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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 11:58:40 AM   
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The Japanese navy ceased being one of the most powerful navies in the world at midway.

Considering that both Islands where property of Japan for decades before World War 2
and the bunkers where built before Midway...

Cite please.


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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 12:49:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures.

Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important?

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 1:32:16 PM   
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They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures.

Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important?

Butch

I've seen you post this same thing over and over, and that is okay. I appreciate your point of view.

But let me see if I can present this differently to you.

Let's say that the U.S. notified ISIS of their intention of dropping a bomb at the site in question, and they tell them that it will be dropped (arbitrarily) at 1:00 p.m. on April X. This is being done so that "innocents" can be removed from the area.

Of course, both you and I know that the "innocents" might be moved, but we can rest assured that the combatants will be gone. They MIGHT just leave the "innocents" there so they can spread propaganda about how U.S., the Great Satan, just killed all of these women and children.

Meanwhile, the combatants have moved to a new location where they still have the capability to wage war, and can kill plenty of "innocents" of their own, as well as kidnapping new slaves to replace those lost at the previous site.

Now, the U.S. finds where they are, and once again they notify them that on May XX they will be dropping another bomb, but that they want ISIS to move all of the "innocents" before it happens.

And history repeats itself. Over, and over, and over.

So, my question to you is, rather than to simply complain about what did happen, what would YOUR solution be to fix the problem? How do you suggest that ISIS be stopped without risking "innocents"?


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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 1:37:47 PM   
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So, my question to you is, rather than to simply complain about what did happen, what would YOUR solution be to fix the problem? How do you suggest that ISIS be stopped without risking "innocents"?

How about we butt out? Why is anything that goes on there any of our business?. I don't give a fiddler's phoque what those folks do to one another. That is their business.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 2:39:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is no problem as far as I see... We don't kill innocents. If we could not be reasonable sure there were no innocents in the blast zone... We just should not do it. Sure we could fight a war and win easily by ignoring civilians casualties but we would be no better than they.

There will always be mistakes and civilians killed in war... and in the past we purposely killed innocents... but I like to believe we have learned from the horrors of wars past.

But besides all the excuses for killing innocents the real target for that attack was to deny the enemy the protection of the cave system... THAT we could do without taking a chance on killing women and children. Trump chose the use an indiscriminate weapon without knowing if civilians would be killed. He was lucky...imagine if there had been innocents there... We could have lost the support of many in Afghanistan that in the end could cost more American lives.

Just more poor decision making by Trump.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 3:01:03 PM   
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They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures.

Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important?

Butch

Again you are misinformed, Trump did not make the call on the weapon the local commander did.
Who sent you a copy of the intel on this situation?

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 3:08:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It wasnt you intellagence welfare agent. I think Maj. Butch has a point. however, its what the bomb is designed for. And the commander had free reign to use it. But that buck stops with the POTUS CINC


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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 4:05:36 PM   
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It wasnt you intellagence welfare agent. I think Maj. Butch has a point. however, its what the bomb is designed for. And the commander had free reign to use it. But that buck stops with the POTUS CINC


Good to know, mental patient, that in your mind (which ever voicevthatnis) the buck stopped with Obama for things like the IRS, putting journalists in jail, Benghazi and a myriad of other things. I'll keep that in mind in the future when you actually take you tongue off the airport toilets and one of your voices tries to make a point.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 4:24:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's Trump's genius if giving local commanders agency over all available weapons works out 'Great'. (Reports are he didn't sign off on any MOAB use, but is now saying he had given permission beforehand.) I'm pretty sure local commanders will be crucified by our resident military genius if the outcome is embarrassing enough he has to react and 'walk back' any policy. Trump has shown precious little loyalty to past underlings who 'failed', either from their own initiative, or while exactly following his policies. Actually a whole TV series was devoted to his lack of support and loyalty: "The Apprentice" (You're Fired). If you make him money, however, legal or not, it's his genius. If you cost him anything, (Can be blamed) you're history, and fully responsible. All of which sort of . . . Exactly, falls under the rubric of, "Narcissist".

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 4:30:28 PM   
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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 7:01:47 PM   
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Again you are misinformed, Trump did not make the call on the weapon the local commander did.
Who sent you a copy of the intel on this situation?



The President kinda approves the level of force that is allowed in these situations...
so while he doesn't sign off on the specific bombs dropped, he does kinda decide the list which those commanders can choose from... which is why MOAB's where not dropped during Obama's administration. He felt Drone Missiles and Laser Guided bombs where enough.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 8:55:58 PM   
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Again you are misinformed, Trump did not make the call on the weapon the local commander did.
Who sent you a copy of the intel on this situation?


The President kinda approves the level of force that is allowed in these situations...
so while he doesn't sign off on the specific bombs dropped, he does kinda decide the list which those commanders can choose from... which is why MOAB's where not dropped during Obama's administration. He felt Drone Missiles and Laser Guided bombs where enough.

Yes, the president will tell them what they cannot use, not what they can use.

The leftist here want to believe that rump specifically told them to use this particular weapon.
He didn't do that.
They also want to pretend that wars can be fought like a game of checkers, and that we should fight wars without hurting anyone.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/16/2017 8:58:08 PM   
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They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures.

Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important?

Butch

I told my 26 year of son about your repeated hostage crack.
He said that I had better order the strike

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/17/2017 2:58:25 PM   
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The leftist here want to believe that rump specifically told them to use this particular weapon.
He didn't do that.


The Trump supporters want to believe it, too.


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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/17/2017 3:14:59 PM   
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The leftist here want to believe that rump specifically told them to use this particular weapon.
He didn't do that.


The Trump supporters want to believe it, too.


I'm not sure that's correct. For years Obama wouldn't use the word terrorist, fired generals that wanted to fight the terrorists, made red lines and let people walk over them, and telegraphed every thing he did to the terrorist. Bush even had problems with rules of engagements and an end plan. I think all Trump supporters want is to take the politics out of the conflict or to leave. One or the other.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/17/2017 3:58:59 PM   
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The leftist here want to believe that rump specifically told them to use this particular weapon.
He didn't do that.


The Trump supporters want to believe it, too.


I'm not sure that's correct. For years Obama wouldn't use the word terrorist, fired generals that wanted to fight the terrorists, made red lines and let people walk over them, and telegraphed every thing he did to the terrorist. Bush even had problems with rules of engagements and an end plan. I think all Trump supporters want is to take the politics out of the conflict or to leave. One or the other.


(Anyone that disagrees with Desi....ain't read enough books).

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/17/2017 4:00:28 PM   
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What journo went to jail??


(What's a "journo"?)

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/17/2017 4:02:22 PM   
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They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures.

Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important?

Butch

Again you are misinformed, Trump did not make the call on the weapon the local commander did.
Who sent you a copy of the intel on this situation?


(I was responsible for all the intel. It was me...the whole way).

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/17/2017 4:27:16 PM   
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The leftist here want to believe that rump specifically told them to use this particular weapon.
He didn't do that.


The Trump supporters want to believe it, too.


I must not be a Trump supporter.
I want him to tell them to give him a call when it is done or if they think they need nukes.
And by my earlier statement the left wants hum to have thought, this sounds like a cool weapon lets see
what it actually does.

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RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs - 4/17/2017 8:42:28 PM   
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They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures.

Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important?

Butch

I told my 26 year of son about your repeated hostage crack.
He said that I had better order the strike


Ask him if he would order the strike if you were a hostage? I find it hard to believe that you would be for cold blooded murder of a hostage to further a military objective. Can you not understand how absurd you sound... Imaging the love when you and your son look each other in the eye and tell each other that you would kill the other over a ISIS cave. Bull Crap

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