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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 9:28:59 PM   
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If it hadnt got an outpouring of complaints from MPS he would have been in violation of FEC LAWS

In Trump's Business mind. His goal was to use as little of his own money as possible to fund this Election. So he thought he could get some Foreign Suckers to fund it. Not considering that for any Foreigner to fund your campaign would be conflict of interests.

In my country, it's definitely illegal to get ANY foreign funding if you are running for political office.

But from what I read, I heard Hillary had some foreign funding for her campaign too, so I am not too sure what is the real foreign funding policy for the US.

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US law prohibits a political campaign from "knowingly" soliciting or accepting donations from foreign nationals. On Wednesday two US public interest groups announced they were filing a formal complaint with the Federal Elections Commission - which oversees US election law.


Ahhh, the law says "knowingly". Interesting. Not a blanket, NO foreign Funding allowed. That's making it dodgy.

Either way, this has no relevance to Obama using his power of influence as the Ex President of United States to Sway the France Voters.


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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/6/2017 9:50:14 PM   
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Surely, someone has figured out by now that he is a private citizen with all the rights of freedom of speech and association. He can say pretty much what ever it pleases him to say.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/7/2017 1:20:51 AM   
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Whereas Putin openly appealed to the French to vote for Le Pen and financed her campaign with a several million € loan ... and none of the neofascist ratpack ever winced.

Btw everyone in doubt about Marine being a neofascist - listen to her in the last candidates' debate.


When did Putin appeal to French people to vote for Le Pen? Got link?




How many do you need? - it was covered (almost) world-wide
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-05/why-putin-might-want-a-le-pen-victory/8498302

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/29/marine-le-pen-putin-trump-axis

https://www.ft.com/content/010eec62-30b5-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/25/vladimir-putin-marie-le-pen-french-presidential-election/99617564/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/24/europe/putin-le-pen-kremlin/

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/24/russias-putin-meets-french-presidential-contender-le-pen-in-kremlin.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-24/le-pen-urges-russia-france-to-join-effort-in-fighting-terrorism

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wladimir-putin-empfaengt-fn-chefin-marine-le-pen-in-moskau-a-1140353.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/vladimir-putin-wished-marine-le-pen-good-luck-surprise-kremlin/

http://www.france24.com/en/20170324-marine-le-pen-visits-russia-french-presidential-election-putin

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170324/le-pen-heads-to-moscow-to-talk-french-russian-cooperation


Time you actually learn to get informations about the topics you post - before posting.

I see zero evidence that Putin Appeal to France people to vote for LePen.

All Putin said was, he likes LePen.

Infact, Putin said he has no intention to interfere with France Elections according to your link.

So no proof there.

During Friday’s meeting with National Front leader Le Pen, Putin insisted that Russia has no intention of meddling in the French election and only wants to have a dialogue with a variety of politicians.


You are naive beyond comprehension. Every TV spot and every billboard ad for the FN should have the remark: 'This was brought to you and paid for by Vladimir Vladimirovich."

His actions are loud enough. And open to the public.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/8/2017 2:55:18 AM   
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Would you have an issue with him doing so if he was urging them to vote for LePen rather than Macron?
Interesting question.

Oddly enough the same people who are now criticising Obama for voicing support for Macron were very silent when Dear Leader Thump voiced his approval of le Pen. You can read all about Dear Leader Thump's interference here:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/21/trump-supports-marine-le-pen-237464

As Dear Leader Thump is the sitting President, and Obama is a private citizen, one would have thought that the ramifications of Dear Leader Thump's blatant interference in the domestic politics of another country are far more grave. But these things don't appear to matter to Obama haters, do they?

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/8/2017 3:19:39 AM   
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Would you have an issue with him doing so if he was urging them to vote for LePen rather than Macron?
Interesting question.

But not one that got an answer, you'll note.

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Oddly enough the same people who are now criticising Obama for voicing support for Macron were very silent when Dear Leader Thump voiced his approval of le Pen. You can read all about Dear Leader Thump's interference here:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/21/trump-supports-marine-le-pen-237464

As Dear Leader Thump is the sitting President, and Obama is a private citizen, one would have thought that the ramifications of Dear Leader Thump's blatant interference in the domestic politics of another country are far more grave. But these things don't appear to matter to Obama haters, do they?

It'd be hypocrisy or a double standard if it was liberals* or lefties* thinking like that, but obviously the trumptooners aren't capable of any such thing.

*(anybody who didn't vote for el presidente)

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 8:50:19 AM   
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Would you have an issue with him doing so if he was urging them to vote for LePen rather than Macron?


I 100% would call Obama out for telling France to Vote for Le Pen too! As that is not appropriate at all!


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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 8:52:59 AM   
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Dear Leader Thump's interference here:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/21/trump-supports-marine-le-pen-237464

As Dear Leader Thump is the sitting President, and Obama is a private citizen, one would have thought that the ramifications of Dear Leader Thump's blatant interference in the domestic politics of another country are far more grave. But these things don't appear to matter to Obama haters, do they?

It'd be hypocrisy or a double standard if it was liberals* or lefties* thinking like that, but obviously the trumptooners aren't capable of any such thing.

*(anybody who didn't vote for el presidente)

Yet again, according to your link, just like those Putin Links.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Trump said although he was not offering an endorsement

Trump said HIMSELF he was not offering an endorsement of Le Pen.

And I love how you read it, as he is telling France to vote for Le Pen. All he said was, he likes Le Pen.

On the other hand, Obama DID Plead with France to vote for Macron.

HUGE differences.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 8:58:55 AM   
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Dear Leader Thump's interference here:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/21/trump-supports-marine-le-pen-237464

As Dear Leader Thump is the sitting President, and Obama is a private citizen, one would have thought that the ramifications of Dear Leader Thump's blatant interference in the domestic politics of another country are far more grave. But these things don't appear to matter to Obama haters, do they?

It'd be hypocrisy or a double standard if it was liberals* or lefties* thinking like that, but obviously the trumptooners aren't capable of any such thing.

*(anybody who didn't vote for el presidente)

Yet again, according to your link, just like those Putin Links.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Trump said although he was not offering an endorsement

Trump said HIMSELF he was not offering an endorsement of Le Pen.

And I love how you read it, as he is telling France to vote for Le Pen. All he said was, he likes Le Pen.

On the other hand, Obama DID Plead with France to vote for Macron.

HUGE differences.


And another huge difference is one is a sitting president and the other is a former president with no power. Obama is a civilian now, and his influence is as strong as any other celebrity at this point.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 9:15:34 AM   
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Surely, someone has figured out by now that he is a private citizen with all the rights of freedom of speech and association. He can say pretty much what ever it pleases him to say.


Surely, someone has figured out by now that just because someone has a "right" to do or say something, doesn't mean that it is appropriate

By your logic anything President Trump does is acceptable, so long as it is within his rights to do so

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 10:00:01 AM   
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Obama is a civilian now, and his influence is as strong as any other celebrity at this point.

If Henry Kissinger offer support for any foreign politician and endorse their candidates.

I'd still find fault with it. Ex-Political Leaders should not get involve in other country's politics.

An opinion is "I like Macron!" If Obama got interviewed and asked about what he thinks about France Election and he says that he likes Macron and prefer his policies. That is an opinion and that is fine.

An attempt to influence is, "Please Vote for Macron, France." And seriously do a whole endorsement Press conference on it!

This is different from Leonardo Di Caprio doing this. As nobody respect what Leo has to say about politics. But Obama has weight.

Obama Status is beyond a celebrity, as he has run one of the powerful country in this world before! His Endorsement has power.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 11:41:27 AM   
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Trump said HIMSELF he was not offering an endorsement of Le Pen.

He also said he'd shed his business interests, make Mexico pay for the wall and lock up Clinton.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 2:05:47 PM   
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If it hadnt got an outpouring of complaints from MPS he would have been in violation of FEC LAWS

In Trump's Business mind. His goal was to use as little of his own money as possible to fund this Election. So he thought he could get some Foreign Suckers to fund it. Not considering that for any Foreigner to fund your campaign would be conflict of interests.

In my country, it's definitely illegal to get ANY foreign funding if you are running for political office.

But from what I read, I heard Hillary had some foreign funding for her campaign too, so I am not too sure what is the real foreign funding policy for the US.

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US law prohibits a political campaign from "knowingly" soliciting or accepting donations from foreign nationals. On Wednesday two US public interest groups announced they were filing a formal complaint with the Federal Elections Commission - which oversees US election law.


Ahhh, the law says "knowingly". Interesting. Not a blanket, NO foreign Funding allowed. That's making it dodgy.

Either way, this has no relevance to Obama using his power of influence as the Ex President of United States to Sway the France Voters.



Bill Clinton got away with blatantly violating this.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 2:08:15 PM   
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Would you have an issue with him doing so if he was urging them to vote for LePen rather than Macron?
Interesting question.

Oddly enough the same people who are now criticising Obama for voicing support for Macron were very silent when Dear Leader Thump voiced his approval of le Pen. You can read all about Dear Leader Thump's interference here:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/21/trump-supports-marine-le-pen-237464

As Dear Leader Thump is the sitting President, and Obama is a private citizen, one would have thought that the ramifications of Dear Leader Thump's blatant interference in the domestic politics of another country are far more grave. But these things don't appear to matter to Obama haters, do they?

And it did not matter to Obama lovers when he sent his capaign team to "help" in the Iraeli elections.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 2:10:04 PM   
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Would you have an issue with him doing so if he was urging them to vote for LePen rather than Macron?


I 100% would call Obama out for telling France to Vote for Le Pen too! As that is not appropriate at all!



Then you should call him out for supporting Macron.


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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 2:23:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Outrageous – it’s not as if the lying orange fuk been on the record & telly trying to interfere, with his lying fukery, with BREXIT-leave Europe, and he has said absolutely nothing about the French election I am absolutely positive of that. Whatever next – next you will accuse him of greeting away like the wee bitch that it is to the Russians about trying to find Hillary 20 000 emails and that would be a preposterous. And and(your right there is fuking more too much to type) next you will be telling he tried to take out an advert with CNN where he accused there reporters and other mainstream media of being fake news –I am only hypothesing this as the adv campaign only had the words fake blootered over those reporters and he surely meant something else for that would be an insane thing for any sitting premier to do let alone say it to their faces and on camera 100s of times. Next you will be telling me the mad orange fuk is a pathological liar and has lied on camera 1000s of times to his own people and the world

all that happened

Anyhoos the election is over deal with it - not that most of you can find France on a map - like president shambolic

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 2:29:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the whole thread is a storm in a teacup. If Merkel were to have said... "Americans should vote for Clinton"... how many minds do you think she would change.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 10:32:08 PM   
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Trump said HIMSELF he was not offering an endorsement of Le Pen.

He also said he'd shed his business interests, make Mexico pay for the wall and lock up Clinton.

He has shed his business interests.

It is YET to see how he will make Mexico pay, you just wait and see what trade tariffs he is gonna implement on Mexico.

As for locking up Clinton, yes he OPENLY went against his words to lock her up, but that is one good promise not to keep.

In the case of Le Pen. He has NOT anything to Endorse her or support her campaign. He did stay out of it. All he did was simply said, he favoured Le Pen. That's really different. That's truly just an opinion.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 10:33:21 PM   
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I think the whole thread is a storm in a teacup. If Merkel were to have said... "Americans should vote for Clinton"... how many minds do you think she would change.

Butch

And Merkel knows not to do that! Because it's inappropriate.

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 10:34:36 PM   
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Would you have an issue with him doing so if he was urging them to vote for LePen rather than Macron?


I 100% would call Obama out for telling France to Vote for Le Pen too! As that is not appropriate at all!



Then you should call him out for supporting Macron.


What do you think this whole thread is about? I am calling Obama out!

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RE: Is it appropriate for Obama to Openly do an Ad to P... - 5/9/2017 11:06:07 PM   
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