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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 4:18:57 AM   
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Not sure, could be a violation of the Logan Act

Um, no.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 4:20:41 AM   
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*shrug*

He's a private citizen now. He can do as he pleases.

yep
Just as he is entitled to donate 2 million dollars for chicago summer jobs program.
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/331788-obamas-donating-2m-to-chicago-summer-jobs-programs

Tax write off on that $64 million he is being paid to write a book that will sell a few thousand copies. Probably a good friend runs the organization and Obama is paying off markers.

does that make you moist?

As Trump would say, "That just makes [him] smart."

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 6:04:50 AM   
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Not sure, could be a violation of the Logan Act


Yes, definitely.

It's also the same thing as hacking into a private email server and releasing information that damages someone's reputation with the same voters Trump has recently spoken to about the exact same issues, spreading fake news and helping to elect a fucking orangutan because you want to globally embarrass a political enemy.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 7:04:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		You thread was about Obama taking out an advert which you found wrong.
I pointed out that Trump has interfered/tried to directly influence just about all countries recent elections (including france) and has taken out an advert for his re election - which branded the USA media fake news by utilising the word "FAKES" over 5 different reporter heads and media outlets.

Your thoughts on that were absent - which I find very strange and your reply blithering idiocy, no relevance, and factually even that incompetence was un correct.

You are not altogether there are you.





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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 7:49:03 AM   
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Uh, you know if Putin would have come out of his closet and said out loud, "even I am not such communist, vote for Il Douchovitch", there would not have been the blink of an eye.

People express opinions, and it is fine to do so. Garbagemen work for the government, have an opinion and may express them, as do ex-presidents.

If Putin openly appeal to American people to vote for Trump, CNN/MSNBC/ like every Leftie Network would be going Insane Criticizing Putin for interfering!

Whereas Putin openly appealed to the French to vote for Le Pen and financed her campaign with a several million € loan ... and none of the neofascist ratpack ever winced.

Btw everyone in doubt about Marine being a neofascist - listen to her in the last candidates' debate.



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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:04:09 AM   
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nah, just my way of saying you are a wanker.
You cant discuss the topic, because you need to feel better about yourself.
fap fap fap

Now you're thinking of me wanking. Is that what used to real get you moist...when you still could.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:29:39 AM   
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He can donate 2Mil to help his own country. It's HIS OWN country. And Home State!


It's his money. He can donate as much as he wants to whatever country he wants.

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But as an Ex-President, to interfere in another country's election.
That's definitely not right!
But perhaps his interference will anger the French and cause Macron to lose.


He's not interfering. He's voicing his opinion. If any French person decides Former President Obama has the credibility to offer wise advice, he/she can take that advice. If the French think the Former President can simply blow it out his ass, well, they can ignore him. And, since it's out in the open and not hidden, it's not really interference.

It really is that simple.


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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:55:58 AM   
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It's his money. He can donate as much as he wants to whatever country he wants.

If he was donating money to Macron Political Party in France, I would find it very dodgy.

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He's not interfering. He's voicing his opinion.

It's not voicing an opinion. It's making a plead to French people to vote for Macron.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:58:43 AM   
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It's his money. He can donate as much as he wants to whatever country he wants.

If he was donating money to Macron Political Party in France, I would find it very dodgy.

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He's not interfering. He's voicing his opinion.

It's not voicing an opinion. It's making a plead to French people to vote for Macron.

Would you have an issue with him doing so if he was urging them to vote for LePen rather than Macron?

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 9:00:42 AM   
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Whereas Putin openly appealed to the French to vote for Le Pen and financed her campaign with a several million € loan ... and none of the neofascist ratpack ever winced.

Btw everyone in doubt about Marine being a neofascist - listen to her in the last candidates' debate.


When did Putin appeal to French people to vote for Le Pen? Got link?

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 9:02:10 AM   
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I pointed out that Trump has interfered/tried to directly influence just about all countries recent elections (including france)

Proof? What are all these countries election that he was influencing?

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 9:28:47 AM   
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Whereas Putin openly appealed to the French to vote for Le Pen and financed her campaign with a several million € loan ... and none of the neofascist ratpack ever winced.

Btw everyone in doubt about Marine being a neofascist - listen to her in the last candidates' debate.


When did Putin appeal to French people to vote for Le Pen? Got link?




How many do you need? - it was covered (almost) world-wide
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-05/why-putin-might-want-a-le-pen-victory/8498302

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/29/marine-le-pen-putin-trump-axis

https://www.ft.com/content/010eec62-30b5-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/25/vladimir-putin-marie-le-pen-french-presidential-election/99617564/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/24/europe/putin-le-pen-kremlin/

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/24/russias-putin-meets-french-presidential-contender-le-pen-in-kremlin.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-24/le-pen-urges-russia-france-to-join-effort-in-fighting-terrorism

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wladimir-putin-empfaengt-fn-chefin-marine-le-pen-in-moskau-a-1140353.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/vladimir-putin-wished-marine-le-pen-good-luck-surprise-kremlin/

http://www.france24.com/en/20170324-marine-le-pen-visits-russia-french-presidential-election-putin

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170324/le-pen-heads-to-moscow-to-talk-french-russian-cooperation


Time you actually learn to get informations about the topics you post - before posting.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 11:05:50 AM   
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He's not interfering. He's voicing his opinion.
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It's not voicing an opinion. It's making a plead to French people to vote for Macron.

That is what you call voicing an opinion, Greta. He is letting people know what he thinks about a their situation, and what he thinks what would be the best solution.

He isn't trying to trick anyone, use any deceptive tactics, misrepresent himself or anyone else. He is speaking as one man, whom some people are interested in listening to.

Those that are not interested, have the freedom to ignore him. To freely oppose him.

Nothing about that is interference.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 11:40:13 AM   
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Greta75 I truly get tired of digging out clips of mad lying fuk on the tele and record go look for yourself.

And your Putin reference French election: Hollande vows 'response' to Macron hack attack

Or heavyblinkers thread http://www.collarchat.com/m_5029373/tm.htm which most people seemed to have ignored - bubbleverse thingy

But I want you to address what I initially said:
Obama - and did he take out the advert I haven't looked
Trump

or are you telling me it okay for Trump to interfere everywhere (guffaws Whoremods will get that one) and not for Obama to voice his opinion?

And did Obama place the advert or not - I doubt it i dont seethe point of him doing it, other than to counter Trumps rhetoric, and even then I dont thing an advert was taken out.


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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:22:57 PM   
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Whereas Putin openly appealed to the French to vote for Le Pen and financed her campaign with a several million € loan ... and none of the neofascist ratpack ever winced.

Btw everyone in doubt about Marine being a neofascist - listen to her in the last candidates' debate.


When did Putin appeal to French people to vote for Le Pen? Got link?




How many do you need? - it was covered (almost) world-wide
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-05/why-putin-might-want-a-le-pen-victory/8498302

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/29/marine-le-pen-putin-trump-axis

https://www.ft.com/content/010eec62-30b5-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/25/vladimir-putin-marie-le-pen-french-presidential-election/99617564/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/24/europe/putin-le-pen-kremlin/

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/24/russias-putin-meets-french-presidential-contender-le-pen-in-kremlin.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-24/le-pen-urges-russia-france-to-join-effort-in-fighting-terrorism

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wladimir-putin-empfaengt-fn-chefin-marine-le-pen-in-moskau-a-1140353.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/vladimir-putin-wished-marine-le-pen-good-luck-surprise-kremlin/

http://www.france24.com/en/20170324-marine-le-pen-visits-russia-french-presidential-election-putin

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170324/le-pen-heads-to-moscow-to-talk-french-russian-cooperation


Time you actually learn to get informations about the topics you post - before posting.

I see zero evidence that Putin Appeal to France people to vote for LePen.

All Putin said was, he likes LePen.

Infact, Putin said he has no intention to interfere with France Elections according to your link.

So no proof there.

During Friday’s meeting with National Front leader Le Pen, Putin insisted that Russia has no intention of meddling in the French election and only wants to have a dialogue with a variety of politicians.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:26:47 PM   
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or are you telling me it okay for Trump to interfere everywhere (guffaws Whoremods will get that one) and not for Obama to voice his opinion?

Zero evidence that Trump interfered in any other country's election. Unless you are telling me during Brexit, Trump made conference addressing British people to appeal for all of them to vote for Brexit? I would love to see you produce that evidence? Are you saying Trump is responsible for Brexit?

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And did Obama place the advert or not - I doubt it i dont seethe point of him doing it, other than to counter Trumps rhetoric, and even then I dont thing an advert was taken out.

I showed a YouTube Link in my OP that Obama was advertising Macron big time. To me, that is his advertisement. He got News Media to advertise his message to the French People to urge them to vote for Macron.



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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:29:56 PM   
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He is speaking as one man, whom some people are interested in listening to.

There is a whole world of difference when a political leader says of another country saying, "Donald Trump will be Disaster" Now that is an Opinion.

Than a political leader saying, "France, I urge you to choose Macron!"

It's no longer an opinion. It's telling France what to do!

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:34:02 PM   
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or are you telling me it okay for Trump to interfere everywhere (guffaws Whoremods will get that one) and not for Obama to voice his opinion?

Zero evidence that Trump interfered in any other country's election. Unless you are telling me during Brexit, Trump made conference addressing British people to appeal for all of them to vote for Brexit? I would love to see you produce that evidence? Are you saying Trump is responsible for Brexit?

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And did Obama place the advert or not - I doubt it i dont seethe point of him doing it, other than to counter Trumps rhetoric, and even then I dont thing an advert was taken out.

I showed a YouTube Link in my OP that Obama was advertising Macron big time. To me, that is his advertisement. He got News Media to advertise his message to the French People to urge them to vote for Macron.



no but he did try to get english and scottish MPs to donate to his election.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 8:46:04 PM   
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no but he did try to get english and scottish MPs to donate to his election.

Yes Trump did try to get Foreign people to fund his own election. That is true!
Which i am sure he got none and just got laugh at.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 9:07:36 PM   
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no but he did try to get english and scottish MPs to donate to his election.

Yes Trump did try to get Foreign people to fund his own election. That is true!
Which i am sure he got none and just got laugh at.

If it hadnt got an outpouring of complaints from MPS he would have been in violation of FEC LAWS

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US law prohibits a political campaign from "knowingly" soliciting or accepting donations from foreign nationals. On Wednesday two US public interest groups announced they were filing a formal complaint with the Federal Elections Commission - which oversees US election law.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36599724

here is the law.http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml

OH and you can find a complaint with the FEC about it, at

http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/sites/default/files/FEC%20Complaint%20Against%20Trump.pdf

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