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LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 6:28:28 PM   
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Our Dishonest President
PART I
Our Dishonest President
PART II
Monday
PART III
Tuesday
PART IV
Wednesday
By THE LA TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD

APRIL 2, 2017

It was no secret during the campaign that Donald Trump was a narcissist and a demagogue who used fear and dishonesty to appeal to the worst in American voters. The Times called him unprepared and unsuited for the job he was seeking, and said his election would be a “catastrophe.”

Still, nothing prepared us for the magnitude of this train wreck. Like millions of other Americans, we clung to a slim hope that the new president would turn out to be all noise and bluster, or that the people around him in the White House would act as a check on his worst instincts, or that he would be sobered and transformed by the awesome responsibilities of office.

Instead, seventy-some days in — and with about 1,400 to go before his term is completed — it is increasingly clear that those hopes were misplaced.

In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all.

His attempt to de-insure millions of people who had finally received healthcare coverage and, along the way, enact a massive transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich has been put on hold for the moment. But he is proceeding with his efforts to defang the government’s regulatory agencies and bloat the Pentagon’s budget even as he supposedly retreats from the global stage.

These are immensely dangerous developments which threaten to weaken this country’s moral standing in the world, imperil the planet and reverse years of slow but steady gains by marginalized or impoverished Americans. But, chilling as they are, these radically wrongheaded policy choices are not, in fact, the most frightening aspect of the Trump presidency.

What is most worrisome about Trump is Trump himself. He is a man so unpredictable, so reckless, so petulant, so full of blind self-regard, so untethered to reality that it is impossible to know where his presidency will lead or how much damage he will do to our nation. His obsession with his own fame, wealth and success, his determination to vanquish enemies real and imagined, his craving for adulation — these traits were, of course, at the very heart of his scorched-earth outsider campaign; indeed, some of them helped get him elected. But in a real presidency in which he wields unimaginable power, they are nothing short of disastrous.

Although his policies are, for the most part, variations on classic Republican positions (many of which would have been undertaken by a President Ted Cruz or a President Marco Rubio), they become far more dangerous in the hands of this imprudent and erratic man. Many Republicans, for instance, support tighter border security and a tougher response to illegal immigration, but Trump’s cockamamie border wall, his impracticable campaign promise to deport all 11 million people living in the country illegally and his blithe disregard for the effect of such proposals on the U.S. relationship with Mexico turn a very bad policy into an appalling one.

In the days ahead, The Times editorial board will look more closely at the new president, with a special attention to three troubling traits:

1) Trump’s shocking lack of respect for those fundamental rules and institutions on which our government is based. Since Jan. 20, he has repeatedly disparaged and challenged those entities that have threatened his agenda, stoking public distrust of essential institutions in a way that undermines faith in American democracy. He has questioned the qualifications of judges and the integrity of their decisions, rather than acknowledging that even the president must submit to the rule of law. He has clashed with his own intelligence agencies, demeaned government workers and questioned the credibility of the electoral system and the Federal Reserve. He has lashed out at journalists, declaring them “enemies of the people,” rather than defending the importance of a critical, independent free press. His contempt for the rule of law and the norms of government are palpable.

2) His utter lack of regard for truth. Whether it is the easily disprovable boasts about the size of his inauguration crowd or his unsubstantiated assertion that Barack Obama bugged Trump Tower, the new president regularly muddies the waters of fact and fiction. It’s difficult to know whether he actually can’t distinguish the real from the unreal — or whether he intentionally conflates the two to befuddle voters, deflect criticism and undermine the very idea of objective truth. Whatever the explanation, he is encouraging Americans to reject facts, to disrespect science, documents, nonpartisanship and the mainstream media — and instead to simply take positions on the basis of ideology and preconceived notions. This is a recipe for a divided country in which differences grow deeper and rational compromise becomes impossible.

3) His scary willingness to repeat alt-right conspiracy theories, racist memes and crackpot, out-of-the-mainstream ideas. Again, it is not clear whether he believes them or merely uses them. But to cling to disproven “alternative” facts; to retweet racists; to make unverifiable or false statements about rigged elections and fraudulent voters; to buy into discredited conspiracy theories first floated on fringe websites and in supermarket tabloids — these are all of a piece with the Barack Obama birther claptrap that Trump was peddling years ago and which brought him to political prominence. It is deeply alarming that a president would lend the credibility of his office to ideas that have been rightly rejected by politicians from both major political parties.

Where will this end? Will Trump moderate his crazier campaign positions as time passes? Or will he provoke confrontation with Iran, North Korea or China, or disobey a judge’s order or order a soldier to violate the Constitution? Or, alternately, will the system itself — the Constitution, the courts, the permanent bureaucracy, the Congress, the Democrats, the marchers in the streets — protect us from him as he alienates more and more allies at home and abroad, steps on his own message and creates chaos at the expense of his ability to accomplish his goals? Already, Trump’s job approval rating has been hovering in the mid-30s, according to Gallup, a shockingly low level of support for a new president. And that was before his former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, offered to cooperate last week with congressional investigators looking into the connection between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.

On Inauguration Day, we wrote on this page that it was not yet time to declare a state of “wholesale panic” or to call for blanket “non-cooperation” with the Trump administration. Despite plenty of dispiriting signals, that is still our view. The role of the rational opposition is to stand up for the rule of law, the electoral process, the peaceful transfer of power and the role of institutions; we should not underestimate the resiliency of a system in which laws are greater than individuals and voters are as powerful as presidents. This nation survived Andrew Jackson and Richard Nixon. It survived slavery. It survived devastating wars. Most likely, it will survive again.

But if it is to do so, those who oppose the new president’s reckless and heartless agenda must make their voices heard. Protesters must raise their banners. Voters must turn out for elections. Members of Congress — including and especially Republicans — must find the political courage to stand up to Trump. Courts must safeguard the Constitution. State legislators must pass laws to protect their citizens and their policies from federal meddling. All of us who are in the business of holding leaders accountable must redouble our efforts to defend the truth from his cynical assaults.

The United States is not a perfect country, and it has a great distance to go before it fully achieves its goals of liberty and equality. But preserving what works and defending the rules and values on which democracy depends are a shared responsibility. Everybody has a role to play in this drama.

This is the first in a series.

The problem with Trump
A series of Times editorials

Our Dishonest President
Coming Monday
Coming Tuesday
Coming Wednesday


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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 6:43:58 PM   
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To paraphrase mark twain:
"Never phoque with a man with a pen"

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 6:54:25 PM   
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You know you are directly over the target when the flak is heaviest

"Bombs away motherfucker"



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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 7:17:49 PM   
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Given the endless flak from you, interesting observation.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 7:41:10 PM   
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quote:

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You know you are directly over the target when the flak is heaviest

"Bombs away motherfucker"



This is what you actually want.

That explains a lot of things.

For example, your predilection for fobbing off to governments or corporations such as you consider to be 'glory' which a weenie such as yourself has no hope of attaining, even however vicariously.

Quit pulling your knickers down for the audience and spare the rest of us, please.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 8:03:13 PM   
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Geology and volcanoes thereby is what created the 50'th state of the US, not any war, not any bombs of whatever sort.

Much of what we call 'America' was created a few million years ago, by way of the flat caldera there occurring.

You are just a boy who happened to break into the paint and gasoline locker and has no idea what he is dealing with.





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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 8:12:51 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMuRaiUcpmM

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 8:15:12 PM   
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quote:

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In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all.

Firstly, almost every time someone is sentenced to jail for breaking the law it rips a family apart. Secondly, CO2 does not foul rivers or pollute the air. Thirdly, there have been no calamitous effects of climate change despite decades of alarmist predictions. And finally, by posting the entire article without permission you are in violation of the source's Terms of Service.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 9:15:35 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all.

Firstly, almost every time someone is sentenced to jail for breaking the law it rips a family apart. Secondly, CO2 does not foul rivers or pollute the air. Thirdly, there have been no calamitous effects of climate change despite decades of alarmist predictions. And finally, by posting the entire article without permission you are in violation of the source's Terms of Service.

K.




Technically, this is only Part 1, not the entire article, so only one-fifth of it.. there are an additional 4 parts to the entire article.. Just sayin'...

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 9:35:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all.

Firstly, almost every time someone is sentenced to jail for breaking the law it rips a family apart. Secondly, CO2 does not foul rivers or pollute the air. Thirdly, there have been no calamitous effects of climate change despite decades of alarmist predictions. And finally, by posting the entire article without permission you are in violation of the source's Terms of Service.

Technically, this is only Part 1, not the entire article, so only one-fifth of it.. there are an additional 4 parts to the entire article.. Just sayin'...

True. Off to a good start then.

K.


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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 11:02:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all.

Firstly, almost every time someone is sentenced to jail for breaking the law it rips a family apart. Secondly, CO2 does not foul rivers or pollute the air. Thirdly, there have been no calamitous effects of climate change despite decades of alarmist predictions. And finally, by posting the entire article without permission you are in violation of the source's Terms of Service.
K.


Firstly, laws, and therefore what is considered 'crime,' is 100% man-made, hence a proven method of locking away those which some minor sector of society wishes to be not troubled with, by their walking the streets at all, or even worse, showing up in the workplace. Secondly, where did the OP state that CO2 was the only source of pollution (or where did he refer to CO2 at all, actually), or that such emanation fouled the rivers? Run-off of chemo-agricultural nitrogen and pesticides and herbicidal poisons was more likely the reference there.

Just think, were it not for the EPA, every city in the country with a river could have this scenario alighting their day, every day:

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Cuyahoga_River_Fire

Damn EPA spoilsports.



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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 11:23:27 PM   
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Gosh, the left is sure putting a lot more effort into their bullshit. I didn't think it possible but there you are.
A shame that the suicide pacts haven't picked up steam though I still have hope.
After the midterms they will jumping off buildings like lemmings.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/2/2017 11:41:20 PM   
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Tell us, then; who put more effort into their bullshite than Trump and his followers?

Please, drop out of school now, and save tax payers the expense of a lost cause.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/3/2017 6:18:29 AM   
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where did the OP state that CO2 was the only source of pollution (or where did he refer to CO2 at all, actually), or that such emanation fouled the rivers? Run-off of chemo-agricultural nitrogen and pesticides and herbicidal poisons was more likely the reference there.

The order getting all the press rolls-back regulations on carbon emissions.

Trump order aims to reverse emission rules ~Herald-Dispatch
Trump signs order dismantling Obama-era climate policies ~Reuters

Do you have in mind some other order that I'm not aware of?

K.



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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/3/2017 7:53:07 AM   
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not quite right, K.

From Reuters; your link:

Trump's decree also reverses a ban on coal leasing on federal lands, undoes rules to curb methane emissions from oil and gas production and reduces the weight of climate change and carbon emissions in policy and infrastructure permitting decisions. Carbon dioxide and methane are two of the main greenhouse gases blamed by scientists for heating the earth.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/3/2017 9:15:19 AM   
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http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-why-trump-lies/#nt=oft13a-15gp1

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Our civilization is premised on the conviction that such a thing as truth exists, that it is knowable, that it is verifiable, that it exists independently of authority or popularity and that at some point — and preferably sooner rather than later — it will prevail.

Even American leaders who lie generally know the difference between their statements and the truth. Richard Nixon said “I am not a crook” but by that point must have seen that he was. Bill Clinton said “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” but knew that he did.

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The insult that Donald Trump brings to the equation is an apparent disregard for fact so profound as to suggest that he may not see much practical distinction between lies, if he believes they serve him, and the truth.

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He targets the darkness, anger and insecurity that hide in each of us and harnesses them for his own purposes. If one of his lies doesn’t work — well, then he lies about that.

If we harbor latent racism or if we fear terror attacks by Muslim extremists, then he elevates a rumor into a public debate: Was Barack Obama born in Kenya, and is he therefore not really president?

If his own ego is threatened — if broadcast footage and photos show a smaller-sized crowd at his inauguration than he wanted — then he targets the news media, falsely charging outlets with disseminating “fake news” and insisting, against all evidence, that he has proved his case (“We caught them in a beauty,” he said).

If his attempt to limit the number of Muslim visitors to the U.S. degenerates into an absolute fiasco and a display of his administration’s incompetence, then he falsely asserts that terrorist attacks are underreported. (One case in point offered by the White House was the 2015 attack in San Bernardino, which in fact received intensive worldwide news coverage. The Los Angeles Times won a Pulitzer Prize for its reporting on the subject).

If he detects that his audience may be wearying of his act, or if he worries about a probe into Russian meddling into the election that put him in office, he tweets in the middle of the night the astonishingly absurd claim that President Obama tapped his phones. And when evidence fails to support him he dispatches his aides to explain that by “phone tapping” he obviously didn’t mean phone tapping. Instead of backing down when confronted with reality, he insists that his rebutted assertions will be vindicated as true at some point in the future.

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But he is not merely amusing. He is dangerous. His choice of falsehoods and his method of spewing them — often in tweets, as if he spent his days and nights glued to his bedside radio and was periodically set off by some drivel uttered by a talk show host who repeated something he’d read on some fringe blog — are a clue to Trump’s thought processes and perhaps his lack of agency. He gives every indication that he is as much the gullible tool of liars as he is the liar in chief.

He has made himself the stooge, the mark, for every crazy blogger, political quack, racial theorist, foreign leader or nutcase peddling a story that he might repackage to his benefit as a tweet, an appointment, an executive order or a policy. He is a stranger to the concept of verification, the insistence on evidence and the standards of proof that apply in a courtroom or a medical lab — and that ought to prevail in the White House.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/3/2017 9:15:47 AM   
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Scathing series! So they went with the truth on the mad lying fuk of orange.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/3/2017 9:17:27 AM   
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Well, in California, they're largely preaching to the choir.

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/3/2017 9:24:17 AM   
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Scathing indeed. The LA Times didn't mince their words. The language they used was as piercing and extreme as political reporting gets in a quality newspaper. Can anyone recall a President or Prime Minister being dissed in similar terms by quality media since the crook Nixon was forced to resign? I certainly can't.

Of course there will be 'alternative facts' and an 'alternative account' of Dear Leader Thump's 'accomplishments' in the White House, one of which has been to turn fake news into a commodity produced on a more or less daily basis by Sean Spicer at the Presidential press briefings. But does anyone with a functioning brain believe that BS?

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RE: LA Times Editorial Board runs scathing series on Trump - 4/3/2017 9:36:30 AM   
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Probably not, but there's enough people with non-functioning brains to provide the sorry little shit with a devoted base...

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