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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Nobody has said gun owners dont stop crime.
thats a fallacy.
Anybody who says that doesnt follow crime stats.
And are idiots

Citation please.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Islamic State magazine steers followers to U.S. gun shows for ‘easy’ access to weapons

It's just as well, then, that the occasional private citizen can use his gun to stop a crime.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LMAO at Lott.joke right?????

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Islamic State magazine steers followers to U.S. gun shows for ‘easy’ access to weapons

It's just as well, then, that the occasional private citizen can use his gun to stop a crime.

I haven't been to a gun show, but I'm very doubtful that they just hand over firearms without running background checks and verifying identification.

Back Alley sales maybe. There are criminals who will break the law to make money, but legitimate gun shows have the ATF up their backsides.

I will contact friends who do go, and recently to verify my assumption.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nonsense.

There's a HUGE difference between questioning whether gun ownership reduces crime and anecdotes of gun owners doing so.

You're a sharp guy, and I know you know the difference.

Ok, here's a rather exhaustive study on the subject; "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott, after you've read that come back and tell us about the "HUGE difference between questioning whether gun ownership reduces crime and anecdotes of gun owners doing so".
;-)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Yes, my friend who frequents gun shows said background check only. Buy and walk out.

That shouldn't happen. I'm surprised it does.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nonsense.

There's a HUGE difference between questioning whether gun ownership reduces crime and anecdotes of gun owners doing so.

You're a sharp guy, and I know you know the difference.

Ok, here's a rather exhaustive study on the subject; "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott, after you've read that come back and tell us about the "HUGE difference between questioning whether gun ownership reduces crime and anecdotes of gun owners doing so".
;-)

I'm not saying there isn't data. I'm saying an anecdote doesn't do that.

You are also smart enough, when you're not being snarky instead. Fuck off.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Nobody has said gun owners dont stop crime.
thats a fallacy.
Anybody who says that doesnt follow crime stats.
And are idiots

Citation please.

"More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott
;-)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Well, if you were "honest" about the whole thing, in the case of the "anecdote" cited, it did exactly that, it reduced crime.

And I wasn't being "snarky", I was just pointing out that not only can "anecdotes" show that gun ownership can reduce crime but there statistical studies that show that it does as well.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Islamic State magazine steers followers to U.S. gun shows for ‘easy’ access to weapons

It's just as well, then, that the occasional private citizen can use his gun to stop a crime.

I haven't been to a gun show, but I'm very doubtful that they just hand over firearms without running background checks and verifying identification.

Back Alley sales maybe. There are criminals who will break the law to make money, but legitimate gun shows have the ATF up their backsides.

I will contact friends who do go, and recently to verify my assumption.

Although it is pretty easy to buy a gun at a gun show, you can't buy one without a backgound check.
;-)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Yes, my friend who frequents gun shows said background check only. Buy and walk out.

That shouldn't happen. I'm surprised it does.

What did you have in mind, a 30 day waiting list?
;-)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Well, if you were "honest" about the whole thing, in the case of the "anecdote" cited, it did exactly that, it reduced crime.

And I wasn't being "snarky", I was just pointing out that not only can "anecdotes" show that gun ownership can reduce crime but there statistical studies that show that it does as well.

Then explain to the rest of us how the gun crazy USA is the country with the highest number of deaths per capita?

Gun ownership in such high numbers creates death and misery - not reduce it.

Bama argues that gun deaths are reducing by what he calls 'a significant amount'.
By my calculation, it would take more than a century to bring it down to the levels of other civilised countries.
That ain't good enough.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Well, if you were "honest" about the whole thing, in the case of the "anecdote" cited, it did exactly that, it reduced crime.

And I wasn't being "snarky", I was just pointing out that not only can "anecdotes" show that gun ownership can reduce crime but there statistical studies that show that it does as well.

Then explain to the rest of us how the gun crazy USA is the country with the highest number of deaths per capita?

Gun ownership in such high numbers creates death and misery - not reduce it.

Bama argues that gun deaths are reducing by what he calls 'a significant amount'.
By my calculation, it would take more than a century to bring it down to the levels of other civilised countries.
That ain't good enough.

Oh Annie
Oakley, it's been explained to you dozens of times. One more time isn't going to change how you think.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Well, if you were "honest" about the whole thing, in the case of the "anecdote" cited, it did exactly that, it reduced crime.

And I wasn't being "snarky", I was just pointing out that not only can "anecdotes" show that gun ownership can reduce crime but there statistical studies that show that it does as well.

Then explain to the rest of us how the gun crazy USA is the country with the highest number of deaths per capita?

Gun ownership in such high numbers creates death and misery - not reduce it.

Bama argues that gun deaths are reducing by what he calls 'a significant amount'.
By my calculation, it would take more than a century to bring it down to the levels of other civilised countries.
That ain't good enough.

Oh Annie
Oakley, it's been explained to you dozens of times. One more time isn't going to change how you think.

Dozens of times?? Hardly.
All I've been qouted are stats that support my premise and nothing to the contrary.
Obviously not in any way that can be understood.
Especially when I've shown endless stats that a gun society is dangerous to life.
Your stats are deplorable for what is supposed to be a civilised society.

Gun checks?? Try here - one of many examples of how people buy guns without any checks.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Every time a thread on guns happens Annie.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Every time a thread on guns happens Annie.

Yeah. And every time I show stats that gun-toters who say it's a good thing are in denial.
There's always Bama and the likes of you trying to defend the attrocious deaths by guns.

You can't fix stupid.