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Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate taxes... - 4/24/2017 2:50:07 PM   
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Trump instructed advisers last week that he wants the corporate tax rate to be lowered from 35 percent to 15 percent, a senior White House official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. This is the same rate that Trump pursued during his 2016 campaign, but officials had not signaled since the election whether he would stick to the pledge.

By doing so — but not committing to measures that would offset the revenue loss — Trump is making clear he is putting a priority on cutting taxes over the national debt. It also potentially creates a tension point with House Republicans, who have spent years advancing a vision for tax restructuring of their own.

The White House decision comes at a crucial time. White House officials plan to unveil the broad principles of their tax plan Wednesday, though details of what would be in the release remained fluid Monday, another White House official said.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-seeks-15-percent-corporate-tax-rate-even-if-it-swells-the-national-debt/2017/04/24/0c78a35c-2923-11e7-be51-b3fc6ff7faee_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumptax-130pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c44c67ef8e2e
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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 2:53:53 PM   
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Debt hasn't mattered for the last eight years. Why a sudden interest in the debt now?

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 2:55:55 PM   
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You dont seem to know the difference between 19 or 21 million, so I think you lie like trumps hair, badly

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 2:58:00 PM   
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Oh and you still havent mentioned your source of bs for the deficit being wiped out by the Scrotus either...


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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:00:25 PM   
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"Reagan proved deficits don't matter." ~Dick Cheney

Unfortunately . . . they do matter. And at least a few Republicans in Congress get that.

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:04:07 PM   
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Trump instructed advisers last week that he wants the corporate tax rate to be lowered from 35 percent to 15 percent, a senior White House official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. This is the same rate that Trump pursued during his 2016 campaign, but officials had not signaled since the election whether he would stick to the pledge.

By doing so — but not committing to measures that would offset the revenue loss — Trump is making clear he is putting a priority on cutting taxes over the national debt. It also potentially creates a tension point with House Republicans, who have spent years advancing a vision for tax restructuring of their own.

The White House decision comes at a crucial time. White House officials plan to unveil the broad principles of their tax plan Wednesday, though details of what would be in the release remained fluid Monday, another White House official said.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-seeks-15-percent-corporate-tax-rate-even-if-it-swells-the-national-debt/2017/04/24/0c78a35c-2923-11e7-be51-b3fc6ff7faee_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumptax-130pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c44c67ef8e2e


Same comments were made in 1983 when Reagan lowered rates by 29% (ratios...not factors).

"The world is ending!!!"

Always be aware...those that love the existing circumstances...will do everything they can to eviscerate change.

It's impossible to upset the apple cart (Congress won't allow it for one...).

In the end...rates will be lowered....deductions will be eliminated and...in 15 years...it'll all be the same shit all over again (when the Democrats get back in charge).

Currently...the GOP wants to lower capital gains taxes from 23.8% to 15% across the board.

It's already been shown that when Reagan and (uniquely, as to Democrats) Clinton did exactly the same.....IRS/Fed revenues doubled (as to capital asset sales) within 3 years. When Obama raised the rates to 23.8%...they fell by half.

(To be fair...Obama did that in a revenue "search"....when the economy was in free fall so...no one was selling).

However, history has shown time and time again...when you lower investment capital taxation....(federal taxable) revenue increases.

Will it happen again? Your guess is as good as mine but...I'd venture to say that...history has a decent shot at repeating itself (as it often does).

I just turned down a deal today from a guy who desperately wants to sell his property....but he doesn't want to pay 23.8%.

He said if I up my price (offer) to compensate for the 8.8% differential (between current short term holdings and long term...+ the 3.8%), he'd sell (divide the offering price at -0.08.8% {it's called a "CAP rate"} and you'll see the natural spread).

Most investors have been holding...waiting for a "natural" (historic) taxation spread (which resides near the 15% calculation)...and now...offered one...will hold out longer (i.e., until that "natural" taxation rate is offered)

What's the cost?

(Nothing. Waiting? No cost).

And...for those that want to debate what the "natural" taxation rate is? Well...it's the rate at which reasonable sellers and buyers want to transact deals.

When do you know you've hit (achieved) that?

It's fairly easy to know: When tax revenues rise.

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:05:21 PM   
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Reagan quadrupled the national debt in just 8 years.

And turned the world's largest creditor nation into the world's largest debtor nation in the same period.

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:11:33 PM   
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Reagan quadrupled the national debt in just 8 years.

And turned the world's largest creditor nation into the world's largest debtor nation in the same period.



Dude...you're preaching to the choir...we've had this discussion before...he was not my fav...and at 19...I voted for John Anderson (who wanted to raise taxes to pay off the then....horrifyingly large 900 BILLION dollar deficit).

I've told a quintillion people who all fall on their petard...saying...."Reagan was a saint...a GOD!!!"

No he wasn't...how much of a good life could YOU have if...you decided one Wednesday..."fuck deficits...fuck debt...let's buy everything on credit!!! YEAH BABY!!!"

The guy was selling soap...hopeful.

And in 8 years we went from 900 billion in debt to....3.8 Trillion.

(This from the same Prez who said he would "eliminate the deficit within 4 years").

And since then...NO President has had the balls to take away the punch bowl (see....Perot....twice...but...again...as I've stated before...{who voted these fucks in? ALL OF us...by default}...and here we are.

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:13:01 PM   
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Sorry MM
The fact that they have, tax reform, and healthcare, and stop the shutdown before saturday and trumps 100days.

I dont see one of the tree being done.
Maclvaby giving dems an ultimatum of one dollar for the wall per 1 dollar for healthcare, he is saying he hopes the dems wont "obstruct"
He needs his wall badly but Trump seems to think that threats will work.
I havent got the time today, to look for the info I read over the weekend, but I will be back later.


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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:13:40 PM   
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Debt hasn't mattered for the last eight years. Why a sudden interest in the debt now?


Boscoe...read a bit of history.

(Seriously dude...they have things called "books"...try one).

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:16:45 PM   
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Sorry MM
The fact that they have, tax reform, and healthcare, and stop the shutdown before saturday and trumps 100days.

I dont see one of the tree being done.
Maclvaby giving dems an ultimatum of one dollar for the wall per 1 dollar for healthcare, he is saying he hopes the dems wont "obstruct"
He needs his wall badly but Trump seems to think that threats will work.
I havent got the time today, to look for the info I read over the weekend, but I will be back later.



Lucy...where (and when) did the whole "100 days" thing emanate from?

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:17:39 PM   
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Reagan quadrupled the national debt in just 8 years.

And turned the world's largest creditor nation into the world's largest debtor nation in the same period.



You have that propaganda talking point memorized to a knee-jerk reaction yet you remained silent as Obama increased the debt far more than Reagan or anyone else

The best any of you can do when that is pointed out is to reduce yourselves to childish trolls and derail the thread

There is no true North in leftist la-la land. Nothing truly matters to them, in their cartoon fantasyland worlds - except regurgitating the same typical hollow, meaningless, empty partisan rhetoric talking points as if they really believe in them

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:19:33 PM   
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Trump instructed advisers last week that he wants the corporate tax rate to be lowered from 35 percent to 15 percent, a senior White House official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. This is the same rate that Trump pursued during his 2016 campaign, but officials had not signaled since the election whether he would stick to the pledge.

By doing so — but not committing to measures that would offset the revenue loss — Trump is making clear he is putting a priority on cutting taxes over the national debt. It also potentially creates a tension point with House Republicans, who have spent years advancing a vision for tax restructuring of their own.

The White House decision comes at a crucial time. White House officials plan to unveil the broad principles of their tax plan Wednesday, though details of what would be in the release remained fluid Monday, another White House official said.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-seeks-15-percent-corporate-tax-rate-even-if-it-swells-the-national-debt/2017/04/24/0c78a35c-2923-11e7-be51-b3fc6ff7faee_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumptax-130pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c44c67ef8e2e


So... did anyone seriously not see that coming???? and y'all can expect that debt balloon to get a hellava lot bigger than y'all thought it would and a hellava lot faster too.. just sayin'...

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:21:03 PM   
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Debt hasn't mattered for the last eight years. Why a sudden interest in the debt now?


Boscoe...read a bit of history.

(Seriously dude...they have things called "books"...try one).


You are totally lost and clueless here. The point went zoom, WAY over your head

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:21:25 PM   
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Debt hasn't mattered for the last eight years. Why a sudden interest in the debt now?

Debt hasn't mattered in 36 years, except when Clinton raised taxes on the top earners and we had a real boom economy. Then the oh so fiscally responsible [sic] right passed huge tax cuts and started two wars and went through $11 trillion...$5 trillion of projected surpluses and borrowing $6 trillion.

The second biggest reason that 95% of all new wealth since has gone to the richest 5%.

Calif. did the same thing Clinton did and just recently and now Calif. unemployment is under 5% and their huge deficit is a surplus.

The right of today being dominated by rent-seekers, never leave behind their idealogical fallacies to further...enrich the rich.

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:21:50 PM   
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There's a difference between data/history and propaganda/la-la-land.

And that difference is that the first happened, the second didn't.

That's the annoying thing about actual facts.

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:22:52 PM   
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Reagan quadrupled the national debt in just 8 years.

And turned the world's largest creditor nation into the world's largest debtor nation in the same period.



You have that propaganda talking point memorized to a knee-jerk reaction yet you remained silent as Obama increased the debt far more than Reagan or anyone else

The best any of you can do when that is pointed out is to reduce yourselves to childish trolls and derail the thread

There is no true North in leftist la-la land. Nothing truly matters to them, in their cartoon fantasyland worlds - except regurgitating the same typical hollow, meaningless, empty partisan rhetoric talking points as if they really believe in them


Are you on CRACK Boscoe?

Dude...I'm probably the MOST Republican bastard in this forum....I've NEVER stood down from that but...I'm also a realist.

Obama was handed a shit storm. We can debate that for the next thousand years whether or not he did a decent job with same (I have my opinion)...but...the guy was handed no less than....a SHIT storm of the HIGHEST degree!

(You are on drugs....my error....you have comprehension issues....I shouldn't have responded....continue on...please...).

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:23:33 PM   
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Sorry MM
The fact that they have, tax reform, and healthcare, and stop the shutdown before saturday and trumps 100days.

I dont see one of the tree being done.
Maclvaby giving dems an ultimatum of one dollar for the wall per 1 dollar for healthcare, he is saying he hopes the dems wont "obstruct"
He needs his wall badly but Trump seems to think that threats will work.
I havent got the time today, to look for the info I read over the weekend, but I will be back later.



Lucy...where (and when) did the whole "100 days" thing emanate from?

FDR started it, and claimed a bunch of successes that were in the works already and just happened to happen in that early time frame. Presidents since have picked up on the benchmark.

Why it matters now is that Trump himself talked it up so big, and now can't deliver.

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:24:07 PM   
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Debt hasn't mattered for the last eight years. Why a sudden interest in the debt now?


Boscoe...read a bit of history.

(Seriously dude...they have things called "books"...try one).


You are totally lost and clueless here. The point went zoom, WAY over your head


(I should have stayed in school....Boscoe...you ARE the man...please...elucidate for us all).

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RE: Trump willing to balloon debt to reduce corporate t... - 4/24/2017 3:27:21 PM   
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Debt hasn't mattered for the last eight years. Why a sudden interest in the debt now?

Debt hasn't mattered in 36 years, except when Clinton raised taxes on the top earners and we had a real boom economy. Then the oh so fiscally responsible [sic] right passed huge tax cuts and started two wars and went through $11 trillion...$5 trillion of projected surpluses and borrowing $6 trillion.

The second biggest reason that 95% of all new wealth since has gone to the richest 5%.

Calif. did the same thing Clinton did and just recently and now Calif. unemployment is under 5% and their huge deficit is a surplus.

The right of today being dominated by rent-seekers, never leave behind their ideological fallacies to further...enrich the rich.


You're missing a few pertinent pieces of the economic totality but....frankly...it's a bit tough to argue with your premise.

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