot leftist is always something along the order of,

Bosco, you use the words "leftist" and "liberal" very loosely. Can you distinguish between the two?




Lucylastic -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:40:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet

The poor get the shaft when bankers and speculators destroy economies. We have had several examples here, the latest in 2008.

Give us an example or two when Leftists destroyed economies "time and time again."

2008 was the fault of obama, or ....the dems from 2006.
no body else, dontcha know[;)]




vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:41:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

You make a good point, Aylee. I live in a county that is over 1300 square miles in area. People have serious travel handicaps if they are without a car.


Which reminds me, of how leftists work to make travel unavoidable for the poor. Canceling pipelines, closing off oil fields, working to tax every form of energy to the point that it is out of reach for the poor on account of their "global warming" cult

"No heat, no car, no air conditioning for you grandma, and everything costs a fortune to ship - sorry not sorry"

Bah.... the price of oil has dropped because of oversupply.




vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:45:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet

Corporate share of federal tax revenue has dropped by two-thirds in 60 years — from 32% in 1952 to 10% in 2013.




BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:45:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have to wonder why there is a 3.8 percent tax cuts for high income payers. which will save...158 billion for those people but by cutting hundreds of billions from medicare they are not attacking the poor?
The poor still getting the shaft and the blame.





You can't cut taxes for people who never pay in and only receive refunds

But don't let the facts interfere with disseminating your hateful lies and disinformation

"The poor" get the shaft when leftists destroy economies, it has happened again and again and again and again all over the planet

The poor get the shaft when bankers and speculators destroy economies. We have had several examples here, the latest in 2008.

Give us an example or two when Leftists destroyed economies "time and time again."


We don't have to argue about this. Your policies have already played out South of here, we can see how your ideals play out in the real world

Venezuela is the end result of a socialist's wet dream

Bernie Sanders praised Venezuela as the model socialist state

Congratulations Bolivarian Socialists, Venezuela Caught Up With North Korea

Venezuela's spiraling violence





BoscoX -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:47:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

You make a good point, Aylee. I live in a county that is over 1300 square miles in area. People have serious travel handicaps if they are without a car.


Which reminds me, of how leftists work to make travel unavoidable for the poor. Canceling pipelines, closing off oil fields, working to tax every form of energy to the point that it is out of reach for the poor on account of their "global warming" cult

"No heat, no car, no air conditioning for you grandma, and everything costs a fortune to ship - sorry not sorry"

Bah.... the price of oil has dropped because of oversupply.


Despite the leftist agenda




vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:48:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

ironically enough, I just posted an article by dennis prager yesterday which talks about how the left feels justified in referring to what the right does, as being "Nazi-like."


Vince got most of his talking points from the propaganda feed known as VOX

They suck the propaganda organs until they are engorged and ready to explode, then they come to places like this and spew their guts out

All disinformation, too.

Well, we all have different preferences for what we suck, hey?




vincentML -> RE: War on the Poor? (3/16/2017 6:50:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

ironically enough, I just posted an article by dennis prager yesterday which talks about how the left feels justified in referring to what the right does, as being "Nazi-like."

Dennis Prager? [sm=happy-smiley58.gif]




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