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BamaD -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/17/2017 9:14:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures. Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important? Butch I told my 26 year of son about your repeated hostage crack. He said that I had better order the strike Ask him if he would order the strike if you were a hostage? I find it hard to believe that you would be for cold blooded murder of a hostage to further a military objective. Can you not understand how absurd you sound... Imaging the love when you and your son look each other in the eye and tell each other that you would kill the other over a ISIS cave. Bull Crap Butch Just like it would be his duty to ignore personal feelings by not taking all prisoners out and shooting them after a massacre it would be his duty to ignore my being a hostage. You have no concept of duty. And you still haven't explained how you know they had no idea there were no innocents in the way, unless you are privy to the intel reports the commander had. You are so you are just making stuff up. Don't you understand that you policy would mean more hostages and more deaths?

BamaD -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/17/2017 9:17:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures. Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important? Butch I told my 26 year of son about your repeated hostage crack. He said that I had better order the strike Ask him if he would order the strike if you were a hostage? I find it hard to believe that you would be for cold blooded murder of a hostage to further a military objective. Can you not understand how absurd you sound... Imaging the love when you and your son look each other in the eye and tell each other that you would kill the other over a ISIS cave. Bull Crap Butch The people responsible for the "cold blooded murder" of the hostages are the people hiding behind them.

BamaD -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/18/2017 12:42:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub They had no idea if there were innocents are not... they just pushed the bomb out the back...just like Assad. The little bastard just wanted to look good and take the attention from his failures. Again... how about your kids as hostages...want to kill them still? You never answer direct questions. If i would not kill my own children as hostages I would not want to kill yours. Are the children of Muslims any less important? Butch I told my 26 year of son about your repeated hostage crack. He said that I had better order the strike Ask him if he would order the strike if you were a hostage? I find it hard to believe that you would be for cold blooded murder of a hostage to further a military objective. Can you not understand how absurd you sound... Imaging the love when you and your son look each other in the eye and tell each other that you would kill the other over a ISIS cave. Bull Crap Butch Problems with your position. A It means that military S&T should be based on emotion. B It is based on information you don't have access to (intel reports) C It means that military S&T should be based on emotion D If Obama had done it (or Hillary) you wouldn't have a problem with it. E It means that military S&T should be based on emotion F It absolves the real monsters of responsibility G It means that military S&T should be based on emotion H You are trying to make it personal I It means that military S&T should be based on emotion J You can't take your position without the intel report, which you don't have K It means that military S&T should be based on emotion

CaptR -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/18/2017 3:11:13 PM)
Mho is if you have your family in a militarized area (cave system used to move ordinance/ troops) then tough shit. Put them in harm's way intentionally and the onus is on you.

BamaD -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/18/2017 3:17:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CaptR Mho is if you have your family in a militarized area (cave system used to move ordinance/ troops) then tough shit. Put them in harm's way intentionally and the onus is on you. Yes, but he always opposes any force used against evil.

kdsub -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/18/2017 3:33:21 PM)
quote: Mho is if you have your family in a militarized area (cave system used to move ordinance/ troops) then tough shit. Put them in harm's way intentionally and the onus is on you. Not my kids... yours Hostages are always someones children and they are not always there by choice... I am just trying to call you bullshitters on killing innocents for the sake of a military objective when you don't have to. At least three here in this thread think it is ok to kill innocents... You don't mind doing it if it is someone else's children... You can claim you would kill your own if they were hostages all you want...but you and I know the truth. hmmmmm I wonder if Trump would say drop the bomb if his daughter was kidnapped and known to be in the caves? What do you think? Butch

BamaD -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/18/2017 10:18:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: Mho is if you have your family in a militarized area (cave system used to move ordinance/ troops) then tough shit. Put them in harm's way intentionally and the onus is on you. Not my kids... yours Hostages are always someones children and they are not always there by choice... I am just trying to call you bullshitters on killing innocents for the sake of a military objective when you don't have to. At least three here in this thread think it is ok to kill innocents... You don't mind doing it if it is someone else's children... You can claim you would kill your own if they were hostages all you want...but you and I know the truth. hmmmmm I wonder if Trump would say drop the bomb if his daughter was kidnapped and known to be in the caves? What do you think? Butch You don't know s--t. For a person who whines about people not answering questions you won't tell us how you know that the intel report didn't show there were no innocents, particularly when no innocents were killed. As for women being innocents they will kill you as quick as the men will. And as for children haven't you seen the videos of 8 year olds shooting people. Both are known to wear bomb vests. By your rule you give them a warning to get the "innocents" out and the Taliban announces that they are keeping them right were they are. I guess you would just call off the operation.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/18/2017 11:24:34 PM)
kd, normally I would opt for peace and/or a peaceful way out but if war is the only option given to you by an enemy who will not even talk with you, then give the military the chance to fight and win. Don't tie one of their hands behind their backs as happened in Nam. The quicker it's finished, the less families will greet their boys at the ramp with a flag draped over them.

BamaD -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/18/2017 11:36:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: Mho is if you have your family in a militarized area (cave system used to move ordinance/ troops) then tough shit. Put them in harm's way intentionally and the onus is on you. Not my kids... yours Hostages are always someones children and they are not always there by choice... I am just trying to call you bullshitters on killing innocents for the sake of a military objective when you don't have to. At least three here in this thread think it is ok to kill innocents... You don't mind doing it if it is someone else's children... You can claim you would kill your own if they were hostages all you want...but you and I know the truth. hmmmmm I wonder if Trump would say drop the bomb if his daughter was kidnapped and known to be in the caves? What do you think? Butch You don't know s--t. For a person who whines about people not answering questions you won't tell us how you know that the intel report didn't show there were no innocents, particularly when no innocents were killed. As for women being innocents they will kill you as quick as the men will. And as for children haven't you seen the videos of 8 year olds shooting people. Both are known to wear bomb vests. By your rule you give them a warning to get the "innocents" out and the Taliban announces that they are keeping them right were they are. I guess you would just call off the operation. I agree. People who say ok they are going to fight us so we have to do something but lets be nice while we are fighting them don't have a clue. I agree that what is best is to get along and have peace. If we have to fight , fight to win. Fight to win so completely that the next guy wants to get along with you. The movie Enders game, "the first blow was to win this fight, the rest were to avoid future ones" . Again I agree that the best is to get along.

thompsonx -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 3:29:33 AM)
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 kd, normally I would opt for peace and/or a peaceful way out but if war is the only option given to you by an enemy who will not even talk with you, then give the military the chance to fight and win. Don't tie one of their hands behind their backs as happened in Nam. The quicker it's finished, the less families will greet their boys at the ramp with a flag draped over them. please refresh our memory???why were we in viet nam?

thompsonx -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 3:32:20 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD I agree. People who say ok they are going to fight us so we have to do something but lets be nice while we are fighting them don't have a clue. I agree that what is best is to get along and have peace. If we have to fight , fight to win. Fight to win so completely that the next guy wants to get along with you. The movie Enders game, "the first blow was to win this fight, the rest were to avoid future ones" . Again I agree that the best is to get along. So if someone tells you "we can get along as long as you suck my cock you are ready to don your knee pads?

CaptR -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 5:23:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: Mho is if you have your family in a militarized area (cave system used to move ordinance/ troops) then tough shit. Put them in harm's way intentionally and the onus is on you. Not my kids... yours Hostages are always someones children and they are not always there by choice... I am just trying to call you bullshitters on killing innocents for the sake of a military objective when you don't have to. At least three here in this thread think it is ok to kill innocents... You don't mind doing it if it is someone else's children... You can claim you would kill your own if they were hostages all you want...but you and I know the truth. hmmmmm I wonder if Trump would say drop the bomb if his daughter was kidnapped and known to be in the caves? What do you think? Butch Are your kids in a cave in Afghanistan? What's your solution? Negotiate? Throw money at them like Obama? Allow the Taliban/ ISIS to take over and religiously oppress everyone in their path, not to mention their crimes against women? Hell, if you have seen the videos not even sheep are safe. I too love the "Coexist" bumper stickers but it's just not reality.

thompsonx -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 6:42:37 AM)
ORIGINAL: CaptR Are your kids in a cave in Afghanistan? Are your kids in a cave in afghanistan? If not why do you care? What's your solution? Why does amerika need to have a solution for something that is not in amerika? Negotiate? Throw money at them like Obama? Why do you think that articulate big eared lying phoque was somehow different than the previous 43 presidents? Allow the Taliban/ ISIS to take over and religiously oppress everyone in their path, not to mention their crimes against women? Hell, if you have seen the videos not even sheep are safe. I too love the "Coexist" bumper stickers but it's just not reality. Why do you care what goes on there? You do not live there? Why is it amerika's business what those folks do?

Nnanji -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 7:26:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 kd, normally I would opt for peace and/or a peaceful way out but if war is the only option given to you by an enemy who will not even talk with you, then give the military the chance to fight and win. Don't tie one of their hands behind their backs as happened in Nam. The quicker it's finished, the less families will greet their boys at the ramp with a flag draped over them. please refresh our memory???why were we in viet nam? To halt communist expansion. Which is interesting because in 1979 China went to war with Vietnam to halt "Soviet" exspansion. I guess, eventually the exspansion stopped all by itself. Although China building new islands could be construed as exspansion.

Musicmystery -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 7:28:20 AM)
And because we were too stupid and too arrogant to listen to and learn from the French and their experience there.

Nnanji -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 7:53:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And because we were too stupid and too arrogant to listen to and learn from the French and their experience there. Agree. God, this is the second time today. What is happening to us?

thompsonx -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 9:28:08 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 kd, normally I would opt for peace and/or a peaceful way out but if war is the only option given to you by an enemy who will not even talk with you, then give the military the chance to fight and win. Don't tie one of their hands behind their backs as happened in Nam. The quicker it's finished, the less families will greet their boys at the ramp with a flag draped over them. please refresh our memory???why were we in viet nam? To halt communist expansion. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Which is interesting because in 1979 China went to war with Vietnam to halt "Soviet" exspansion. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. I guess, eventually the exspansion stopped all by itself. China has been getting it's ass handed to them by the Vietnamese for 1500 years. This had nothing to do with soviet expansion and everything to do with china thinking she had an easy target. Although China building new islands could be construed as exspansion. Why is that any of our business?

kdsub -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 11:44:44 AM)
quote: What's your solution? Negotiate I would not drop the bomb unless I was sure there were no civilians in the cave system. Or I would give a few hours warning to allow civilians to exit the area. Yes a few of the enemy would keep their lives but the main objective would still be accomplished. I would have had some drones and a gunship or two standing by when I gave the warning to take out as many of the enemy as I safely could as they escaped the area. There would still be the chance that some civilians would not leave but at least we would be humane enough to give them the chance. Butch

BamaD -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 12:22:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: What's your solution? Negotiate I would not drop the bomb unless I was sure there were no civilians in the cave system. Or I would give a few hours warning to allow civilians to exit the area. Yes a few of the enemy would keep their lives but the main objective would still be accomplished. I would have had some drones and a gunship or two standing by when I gave the warning to take out as many of the enemy as I safely could as they escaped the area. There would still be the chance that some civilians would not leave but at least we would be humane enough to give them the chance. Butch This post shows how little you comprehend the enemy. The more compassionate you try to be the weaker they think you are. If they think you are weak they have (in their minds) no reason to quit. Your approach leads to either surrender on our part or a forever war. Funny how you seemed to understand this so much better before Jan 20. Again I have to ask how you got ahold of the intel reports, without them you can't possibly know that we just got lucky with there being no innocents killed. You still haven't told us what you do when they say we are keeping the hostages. You who demand that even your stupidest questions be addressed won't even answer the most basic questions.

kdsub -> RE: US military drops 'mother of all bombs (4/19/2017 1:25:42 PM)
What I do is not kill innocents... what is so hard for you to understand... Bama I spent a couple of tours in country and never had to purposely kill women and children... and I and my outfit had plenty of opportunities to do just that. I am proud of my service for that reason. Just because our enemy kills innocents is not a reason we should too. I am better than them...not so sure about you anymore. Butch

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