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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/24/2017 8:15:55 PM   
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House Leaders Cancel Vote On Obamacare Repeal In Devastating Setback

"The postponement is a devastating defeat for Trump and Ryan, and a major setback in the crusade against Obamacare that has defined Republican Party politics for seven years."

Good,we are in agreement.

This thing was a hastily patched together cluster. We need to drop the partisanship and work together on a sustainable system. And while I support Trump-he needs to back his ego the fuck off, and start acting like a leader-not a reality show hack.

Democrats will work with Trump in improving O-care as soon as he takes "repeal" off the table. By blaming them for the failure of his first major piece of legislation he is closing the door on any possible cooperation. Face it, Trump doesn't give a shit what's in the ACA Law. He probably did not know what was in the AHCA Bill. He is only interested in winning, what ever piece of shit legislation is brought before him. He has a narcissistic compulsion to win.

I'm interested in US winning,and shaving880 million off of medicare to give to the military is bullshit.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/24/2017 8:41:08 PM   
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I do find it interesting that you all start talking about Trump in this post. What all American’s need to talk about is there heath care and who is paying for it period. How much you are going to pay for health care insurance because I know no one is going to pay cash for all their medical needs. American’s have a problem now and it will take congress to fix it no matter how they fix it. As it is now American’s spend 20% of every dollar on health care. Most that make under 40 thousand per year are spend a lot more than the 20% for overall health care. Yea I know you all want prof ok so fire up your calculator. Cost of the plan plus the deductible divided by 12 months. That is the cost of your health care if you really intended to use your health care. I remember not that long ago that a lot of emergency rooms in southern calf. closed because they went broke (before aca). Here is my point when no one has health insurance they go to the ER. They must treat you (oh that’s why you went there) and do not have the cash to pay the bill (remember that’s why we got aca). Now what I want to know is we are headed down that same road now what do you want the government to do???????????

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 5:41:11 AM   
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I do find it interesting that you all start talking about Trump in this post.

Because the tiny handed cockwomble is the president at the moment, and he campaigned on repealing the aca and replacing it with something "better"?
Maybe it's just me, but that does seem to make his failure (and subsequent tantrum) over that somewhat topical...

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 6:20:22 AM   
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When are people going to wake up?

Yes, Obama Care needs a serious tune up but if you think the Right is going to do anything but get rid of it, you are sorely mistaken.

And the Right is not going to replace Obama Care with anything because the powerful health care industry (including the big pharma industry) doesn’t want it.

And I didn't talk about Trump one time, oops!

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 9:03:19 AM   
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In 2009 Americans through the Dem Party stated they wanted Government to support healthcare for all. Actually, the matter had been settled in principle with the passage of Medicaid and Medicare. The Republican Party had eight years to fulminate against healthcare for all. When their opportunity came they blew it. People on the right will let you take away their Obamacare but not their ACA.

The Republicans have reached a fork in the road. They can either continue along the bitter, spiteful path of denying healthcare to the "least of us," or they can collaborate with the Dems to reduce costs and increase the number of people covered. It can be done. It will require overcoming the lobbying efforts of the Healthcare providers and the pharmaceutical companies.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 9:53:40 AM   
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wifey2 I vaguely remember... it was for your own good ( a shake if you like - shake of wickeds spunk is available on muffin bay for 1 bar of gold ) As you have been letting them them upset you - this I noticed. Now crush them all..and never forget bowling green I only read somewhere between 10-25% of all posts.

Now did you make me muffins or not?

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 10:09:27 AM   
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In 2009 Americans through the Dem Party stated they wanted Government to support healthcare for all. Actually, the matter had been settled in principle with the passage of Medicaid and Medicare. The Republican Party had eight years to fulminate against healthcare for all. When their opportunity came they blew it. People on the right will let you take away their Obamacare but not their ACA.

The Republicans have reached a fork in the road. They can either continue along the bitter, spiteful path of denying healthcare to the "least of us," or they can collaborate with the Dems to reduce costs and increase the number of people covered. It can be done. It will require overcoming the lobbying efforts of the Healthcare providers and the pharmaceutical companies.

You know, it really comes down to this: after 7 years and 67 (whatever it is) votes to repeal (and "replace"), when they finally had their shot, they had nothing. Totally starting from scratch.

Why? Because it never was about fixing health care--it was always about denying it.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 12:43:20 PM   
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Schadenfreude can be so fucking arousing




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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 3:50:13 PM   
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In 2009 Americans through the Dem Party stated they wanted Government to support healthcare for all. Actually, the matter had been settled in principle with the passage of Medicaid and Medicare. The Republican Party had eight years to fulminate against healthcare for all. When their opportunity came they blew it. People on the right will let you take away their Obamacare but not their ACA.

The Republicans have reached a fork in the road. They can either continue along the bitter, spiteful path of denying healthcare to the "least of us," or they can collaborate with the Dems to reduce costs and increase the number of people covered. It can be done. It will require overcoming the lobbying efforts of the Healthcare providers and the pharmaceutical companies.

You know, it really comes down to this: after 7 years and 67 (whatever it is) votes to repeal (and "replace"), when they finally had their shot, they had nothing. Totally starting from scratch.

Why? Because it never was about fixing health care--it was always about denying it.

You think my hopes and expectations may be too high?

You may be right.

The alternative is to regain control of the government.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 5:18:56 PM   
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House Leaders Cancel Vote On Obamacare Repeal In Devastating Setback

"The postponement is a devastating defeat for Trump and Ryan, and a major setback in the crusade against Obamacare that has defined Republican Party politics for seven years."


Not really. It took decades for neo-liberals to get compulsory health insurance legislation passed, and remember Obamacare itself being a long legislative slug fest with a few failures along the way. I can wait a few more months for it to be rescinded. The Republicans did a poor job in the planning, crafting and attempt to pass the American Healthcare Act. I hope they learn from their errors.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/25/2017 5:55:24 PM   
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The GOP has been actively doing as much as they can to sabotage ACA from the beginning.

The original bill needed to be modified to get it past the GOP in the senate... and so they removed the possibility of a public option that would have controlled premiums.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/to-improve-obamacarereconsidertheoriginalhousebill.html

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However, the CBO also estimated last fall that an aggressive public option would reduce the deficit by almost $160 billion over the next 10 years. Why? Because the CBO estimates that premiums would be 7 to 8 percent lower than the private plans offered by “Obamacare.” That’s a lot of savings for both families and the government.


Essentially, everything that is bad about Obamacare is due to the Republicans.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 8:57:51 AM   
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Thing is, there's an opening for Trump to sit down with Democrats and say "OK, what would actually fix this," and then get the handful of Republicans they need to pass it. Totally doable.

Instead? Democrats are among the broad spectrum of people he's blaming for his own leadership failure (no one said it was easy). If it's lonely at the top, you're a hiker, not a leader.

Alienating the various groups you'll need to pass later legislation? Not a great leadership strategy either.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 11:50:26 AM   
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House Leaders Cancel Vote On Obamacare Repeal In Devastating Setback

"The postponement is a devastating defeat for Trump and Ryan, and a major setback in the crusade against Obamacare that has defined Republican Party politics for seven years."


Not really. It took decades for neo-liberals to get compulsory health insurance legislation passed, and remember Obamacare itself being a long legislative slug fest with a few failures along the way. I can wait a few more months for it to be rescinded. The Republicans did a poor job in the planning, crafting and attempt to pass the American Healthcare Act. I hope they learn from their errors.

I suggest you revisit your understanding of "neo-liberals."

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 12:19:16 PM   
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Interesting story, from TPM from a townhall in texas this past weekend.
People are still angry

GOP Rep. Faced Raucous Town Hall In Texas After Obamacare Repeal Failed

The day after House Republicans yanked their bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, Rep. John Culberson (R-TX) faced a loud, angry crowd back home in Texas.

During a town hall event on Saturday, hundreds of constituents packed into a middle school auditorium for an hour and a half, asking Culberson about Republicans' health care agenda and President Donald Trump.

"You know what, folks? I'm either going to answer the question, or we're just going to spend the time yelling," Culberson told the raucous crowd at one point, according to the Houston Chronicle.

The congressman told attendees that even though Republicans failed to pass the American Health Care Act, he was still committed to repealing and replacing Obamacare.

"The only way to fix it is to replace it," he said as some members of the crowd chanted, "Fix it," according to the Texas Tribune.

Culberson was also asked about Trump's proposed cuts to the State Department. Culberson said he did not support the cuts as the crowd chanted, "Yes or no," per the Texas Tribune.

"I just answered," he said as the crowd continued to chant, according to the publuication. "The answer is no. ... I'll work hard to protect the Department of State."

He also said he would support funding for the National Institutes for Health and the National Endowment for the Arts, per the Texas Tribune. He told the crowd that he would support funding for public broadcasting in the short term, but that those programs should "ultimately" be self-supporting, which was met with boos from the crowd, according to the Houston Chronicle.

Culberson was also met with jeers when he said it is "up to the President" whether he releases his tax returns, according to KHOU.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/culberson-raucous-town-hall-texas

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 1:25:37 PM   
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Interesting story, from TPM from a townhall in texas this past weekend.
People are still angry

GOP Rep. Faced Raucous Town Hall In Texas After Obamacare Repeal Failed

The day after House Republicans yanked their bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, Rep. John Culberson (R-TX) faced a loud, angry crowd back home in Texas.

During a town hall event on Saturday, hundreds of constituents packed into a middle school auditorium for an hour and a half, asking Culberson about Republicans' health care agenda and President Donald Trump.

"You know what, folks? I'm either going to answer the question, or we're just going to spend the time yelling," Culberson told the raucous crowd at one point, according to the Houston Chronicle.

The congressman told attendees that even though Republicans failed to pass the American Health Care Act, he was still committed to repealing and replacing Obamacare.

"The only way to fix it is to replace it," he said as some members of the crowd chanted, "Fix it," according to the Texas Tribune.

Culberson was also asked about Trump's proposed cuts to the State Department. Culberson said he did not support the cuts as the crowd chanted, "Yes or no," per the Texas Tribune.

"I just answered," he said as the crowd continued to chant, according to the publuication. "The answer is no. ... I'll work hard to protect the Department of State."

He also said he would support funding for the National Institutes for Health and the National Endowment for the Arts, per the Texas Tribune. He told the crowd that he would support funding for public broadcasting in the short term, but that those programs should "ultimately" be self-supporting, which was met with boos from the crowd, according to the Houston Chronicle.

Culberson was also met with jeers when he said it is "up to the President" whether he releases his tax returns, according to KHOU.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/culberson-raucous-town-hall-texas


Fancy a bet on which of our resident trumptooners will be whining about naziliberal provocateurs sneaky into the townhall to disrupt it first?

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 1:50:57 PM   
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I think he hiding too embarrassed to post, but I could be wrong. it wont last tho:)

Culberson isnt the only one still getting issues from their constituents, at town halls.

Did you see btw, Trump put out a tweet on friday for his base to watch foxs "judge" Jeanine Pirro.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/845646761704243200

WHen the show started, this is what she had to say
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/26/judge-jeanine-pirro-paul-ryan-must-go-now.html


yikes.
I dont see him being around long
Listening to the freedom caucus, is hilarious, altho
most all of them are blaming dems still
ryan has the sword hanging over his head.
Mind you Nunes could go, before RYan, he should do.


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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 2:32:06 PM   
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Whoa. If you think Republicans are the drivers of the economy and Democrats are the brakes, you've been sniffing the partisan glue.

Right now I'm not happy with either party, but come on.


No one has a better answer.

The best answer is...do more with less...(which is what you would do with your assets).

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 2:37:31 PM   
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in that vein, it would seem that cutting defense and corporate welfare considerably would be in line with the thoughts, particularly since it hasnt been a big profit center for us as of late. Maybe move some of that spending into more fruitful areas, single payer, infrastructure, education.........something with a payoff.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/27/2017 2:40:24 PM   
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There is that.

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RE: TRUMPCARE DEAD for now . . - 3/29/2017 4:40:10 PM   
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I suggest you revisit your understanding of "neo-liberals."


Absolutely, revisiting my concepts is always a good suggestion. What is your take on neo-liberalism?

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