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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 9:11:16 PM   
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IF the MOAB was produced and ready for use prior to 2003, was it constraint, diplomacy or fear of reprisal that kept the (then current and following) POTUS from using it in response to 911 and later during the following "War On Terrorism" years. Until now.



The MOAB was not tested until March of 2003.


This was the information I had as well. InfoMan's clarification on how the MOAB works, explains a great deal of why it wouldn't have been used until information was obtained on cave and tunnel sites that would yield best results with fewest casualties.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 9:50:19 PM   
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IF the MOAB was produced and ready for use prior to 2003, was it constraint, diplomacy or fear of reprisal that kept the (then current and following) POTUS from using it in response to 911 and later during the following "War On Terrorism" years. Until now.



The MOAB was not tested until March of 2003.


This was the information I had as well. InfoMan's clarification on how the MOAB works, explains a great deal of why it wouldn't have been used until information was obtained on cave and tunnel sites that would yield best results with fewest casualties.

So they selected a weapon which would maximize the damage to the tunnels, and hold down the casualties among the innocent yet here we hear people saying that, at best,
we are no better than ISIS.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/14/2017 11:42:50 PM   
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Im curious..... would this bomb blow out and expose the other end of the tunnels making it easier to find & bomb the other entry points?

A Vietnam vet told Me how they would do that with smoke bombs and grenades to tunnels and kill the VC scrambling to get out of the other end(s).



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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 1:16:55 AM   
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Meet the Russians' 'FOAB' - the 'father of all bombs' - four times bigger than the MOAB:

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/heres-the-father-of-all-bombs-russias-answer-to-the-moab/ar-BBzOuQm



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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 5:59:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

IF the MOAB was produced and ready for use prior to 2003, was it constraint, diplomacy or fear of reprisal that kept the (then current and following) POTUS from using it in response to 911 and later during the following "War On Terrorism" years. Until now.



The MOAB was not tested until March of 2003.


This was the information I had as well. InfoMan's clarification on how the MOAB works, explains a great deal of why it wouldn't have been used until information was obtained on cave and tunnel sites that would yield best results with fewest casualties.

So they selected a weapon which would maximize the damage to the tunnels, and hold down the casualties among the innocent yet here we hear people saying that, at best,
we are no better than ISIS.


Some people's knee-jerk reaction to practically everything is to scream bloody murder about a Republican, even if that Republican is directly targeting a fundamentalist Muslim group like ISIS

It's a form of derangement syndrome

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 6:11:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		where do we hear people saying because of this bomb we are no better than ISIS? Rather going to be burned by such a bale of straw with that sort of weapon, dont you think?

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 7:06:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		When the news reports that America dropped "the mother of all bombs," on Afghanistan; a knee jerk response is putting it mildly. Especially with the the situation in Syria and the chess pieces being moved around by America, China and from some reports I've read - Japan.

I've never been a fan of Trump. He has always repulsed me, but out of respect for the office, I wait and see and hope and cringe as things appear to be escalating. I hope it is posturing and the end result is better leverage in trade agreements. I cringe at the loss of life, and how awful it all is. There is no real way to win against religious zealotry. I wait to see if someone who appears impulsive and narcissistic is capable of maneuvering his chess pieces and make beneficial alliances without burning bridges with current alliances. I worry for my grown sons that are draft eligible.

At this point, the bi-partisan barbs are red hearings that detract from discussion regarding what lies behind them. Valid concerns, valid responses to the terrible truths of harm to humanity. Ours, those we fight, those who judge us.

I apologize, I'm not trying to be preachy. I see valid points on opposing sides, and I'm trying to wrap my head around so many disturbing situations.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 7:07:16 AM   
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Im curious..... would this bomb blow out and expose the other end of the tunnels making it easier to find & bomb the other entry points?

A Vietnam vet told Me how they would do that with smoke bombs and grenades to tunnels and kill the VC scrambling to get out of the other end(s).





Not really...

although the pressure differences would send the contents (and people) of the interior jetting around the insides of the tunnels with tornado force winds, this would usually dissipate before it reached any other exit. It would be more likely that connecting tunnel segements cave in, collapsing the network and reducing it's utility. (which is probably why we used it)

If it was a Fuel Air Explosive (FAE) Then yes... the fire caused by the bomb would either chase the oxygen through the tunnels, eventually spitting out of all the other exits, or it would vacuum the air out of the tunnels, sucking it into the conflagration - which would produce visual dust clouds at the other exits.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 7:13:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno, probably not, the vacuum created for that bombs need for oxygen would make them pretty deadly though, no good stuff left to breathe in there.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 7:20:47 AM   
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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 7:34:16 AM   
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Yeah, it essentially sucks the air out of your lungs and replaces it with fire. Miserable way to die.


So, how would you bleeding hearts kill Muslim fundamentalists like ISIS

Cuddle them to death?

Death by food stamps, like you do to other groups. Get them hooked on government handouts, then pull the rug out from under them when the whole system collapses?

Curious minds and all that.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 7:41:05 AM   
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Death by food stamps, like you do to other groups. Get them hooked on government handouts, then pull the rug out from under them when the whole system collapses?

The Republicans tried that with the Mujahadeen back when anybody who was fighting the Russians was automatically worth supporting. One of the people they'd been giving handouts to was so upset that the CIA had stopped funding him that he knocked over a couple of ugly buildings in New York twenty years later.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 7:46:49 AM   
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UK bombs and missiles dropped in Syria and Iraq From 1 January - 9 April 2017
129 Paveway IV bombs
37 Hellfire missiles
20 Brimstone missiles
30 Unspecified / other
Ministry of Defence

Let’s call it ~ 1,000 per year. Which is probably more than all of the coalition combined, save America, who dropped about 25,000 in 2016.

Exact numbers of casualties from the conflict with IS are not available. The RAF says it takes all steps to minimise civilian casualties...so who really knows but the coalition will kill 100s-1000s I would imagine

In 2016 alone, the US dropped 12,192 bombs in Syria and 12,095 in Iraq, according to the American think tank Council on Foreign Relations

MOAB apparently only 15 were manufactured. One used in service - so I have no idea how many of the 15 they have left as they would have test fired 2-6 I would imagine.

Tsar Bomba This is equivalent to about 1,570 times the combined energy of the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki,[14] 10 times the combined energy of all the conventional explosives used in World War II,[15] one quarter of the estimated yield of the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa, and 10% of the combined yield of all nuclear tests to date.

krakatoa The world's loudest sound. The sound made by the Krakatoa volcanic eruption in 1883 was so loud it ruptured eardrums of people 40 miles away, travelled around the world four times, and was clearly heard 3,000 miles away


America are at the forefront of developing kinetic weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun
In theory if you chuck somethin, relatively small, fast enough it can do terrible damage - like say an asteroid, lump of metal, not a feather: as that would blow itself to smithereens...anyway, I think some USA warships have rail guns?

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 8:05:04 AM   
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Meet the Russians' 'FOAB' - the 'father of all bombs' - four times bigger than the MOAB:

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/heres-the-father-of-all-bombs-russias-answer-to-the-moab/ar-BBzOuQm



"powerful as a small nuclear blast but without the same radioactive fallout"

Jesus.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 8:19:19 AM   
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* yawn *

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 8:22:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Boscox you have effectively said nothing - all you do is generally waste space, and frequently at that. quote quote quote etc with liberal left alt left scream unhinged snowflake hyterical - tagged onto the end of other peoples quotes...well felchguzzling is a new one for you i supppose

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 8:35:17 AM   
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And bingo! We're the topic. Again.

* yawn *


...and as always, you are such a massively mentally deficient moron that you cannot possibly see that your own desperate trollish personal attacks derailed the thread.

Love the clown circus. Always a great start to the day

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 8:58:47 AM   
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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 12:24:19 PM   
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Afghan officials said Saturday that 94 militants were killed in a massive U.S. bomb blast targeting Islamic State’s regional affiliate, nearly three times as many as was reported a day earlier. Ismail Shinwari, governor of Achin district in the eastern Afghan province of Nangarhar, where the 20,000-pound bomb struck Thursday evening, said there were no reports of civilian casualties. The dead included several leaders of the Islamic State affiliate, which is loosely connected to the main militant organization based in Iraq and Syria, Afghan officials said. ~LA Times

K.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/15/2017 12:45:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		If estimates of ISIS fighters being 80,000-100,000 (in Syria and Iraq) are correct, it's going to be a long and expense bombing campaign at that rate.

But even the estimated 7,500 in Afghanistan, that's 80 bombs (if we could replicate the same success rate). That's $170,000 a unit, or $1800 per Afghan ISIS fighter.


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