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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 1:46:36 PM   
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And Wickeds ain't Lucy ?

Why the fuck is he so opinionated about US politics ? Give that a thought. I don't give a fuck who is running other countries, it is none of my business. They elected them and that is that. It is their business not mine.

But we got people from goddamn Albania to Zimbabwe who have an opinion on Trump. They need to shut the fuck up. We do not care what they think. We have a different way of life. If they do not accept that then they can stay away. We don't have much of a tourist industry anyway, and with the 50 % tax rate they pay to handle the diabetic couch potatoes they could not afford to come here anyway.

Bottom line is I am sick of this shit dominating the board. We know Trump is an asshole, we know that all politicians are assholes. We do not need to have breaking news when one of them farts. They are destroying this board with their incessant reporting on every little thing that Trump said. And, they are costing themselves credibility.

When a news outlet comes in too heavily for one side or the other they cost themselves credibility. People do the same thing. I said I would never ignore anyone but I'm a gonna tellya that those days might be over soon. All the time, every goddamn thing Trump, or other republicans said. I do not give a fuck. Trump, they should cut his fucking fingers off so he can't twit every little stupid thought that comes into his mind. But he is President and I accept that, just like I accepted Bush one and Bush two, who was even dumber than Trump. George W Bush had so many opportunities in business it is not funny, and he managed to fail in every one. Trump bought businesses that were already failing and tried to save them. When he saw the ship sinking there was the bankruptcy court, which he used many times. Now Romney, he bought business for the sole purpose of liquidating them, never gave a thought to trying to revive them. Plenty of people voted for that corporate scrap Man.

But what I am sick of is every goddamn thread becoming a Trump bashing party. Don't you all have representatives ? Mayors ? City council ? Those people affect your life alot more than any President. What about your senators and members of the house, in fact, what about your city council ? What about all these regulatory agencies which are not elected, but appointed, and I don't even mean the federal ones. Your zoning board, the ones who can force you to cut down your tree, or forbid it.

But no, all anyone wants to talk about it Trump Trump Trump. HE IS NOT AFFECTING YOUR LIFE, and that means even if you are a US Citizen. Did he abolish social security or some shit ? Fuck no.

He is not a dictator. If he gets out of hand with EOs the supreme court will put a stop to that. And since he has to get approval from congress for a new appointee, he won't be appointing Charlie Manson. (actually Manson never killed anyone, he got locked up for talking people into doing it)

But I do realize that now that Trump is President everything is his fault.

So carry on, and I will get more bitchy and testy over it all the while. Youse people cannot accept the fact that you lost to the republicans. I have no sympathy for you. When Obama started this boys can go to the girlsroom shit he lost alot. Enough to put Trump in the whitehouse. That was just too fucking much, and this is from a kinkster. But if I had a daughter she would be in martial arts school before kindergarten. Fuck all that getting raped, kidnapped or whatever, kick that motherfucker where it really hurts.

We all know the wrong people are in power in this country. We do not need a reminder every day. And those who wanted Clinton for President can go fuck themselves. These republican voters did not come out in droves against Obama, but they did against Clinton.

But I digress. Should the news networks be punished for wrong info ? We're going into different territory here. What if they say it is not going to rain and then it does and wreck a bunch of your stuff ? Should you be able to sue them ? And if you did, would a valid defense be that they got bad info ? That's probably why Fox won the case and now they can lie whenever they want.

A beef tenderloin is about a hundred bucks now. If they say it is not going to rain and you decide to have a cookout, but then it rains and wrecks your meat, should you be able to sue them for that ?

Tort law is so goddamn ridiculous in this country, to the point of being pathetic. The law consists of a bunch of knee jerk reactions. You can lose your home for yelling at your olady. They'll put you in jail for all sorts of stupid shit. The kid comes and tells me he was in jail for "felony failure to comply". There is no such law here. The cop got suspended over it. Why not fired ? I can tell you that - because nobody wants the job. They make great money, in some places over a hundred grand a year and with a benefit package that would make most people drool. But it really is a fucked up job. Cops have the most likelyhood of drug or alcohol abuse, and suicide. We knew cops, they killed themselves. Well some of them. Some quit, one I know became a carpenter, was much happier that way. He had some stories that I am not ready to share at this time.

Fake news ? Is anyone even paying attention anymore ?

T^T

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 1:47:43 PM   
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That is not free speech monkeyboy do you feel clever tonight american jackal?

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 1:55:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

And Wickeds ain't Lucy ?

Why the fuck is he so opinionated about US politics ? Give that a thought. I don't give a fuck who is running other countries, it is nbone of my business. They elected them and that is that. It is their business not mine.

But we got people from goddamn Albania to Zimbabwe who have an opinion on Trump. They need to shut the fuck up. We do not care what they think. We have a different way of life. If they do not accept that then they c an stay away. We don't have much of a tourist industry anyway, and with the 50 % tax rate they pay to handle the diabetic couch potatoes they could nbot afford to come here anyway.

Bottom line is I am sick of this shit dominating the board. We know Trump is an asshole, we know that all politicians are assholes. We do not need to have breaking news when one of them farts. They are destroying this board with their incessant reporting on every little thing that Trump said. And, they are costing themselves credibility.

When a news outlet comes in too heavily for one side or the other they cost themselves credibility. People do the same thing. I said I would never ignore anyone but I'm a gonna tellya that those days might b over soon. All the time, every goddamn thing Trump, or other republicans said. I do not give a fuck. Trump, they should cut his fucking fingers off so he can't twit every little stupid thought that comes into his mind. But he is President and I accept that, just like I accepted Bush one and Bush two, who was even dumber than Trump. George W Bush had so many opportunities in business it is not funny, and he managed to fail in every one. Trump bought businesses that were already failing and tried to save them.' When he saw the ship sinking there was the bankruptcy court, which he used many times. Now Romney, he bought business for the sole purpose of liquidating them, never gave a thought to trying to revive them. Plenty of people voted for that corporate scrap Man.

But what I am sick of is every goddamn thread becoming a Trump bashing party. Don't you all have representatives ? Mayors ? City council ? Those people affect your life alot more than any President. What about your senators and members of the house, in fact, what about your city council ? What about all these regulatory agencies which are not elected, but appointed, and I don't even mean the federal ones. Your zoning board, the ones who can force you to cut down your tree, or forbid it.

But no, al anyone wants to talk about it Trump Trump Trump. HE IS NOT AFFECTING YOUR LIFE, and thsat means even if you are a US Citizen. Did he abolish social security or some shit ? Fuck no.

He is not a dictator. If he gets out of hand with EOs the supreme court will put a top to that. And since he has to get approval from congress for a new appointee, he won't be appointing Charlie Manson. (actually Manson never killed anyone, he got locked up for talking people into doing it)

But I do realize that now that Trump is President everything is his fault.

So carry on, and I will get more bitchy and testy over it all the while. Youse people cannot accept the fact that you lost to the republicans. I have no sympathy for you. When Obama started this boys can go to the girlsroom shit he lost alot. Enough to put Trump in the whitehouse. That was just too fucking much, and this is from a kinkster. But if I had a daughter she would be in martial arts school before kindergarten. Fuck all that getting raped, kidnapped or whatever, kick that motherfucker where it really hurts.

We all know the wrong people are in power in this country. We do not need a reminder every day. And those who wanted Clinton for President can go fuck themselves. These republican voters did not come out in droves against Obama, but they did against Clinton.

But I digress. Should the news networks be punished for wrong info ? We're going into different territory here. What if they say it is not going to rain and then it does and wreck a bunch of your stuff ? Should you be able to sue them ? And if you did, would a valid defense be that they got bad info ? That's probably why Fox won the case and now they can lie whenever they want.

A beef tenderloin is about a hundred bucks now. If they say it is not going to rain and you decide to have a cookout, but then it rains and wrecks your meat, should you be able to sue them for that ?

Tort law is so goddamn ridiculous in this country, to the point of being pathetic. The law consists of a bunch of knee jerk reactions. You can lose your home for yelling at your olady. They'll put you in jail for all sorts of stupid shit. The kid comes and tells e he was in jail for "felony failure to comply". There is no such law here. The cop got suspended over it. Why not fired ? I can tell you that - because nobody wants the job. They make great money, in some places over a hundred grand a year and with a benefit package that would make most people drool. But it really is a fucked up job. Cops have the most likelyhood of drug or alcohol abuse, and suicide. We knew cops, they killed themselves. Well some of them. Some quit, one I know became a carpenter, was much happier that way. He had some stories that I am not ready to share at this time.

Fake news ? Is anyone even paying attention anymore ?

T^T


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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 2:02:26 PM   
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I do not like snowflakes. I have to do the snow shoveling here.

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 2:05:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

And Wickeds ain't Lucy ?

Why the fuck is he so opinionated about US politics ? Give that a thought. I don't give a fuck who is running other countries, it is none of my business. They elected them and that is that. It is their business not mine.

But we got people from goddamn Albania to Zimbabwe who have an opinion on Trump. They need to shut the fuck up. We do not care what they think. We have a different way of life. If they do not accept that then they can stay away. We don't have much of a tourist industry anyway, and with the 50 % tax rate they pay to handle the diabetic couch potatoes they could not afford to come here anyway.

Bottom line is I am sick of this shit dominating the board. We know Trump is an asshole, we know that all politicians are assholes. We do not need to have breaking news when one of them farts. They are destroying this board with their incessant reporting on every little thing that Trump said. And, they are costing themselves credibility.

When a news outlet comes in too heavily for one side or the other they cost themselves credibility. People do the same thing. I said I would never ignore anyone but I'm a gonna tellya that those days might be over soon. All the time, every goddamn thing Trump, or other republicans said. I do not give a fuck. Trump, they should cut his fucking fingers off so he can't twit every little stupid thought that comes into his mind. But he is President and I accept that, just like I accepted Bush one and Bush two, who was even dumber than Trump. George W Bush had so many opportunities in business it is not funny, and he managed to fail in every one. Trump bought businesses that were already failing and tried to save them. When he saw the ship sinking there was the bankruptcy court, which he used many times. Now Romney, he bought business for the sole purpose of liquidating them, never gave a thought to trying to revive them. Plenty of people voted for that corporate scrap Man.

But what I am sick of is every goddamn thread becoming a Trump bashing party. Don't you all have representatives ? Mayors ? City council ? Those people affect your life alot more than any President. What about your senators and members of the house, in fact, what about your city council ? What about all these regulatory agencies which are not elected, but appointed, and I don't even mean the federal ones. Your zoning board, the ones who can force you to cut down your tree, or forbid it.

But no, all anyone wants to talk about it Trump Trump Trump. HE IS NOT AFFECTING YOUR LIFE, and that means even if you are a US Citizen. Did he abolish social security or some shit ? Fuck no.

He is not a dictator. If he gets out of hand with EOs the supreme court will put a stop to that. And since he has to get approval from congress for a new appointee, he won't be appointing Charlie Manson. (actually Manson never killed anyone, he got locked up for talking people into doing it)

But I do realize that now that Trump is President everything is his fault.

So carry on, and I will get more bitchy and testy over it all the while. Youse people cannot accept the fact that you lost to the republicans. I have no sympathy for you. When Obama started this boys can go to the girlsroom shit he lost alot. Enough to put Trump in the whitehouse. That was just too fucking much, and this is from a kinkster. But if I had a daughter she would be in martial arts school before kindergarten. Fuck all that getting raped, kidnapped or whatever, kick that motherfucker where it really hurts.

We all know the wrong people are in power in this country. We do not need a reminder every day. And those who wanted Clinton for President can go fuck themselves. These republican voters did not come out in droves against Obama, but they did against Clinton.

But I digress. Should the news networks be punished for wrong info ? We're going into different territory here. What if they say it is not going to rain and then it does and wreck a bunch of your stuff ? Should you be able to sue them ? And if you did, would a valid defense be that they got bad info ? That's probably why Fox won the case and now they can lie whenever they want.

A beef tenderloin is about a hundred bucks now. If they say it is not going to rain and you decide to have a cookout, but then it rains and wrecks your meat, should you be able to sue them for that ?

Tort law is so goddamn ridiculous in this country, to the point of being pathetic. The law consists of a bunch of knee jerk reactions. You can lose your home for yelling at your olady. They'll put you in jail for all sorts of stupid shit. The kid comes and tells me he was in jail for "felony failure to comply". There is no such law here. The cop got suspended over it. Why not fired ? I can tell you that - because nobody wants the job. They make great money, in some places over a hundred grand a year and with a benefit package that would make most people drool. But it really is a fucked up job. Cops have the most likelyhood of drug or alcohol abuse, and suicide. We knew cops, they killed themselves. Well some of them. Some quit, one I know became a carpenter, was much happier that way. He had some stories that I am not ready to share at this time.

Fake news ? Is anyone even paying attention anymore ?

T^T


Let it out. Let it all out, and then breathe.

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 2:06:18 PM   
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Termyn8or have you been declared an idiot of late...king of the idiots? Facts, not abstract distractions, i tend to led let slide not so much you watery shittery splattering all over the place…3 wheelie bins worth, remnant, fake news so sad

But I am curious do you believe I give a flying fuk about you pathetic howling or the stupid cunt you call president?

Now the man who would be king 10/10

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 2:08:45 PM   
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GFY Wickeds. You are an ultrasickening liberal piece of shit. DO NOT COME HERE. You are likely to get shot, and we know you cannot shoot back.

I hope Russia or China invades and takes over your country. I hope they rape your whole family. Know why ?

Because you are another one of those annoying foreigners who think they know what's best for us. Let me clue you in BOY, WE DO NOT WANT YOUR WAY OF LIFE, WE DO NOT SHARE YOUR VALUES AND BELIEFS. This is the US and we do things a bit differently here. Keep insulting us and we will stop defending your country BOY. Then you can learn to speak Russian or Chinese. And those people will kill that family of inbred welfare recipients you support.

And no whining. If you can put down my government I can put down yours. You are a bunch of serfs, and worse off. They take half your money just to keep you alive. And of course that is to be able to keep taking half your money, and you don't see it. Do you see the leeches in your government struggling to pay the rent ? To feed their kids ? To buy a nice car ? Fuck no. And you ignorant assholes support them, those who have never worked a day in their lives.

We elected Trump, you got nothing to say about it. I don't care who your PM is. I don't care who runs China. I am a bit partial to Putin in Russia but he is significant, unlike your puny fucking army. Russia won WW2, not the US. Not you either. None of you had what it took to stand up to the Nazis and without the US AND Russia you might be speaking Russian now.

Piece of shit. How dare you ? Ungrateful piece of garbage. Bring your gun over and let's talk, oh, you are aa baby and cannot have a gun, remember ?

We do things differently here boy. If you don't like it I suggest you stay home. Same with these Australians who think they know what is best for us. Turn in your guns and vote for Hillary. FUCK YOU. Don't you understand that we do not want that ?

We are different. The people who founded this country were sick of your shit, and now we have spoken. You don't like it ? Stay the fuck home.

T^T


Wow.

Oo oo, I think I've just found the world's smallest violin and it's playing a tune just for you.

We never should have pushed you that far.

Is an apology enough?

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 7:40:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Termyn8or have you been declared an idiot of late...king of the idiots? Facts, not abstract distractions, i tend to led let slide not so much you watery shittery splattering all over the place…3 wheelie bins worth, remnant, fake news so sad

But I am curious do you believe I give a flying fuk about you pathetic howling or the stupid cunt you call president?

Now the man who would be king 10/10



Who the fuck are you to talk with your posting history ?

T^T

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 8:03:59 PM   
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longway, we rejected your way of life. Some of you seem to have a problem with that. Actually Australians are worse. Everyone thinks they know what is best for us. But they cannot defend themselves, who defends them ? The fucking united States.

Not that YOU have, but when these people start putting down their best benefactor I don't happen to like it and will respond accordingly. Get your own army motherfucker and start paying for it. We got a half a fucking trillion dollar military budget and they don't even defend this country. They defend yours.

So excuse me if /I? am not happy when people put us down, when we help them more than anyone else. One of these days it will come to an end though. We are out of money. We are doing almost all of this on credit, and that is going to run out. Then you are all on your own.

Then you got room to talk and criticise, after you are no longer under our wing.

Wickeds comes out with this attitude of smug superiority. He can go fuck himself. Stupid name calling, like a goddamn five year old n shit.

I said what I said. One of these days though, the US is not going to protect the rest of the world. You better start thinking about building an army. And what it costs. You can afford to have national healthcare because we do the dirty work. Kiss that goodbye. You already pay like 50 % in tax. They rake you over the coals for petrol. But stupid little North Korea could destroy you in five minutes if they were not scared of the US.

Like I said, I don't mind criticism. But when it gets to the level of intelligence of a fucking five year old it annoys me. I know most politicians are assholes, and yes that includes Trump. But people are really getting out of hand with this. That motherfucker got 60 million votes. Why ? Because the USians spoke. We are tired of the liberal shit, which by the way has infected most of Europe. What you call a conservative we call a bleeding heart sickening liberal.

Once you understand that you can come clear and get a picture of what we are. We have guns because there are criminals, and we breed alot of them. None of us give a shit what is legal, we smoke pot, drive drunk at way over the speed limit, and last but not least our government is full of criminals.

This is how we are. If you don't like it then stay out. Enjoy your country. But don't put us down when we are your greatest benefactors.

If you cannot understand that I don't know what the fuck to say. Legit criticism is one thing, childish attempts at insults is another. Have I made myself clear on this ?

T^T

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 8:48:33 PM   
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Actually, NObody defends Australia, least of all the U.S....................It would be an impossible place to attack and occupy and just as bad to attempt to defend our coastline. In case of said hypothetical attack though, what do you really think the americans would do ?

As for telling americans what to do or how to live, most of the Australians I know couldn't give a fiddlers bitch HOW they go about it. It's YOUR country friend, you just go to hell in your own handbasket and we will do the same here

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/4/2017 9:23:31 PM   
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As for telling americans what to do or how to live, most of the Australians I know couldn't give a fiddlers bitch HOW they go about it.


I have run into a few Aussies on Usenet and Fet who seem to think they know what is best for us.

Like the gun thing. I want them to show up and we go to some inner city bars and see what they think now.

I will admit that it is looking like the rest of the western world is more civilised, but not here.

They speak of our gun deaths, what the fuck do they care about someone dying ten thousand miles away ? Even the worst ultrasickening bleeding heart liberal doesn't give a shit here. Thirty thousand a year here ? We simply do not give a fuck. That is less than one one hundredth of a percent. Call me when they kill a million a year, in fact don't even bother.

People look at TV and think we are so opulent. Like "Love It Or List It" with the half million dollar houses and their budget to fix it up is like a hundred grand. The fact is 95 % of us do not live like that. Alot of people rent and can't even afford a house.

Years ago the government started a program to get less affluent people their own houses, but the loan was a temporary introductory rate and the banks got all those houses, and now rent them out. But what people who never owned a house do not understand is that when the furnace quits, YOU have to come up with a grand or two to replace it. When the roof leaks, YOU have to come up with a bunch of more money.

But with this government program you get a $250,000 house for $565 a month, that is an introductory rate. In a couple years it is going up bigtime. And people were stupid enough to fall for it. When we prequalified for a loan we bought a house that was less than 50 % of what we could have had. In fact I wish I had that house back. We had parties there, dinner parties in the winter and cookouts in the summer. Making good money we paid for everything. We did not care about money because we never ran out.

Now I can't afford shit. The good job is gone.

But I have internet. There is alot of bullshit out there. Anyone can write anything. I have a program that creates webpages and I could tell you the sky is green. This is what the world has become.

There really should be some way to keep these news agencies honest but I have no idea how to implement it. I am a natural born troubleshooter and that is what made me a bunch of money over the years. But the way the world is now, I have no solution. Even trying is like beating my head up against a brick wall. I know a few things, among them that there are simply too many people.

And opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Can YOU report an event and not put a slant on it ? Can you keep your opinion out of it ? Think about that.

T^T

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 12:10:12 AM   
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longway, we rejected your way of life. Some of you seem to have a problem with that. Actually Australians are worse. Everyone thinks they know what is best for us. But they cannot defend themselves, who defends them ? The fucking united States.

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T^T


You didn't reject my way of life.

I'm very positive about the United States.

Problem is that on the Boards, everyone and everything gets criticised, including frequently my country. Many Americans regard the UK with pretty unmoderated hatred. Disney villains almost always have an English accent. We are often looked upon with a mixture of pity and resentment, especially here on the Boards.

Why be so touchy about people taking an interest in your country, even if you disagree with them? Nobody and no country is excluded. If you don't want to be open to criticism, your only choice is to stay away from an open forum that only requires membership.

I am not off crying in a corner because everyone is being unfair to us. We have a history, just like you, which has involved interfering in other countries, sometime with positive consequences but often with negative ones. You just have to suck it up if people are not overwhelmingly positive or supportive.

As for the role of the United States in the world. Supporting allies and getting involved as the world's policeman has had benefits for the US and downsides for millions of others. It is not all good or bad and it costs lots of money. You guys are actively debating that at the moment.

What it isn't is some kind of charity which everyone should be grateful for. It's much too complex for that.

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 1:41:32 AM   
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If you do not live in America and especially if you are a particular asshole who lives in Australia you might not understand the premium we place on freedom of the press and on freedom of speech as the roots of our democracy. We do not care to see the government punishing press or speech. The press can be held to accounts to some degree by our liable laws but if you are a notable person you must go to court and show some degree of malice. Our laws are not as stringent as those in the UK. Hey, that's the way we like it. That's why freedom of Press and freedom of Speech are in the very FIRST Amendment to our constitution and part of our Bill of Rights.


I remember when China wanted to censor Facebook. I cannot remember was it China who blocked Facebook from China citizens or was it Facebook who decided they didn't want to be censored so they won't make themselves available in China? Okay too lazy to google what the exact story is.

But what is gonna happen is. US does not have to participate. As long as Europe and Asia all issue 50Mil Fine to News Organizations to post Fake News. Europe with Asia wield alot of power too. That's quite a big part of the world involve in tackling Fake News.

We will get less Fake News for sure! Media outlets will be more careful.

Social Media giants will be forced to be more careful and do something about their platform being used for proliferation of Fake News.

I guess it's about making people responsible for what they post.

Take for example, if someone in the US did a viral fake news on more Police brutally killing black kids. What do you think will happen? It will incite more Black Lives Matters Protest. Also depending on the tone of the Fake News. It can incites some serious retaliation, depending on what they write.

I guess in Singapore, we were all taught the story of what caused the racial riots of the 1960's where everything went out of hand and many died.

All that happened was a Catholic Caucasian Couple adopted a Muslim Girl. And made her kneel infront of a Jesus Statue and pray. All it took was a picture of that being published in the Newspaper.

Everything went crazy! Muslims were outrage! And they started going after all the Christians and hurting them in retaliation for "forcing this Muslim girl to pray to Jesus".

I mean, it's the same reason why there was that shooting in that Denmark publisher who published the offensive Muhammad Cartoon right? I really applaud them for that offensive picture, but well, they have risk their lives and their colleague's life. Because they know they are dealing with cold blooded killers. And taunting them.

I am always troubled with how "Free Speech" could equal my physical safety taken away from me. I could be an innocent Chinese bystander, but all it could take is a Chinese to seriously offend another race and start a race war. I could be killed simply because I am Chinese at the wrong time and wrong place in the middle of it. I understand the trade off. Many times the purpose of Fake News is to incite outrage and to profit from traffic. So they will post deliberate things to rile people up and pit them against each other.



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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 1:57:48 AM   
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How should fake News be Punished?

take away his phone or shut down twitter.


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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 2:51:24 AM   
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I did a free speech thread ages ago...anyhoos

Is lying like fuk free speech? and where does "alternative fact" come into that equation.

Our free speech in the Bill of Rights prohibits the government from prosecuting what we say unless it is said under oath to a Federal Agent. So, if the government wishes to lie like fuk, yes it can. There is no guarantee against it except the ballot box. ...


Both points are vital.

In Germany Redefreiheit is also deeply rooted in constitution.
BUT:
It does not give anyone the freedom to violate the rights of others.
To the displeasure of some, lies violating other's rights are not covered by "freedom of speech" or "freedom of press".

As eulero has pointed out it can end in jail, Italy is even a bit stricter about this than other countries.

In the cases discussed in Germany the said websites got court orders to remove those lies from their boards. They removed original posts, but demanded the victims (!) to search their pages for any links, shares, re-posts regularly and inform them about their finds for removal (within a week's time). And repeat the search regularly for shares etc done withing that intermediate period. ...

They got new court orders to search their pages themselves and delete immediately but refused so far - this is where and when the new law should come in.
So the procedures in question are not exactly about a fundamental discussion about freedom of speech but about the usual sites 'procedures how to handle posts found violating the rights of others by court order.

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 3:17:47 AM   
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Why the fuck is he so opinionated about US politics ? Give that a thought. I don't give a fuck who is running other countries, it is none of my business. They elected them and that is that. It is their business not mine.


Firstly, Trump's rule is the business of everyone the world over, because his presidency could affect people worldwide. He's the president of the USA, not the PM of some tiny country. Secondly, it concerns me what happens to Americans as a result of his (mis)rule ... just like it concerns me what happens to the people whose lives are controlled by Putin, Netanyahu, Assad, or ISIS. I see no reason why I shouldn't care just because these are people of nations other than my own. They're people, and that is that.

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 3:46:59 AM   
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I mean, it's the same reason why there was that shooting in that Denmark publisher who published the offensive Muhammad Cartoon right?
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No please, not another shooting. Did not happen. There were several assassination attempts all prevented by police - No shootings, some prevented knife attacks.

I guess you mixed up Kurt Westergaard, one of the cartoonists, with Lars Hedegaard, a historian and IS critic - he was shot at by an IS member.

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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 5:37:51 AM   
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You shouldn't.

Punishing 'Fake News' is easily manipulated into 'Oppression' and 'Censorship' which results in that news gaining a degree of credibility.

Instead - there should be a federally funded independent bi-partisan organization who's sole duty is to observe and fact check major news organizations and outlets which then assigns a standardized 'credibility rating' which is updated every few days/week. Then - if you wish to be a news outlet - it would become mandatory that you present this Rating on all news media you produce. This function would inform consumers of news, allowing them to form their own conclusions... do you continue to watch a News Outlet that has a Credibility Rating that is below 50? Would you be inclined watch one that had differing opinions but had a credibility above 80?

This credibility rating would directly influence viewership, and thus the companies themselves would have to uphold themselves to a higher standard, or else suffer great losses in potential income as people whom feel that their broadcast becomes less and less trust worthy change to a different channel...



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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 5:47:25 AM   
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sounds far too much like an implausible "ministry of truth" to me.

among other things, education is supposed to provide us with the tools of thinking, and therefore an ability in making decisions and discernments for ourselves when it comes to such matters.

the marketplace dialog about the quality of sources is a good, but even then, just by looking around here you can see how fraught with foibles that is.


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RE: How should fake News be Punished? - 4/5/2017 6:58:43 AM   
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I mean, it's the same reason why there was that shooting in that Denmark publisher who published the offensive Muhammad Cartoon right?
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No please, not another shooting. Did not happen. There were several assassination attempts all prevented by police - No shootings, some prevented knife attacks.

I guess you mixed up Kurt Westergaard, one of the cartoonists, with Lars Hedegaard, a historian and IS critic - he was shot at by an IS member.

You are right I got it mix it. But Kurt definitely nearly got killed in his own home by Muslims who wanna kill him for that too.

The one I got mix up with is staff of Charlie Hebdo of France. Who got shot for publishing Cartoons of Muhammad what was from a Danish paper. Which is what made me remember incorrectly that Charlie Hebdo is from Denmark. And also got it all mix up that, the Kurt dude is from Charlie Hebdo.

But either way, both got Muslim trouble in response for publishing Muhammad Cartoons. And Charlie Hebdo situation was quite tragic with 17 deaths isn't it?



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