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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 7:33:50 PM   
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I'm glad you translated that because with an 11,000 pound bomb there was no way to know if the caves were clear of civilians. It is just another example of poor thinking by this administration. If he is going to use a sophisticated "Barrel Bomb" perhaps she should not threaten others doing the same.

I've nothing against Trump drawing a red line over barrel bombs... but it is idiotic to say that then drop one yourself.

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I understand it was a 21,000 pound bomb.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 7:45:14 PM   
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22,600lbs weapon with 18,700lbs of H-6 explosive filler ... thank you

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 8:04:16 PM   
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If the point of the bombing was to deny the enemy the cover of the cave system then why not warn them to get their families to safety?


If there are women and children living among ISIS, the kindest thing to do if you can't rescue them is to put them out of their misery

Odds are good that they are captured slaves

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 8:09:07 PM   
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If the point of the bombing was to deny the enemy the cover of the cave system then why not warn them to get their families to safety?


If there are women and children living among ISIS, the kindest thing to do if you can't rescue them is to put them out of their misery

Odds are good that they are captured slaves

And they have to be shown that human shields are not actually going to shield them from extermination.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 8:22:43 PM   
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If the point of the bombing was to deny the enemy the cover of the cave system then why not warn them to get their families to safety?


If there are women and children living among ISIS, the kindest thing to do if you can't rescue them is to put them out of their misery

Odds are good that they are captured slaves

And they have to be shown that human shields are not actually going to shield them from extermination.


Too bad a few "liberals" didn't go over there ahead of time to save them

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 8:27:08 PM   
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Any large scale non pinpoint bombing risks civilians...as I said do you know if there were women and children in the caves?

Butch

Seriously...., if all the good guys were not gonna bomb sites with evil people, because they hold women and children hostages as shields.

Then THAT is precisely why, evil terrorist groups are still around! Because, we falter to eliminate them when they hold women and children infront of us.

On the other hand, millions in Africa are starving to death too and nobody is helping them survive.

This is for the greater good! When it is war. Civilian Casualties are inevitable.

Too bad we don't have real life super agents like in the Movies who can just send one man in and just go right in, eliminate all the bad guys, save the women and children. Too bad we don't have people that capable.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 9:00:30 PM   
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Any large scale non pinpoint bombing risks civilians...as I said do you know if there were women and children in the caves?

Butch

Seriously...., if all the good guys were not gonna bomb sites with evil people, because they hold women and children hostages as shields.

Then THAT is precisely why, evil terrorist groups are still around! Because, we falter to eliminate them when they hold women and children infront of us.

On the other hand, millions in Africa are starving to death too and nobody is helping them survive.

This is for the greater good! When it is war. Civilian Casualties are inevitable.

Too bad we don't have real life super agents like in the Movies who can just send one man in and just go right in, eliminate all the bad guys, save the women and children. Too bad we don't have people that capable.

To bad there aren't people that capable.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 9:07:27 PM   
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If the point of the bombing was to deny the enemy the cover of the cave system then why not warn them to get their families to safety?

So they could move their troops to a save haven.

Bama, the liberals faint at the suggestion of water boarding...which all of our special forces operative actually experience as part of training...so how do you think they'd react to killing civilians? It is enough to take the tunnels and material that they plan to use for the Spring Offensive so the snowflakes won't have a melt down.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/13/2017 11:54:32 PM   
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If the point of the bombing was to deny the enemy the cover of the cave system then why not warn them to get their families to safety?


If there are women and children living among ISIS, the kindest thing to do if you can't rescue them is to put them out of their misery

Odds are good that they are captured slaves

And they have to be shown that human shields are not actually going to shield them from extermination.


Too bad a few "liberals" didn't go over there ahead of time to save them





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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 1:11:19 AM   
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Taliban better not fuck with US

US Troops Protecting and Harvesting Opium/Heroin in Afghanistan

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 1:36:07 AM   
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Fifteen and a half years too late, if you ask me (and you didn't). The time to drop this bastard would have been DEC of '01 when that goat-fucker, Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora.



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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 1:37:30 AM   
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as usual with you people its always about pointing a finger at the wrong place so no one looks at your filthy asses.

The middle east is not the problem you are






THE OPIUM TRADE



Introduction

The Opium Wars of 1839 to 1842 and 1856 to 1860 marked a new stage in China’s relations with the West. China’s military defeats in these wars forced its rulers to sign treaties opening many ports to foreign trade. The restrictions imposed under the Canton system were abolished. Opium, despite imperial prohibitions, now became a regular item of trade. As opium flooded into China, its price dropped, local consumption increased rapidly, and the drug penetrated all levels of society. In the new treaty ports, foreign traders collaborated with a greater variety of Chinese merchants than under the Canton system, and they ventured deeply into the Chinese interior. Missionaries brought Christian teachings to villagers, protected by the diplomatic rights obtained under the treaties. Popular hostility to the new foreigners began to rise.

Not surprisingly, Chinese historians have regarded the two Opium Wars as unjust impositions of foreign power on the weakened Qing empire. In the 20th century, the Republic of China made strenuous efforts to abolish what it called “unequal treaties.” It succeeded in removing most of them in World War II, but this phase of foreign imperialism only ended completely with the reversion of Hong Kong to China in 1997. Conventional textbooks even date the beginning of modern Chinese history from the end of the first Opium War in 1842.

Although the wars, opium trade, and treaties did reflect superior Western military force, focusing only on Western impositions on China gives us too narrow a picture of this period. This was not only a time of Western and Chinese conflict over trade, but a time of great global transformation in which China played one important role. The traders in opium included Britain, the U.S., Turkey, India, and Southeast Asia as well as domestic Chinese merchants. The origins of opium consumption in China are very old, and its first real boom as an item of consumption began after tobacco was introduced from the New World in the 16th century and Chinese smokers took a fancy to mixing it with the drug.

The Qing court was not in principle hostile to useful trade. In 1689 and 1727, the court had negotiated treaties with Russia to exchange furs from Siberia for tea, and allowed the Russians to live in a foreigners’ guest house in Beijing. Qing merchants and officials also traded extensively with Central Eurasian merchants from Bukhara and the Kazakh nomads for vital supplies of wool, horses, and meat. The court knew well the value of the southern coastal trade as well, since revenues from the Canton trade went directly into the Imperial Household department.

The Opium Wars are rightly named: it was not trade per se but rather unrestricted drug trade by the Western powers, particularly Britain, that precipitated them. As the wars unfolded, however, it became clear that far more than opium was ultimately involved. The very nature of China’s hitherto aloof relationship with the world was profoundly challenged, and long decades of internal upheaval lay ahead.

https://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/opium_wars_01/ow1_essay01.html

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 2:07:48 AM   
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Fifteen and a half years too late, if you ask me (and you didn't). The time to drop this bastard would have been DEC of '01 when that goat-fucker, Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora.



Michael


Blowback: Bin Laden, the CIA and US war against Afghanistan

Compiled by Richard Sanders,
Coordinator, Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade



From: Richard Sanders 09/12/01 20:42
Subject: Blowback: Bin Laden's CIA roots and the US war against Afghanistan


Blowback: Bin Laden, the CIA and US war against Afghanistan

Blowback is the term that the CIA uses to describe a situation when a some operative, a terrorist, or some situation that they've created gets out of their control and comes back to haunt them. It's a situation where the scientist (Frankenstein) creates a monster that "blows back" on its creator.

Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, Timothy McVeigh and Osama bin Laden are all pretty good examples of blowback. They were all nurtured for many years by the CIA, the US military or military intelligence. They all eventually "blew back." https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/RSblowback.html


anyone who has ever been to the that area knows that OBL was a celebrity and everyone knew where he was all the time, no different than our wonderful politicians, everyone knows, the US only needed to ask anyone on the street, it was all common knowledge, well except for the US they couldnt find him.


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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 3:30:14 AM   
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A US military strike with a weapon known as the "mother of all bombs" (MOAB) killed 36 IS militants and destroyed their base, the Afghan defence ministry says.

The most powerful non-nuclear bomb ever used by the US in combat was dropped on IS tunnels in Nangarhar province.
No civilians were affected by the explosion, the ministry said.

Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the attack as "an inhuman and most brutal misuse of our country".

Any actual footage anyone?


Real0ne US Troops Protecting and Harvesting Opium/Heroin in Afghanistan of course they do - well they dont actually protect them they just dont destrpy they turn a blind eye etc atll sides do. Not sure about that clip you posted though.- Afghanistan opium: Record yield from poppy fields http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24928454 BBC have did a few stories over the years

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 4:56:51 AM   
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Fifteen and a half years too late, if you ask me (and you didn't). The time to drop this bastard would have been DEC of '01 when that goat-fucker, Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora.



Michael


Yes, but that is like saying we have used F-86s at Pearl, they didn't exist yet.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 5:45:09 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ8j4QlYcYk

300 million dollar bomb.
11 ton blast, so large you can actually see the high pressure shock wave travel out.
The thing has a minimum safe distance of over a mile.

US Military is saying they killed some 36 hostiles.
but it is hard to say honestly because with a blast like that, it doesn't exactly leave neat bodies for counting.

Not to mention the untold psychological effects on others...

When we used Daisy Cutters in the gulf conflicts, we actually gave a couple of British soldiers PTSD accidentally because they genuinely thought we where dropping nukes...

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 6:03:38 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ8j4QlYcYk

300 million dollar bomb.
11 ton blast, so large you can actually see the high pressure shock wave travel out.
The thing has a minimum safe distance of over a mile.

US Military is saying they killed some 36 hostiles.
but it is hard to say honestly because with a blast like that, it doesn't exactly leave neat bodies for counting.

Not to mention the untold psychological effects on others...

When we used Daisy Cutters in the gulf conflicts, we actually gave a couple of British soldiers PTSD accidentally because they genuinely thought we where dropping nukes...


The tunnel complex was the strategic prize. We didn't lose any men closing it down, and it has been closed down.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 6:29:09 AM   
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The moment MOAB bomb struck IS cave and tunnel systems Fek thats a big bomb- video of it on that page

GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast just reading up on that one myself.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 6:32:08 AM   
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Fifteen and a half years too late, if you ask me (and you didn't). The time to drop this bastard would have been DEC of '01 when that goat-fucker, Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora.



Michael


Yes, but that is like saying we have used F-86s at Pearl, they didn't exist yet.


The bomb was designed in 2002 and produced and in service in 2003.

So, yep. Didn't exit in 2001 but definitely did shortly thereafter.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 6:45:35 AM   
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The tunnel complex was the strategic prize. We didn't lose any men closing it down, and it has been closed down.


How do we know this?
Who has been there to verify?
Oh yes you saw it on the evening "fake news" so it must be true.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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