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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:03:10 PM   
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But if US Cafeteria just serve standard food for everyone. They SHOULD price it into their school fees. That will solve this problem.


Public schools don't have fees that meal costs can be priced into.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:05:59 PM   
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But on topic, I remember reading that in some places, kids bringing their own lunch to school was against the rules. Who the fuck are they to make a rule like that ?

WHAT?? That's also ridiculous!!!!

What if the kid got special diet? Vegan kids at my school always bring their own food.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:09:47 PM   
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Public schools don't have fees that meal costs can be priced into.

Oh so Public schools are free in the US? Then school food need to be part of that "Free" then.

Yea if they can fund food for Prison, they can fund food for schools.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:13:08 PM   
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As a teacher who has helped to make sure kids don't go without, along with many others at my school, and as a parent who has had the occasional day where my kid has come home with the lunch money stamp, I agree that what makes the news should be taken with more than a few grains of salt.


How can this news be taken with a grain of salt, when your kid came back with a "I owe Lunch Money" stamp?

That's seriously public shaming of your kid and horrendous!

Parents may have genuine financial problems for some of these kids! And it's not the kid's fault.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:30:00 PM   
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Public schools don't have fees that meal costs can be priced into.

Oh so Public schools are free in the US? Then school food need to be part of that "Free" then.

Yea if they can fund food for Prison, they can fund food for schools.



I don't know how it works in other states, but here, every year I vote on my local school's budget. If the budget doesn't pass, then the school gets a budget that is equal to the previous year.

If the voters approve a budget that has the funds within it to cover meals for all students, that's great. Quick math tells me that school lunches alone (not breakfasts) would be an increase of just under a million dollars, at least. A million dollars does not go over well with voters. And if the voters don't approve the budget with that line item in it, then the district has to "find" a million within the money that they already have allocated elsewhere if they want to cover those lunches.

It's a good concept, definitely. Breakfast and lunch should be provided for all students, and those kids shouldn't have to worry about being singled out for their parents' inability to pay. But you may want to think about what you mean when you say "they" can fund food for schools. In New Hampshire, "they" is "me." In many towns here, we vote on everything right down to whether the fire station can buy a new truck or if the town hall can buy a new computer program. Convincing voters to spend that type of money for school lunches would be a hard sell, no matter how worthy.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:37:21 PM   
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It's a good concept, definitely. Breakfast and lunch should be provided for all students, and those kids shouldn't have to worry about being singled out for their parents' inability to pay. But you may want to think about what you mean when you say "they" can fund food for schools. In New Hampshire, "they" is "me." In many towns here, we vote on everything right down to whether the fire station can buy a new truck or if the town hall can buy a new computer program. Convincing voters to spend that type of money for school lunches would be a hard sell, no matter how worthy.

So I am guessing every state works differently too.

In my country, nothing is free, even public school, it's "heavily subsidized" but it's not free, there are still school fees, but as I said, in the same situation, the teachers will contact the parents for a meeting to resolve this problem. If they really cannot afford the lunch money, we have organizations supplying school kids with pocket money.

But what needs to happen, IF they can't get the funds to get school kids food, then maybe, the other solution is to encourage children to bring their own food. But seriously, I am thinking teacher-parents engagement in public schools over there must be kept to be minimum. Because there should be more engagement. For example, the teacher can talk to the parents about considering to pack a sandwich for the kid everyday IF they can't afford to give them the lunch money.

Alternatively, they can do it like Singapore, have a fund specifically to give kids from needy backgrounds, lunch money. Their parents can apply for it. So if you aren't giving every kid free food, then the cost is lower, much lower, as the percentage of kids with no lunch money gotta be about just 10% probably right?

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:43:45 PM   
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So I am guessing

That is your problem you ignorant phoque. You prefer guessing to facts.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


In my country,

No one gives a shit about that third world shithole called singapore.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:48:57 PM   
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So I am guessing

That is your problem you ignorant phoque. You prefer guessing to facts.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Don't be an idiot Thompson. I know you think I am American from Idaho. But reality is, I never went to school there, so why should I have any knowledge about how school works there? I didn't even know Public school is free, that seem like socialism, not very capitalist. So America actually provides Free Education. Surprisingly!


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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:50:54 PM   
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Alternatively, they can do it like Singapore, have a fund specifically to give kids from needy backgrounds, lunch money. Their parents can apply for it. So if you aren't giving every kid free food, then the cost is lower, much lower, as the percentage of kids with no lunch money gotta be about just 10% probably right?


This exists already on a national level.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:56:45 PM   
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So America actually provides Free Education. Surprisingly!



*smile* Yep. (Depending on your definition of "free," but...yep.)

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 8:58:19 PM   
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The Trump administration has loosened nutritional standards aimed at making US school lunches healthier that were championed by former first lady Michelle Obama.


I was about 10 yr old when they banned all school Cafeteria stalls from serving any Fried Food in my country. And I was sooo upset!! As Fried Chicken was my favourite staple at school!

But back then, just $2 could buy me 3 meals in school. Didn't need much. It was just 30cents for a bowl of noodles for example.

I think in terms of nutritional standard, they should ban all processed food, and just serve fresh whole food, then everything will be fine. Obesity in the US is caused by processed food I think, just too much processed stuffs and chemicals. I don't think Asian food around here is that healthy, people here eat alot of pork lard but everything is fresh and nothing is processed. But still majority skinny. The obesity increased when MacDonalds came in that's for sure! But if they stuck to local food, everything is fine.

I had a French friend who spent 4 years in Texas, and put on 40lbs, eating all the Fast Food. Then spent 2 years in Singapore and all he did was ate local food, because our local food is like Fast Food, as in they are easily available 24/7. He didn't diet, still ate whatever he wanted. And he lost all the weight he gain in the US.

What I notice when I was in the US is, another problem is, Fast Food seem to be the cheapest. If you want really like whole cooked Salmon, I mean, if you are on a budget, you may not be able to afford it. And if you have no time to cook and can only eat out. Fast Food is the cheapest option.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/6/2017 9:02:39 PM   
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This exists already on a national level.

Then, technically, just more teacher and parents engagement needed and make sure the parents who needs it get this funding or gets informed that this is available, so that, their kid can have their school lunch paid.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 4:05:55 AM   
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I wish all students received free breakfast and lunch.

First of all, if you are just an Employee, and you are following instructions of whoever owns that school to deny Food to kids who have no money, then it's not your fault, you are just doing your job. But no matter what, this is directive from who-ever the leader of the school is! And those people need to be punished!

You know, I don't know how US Cafeteria Works. I only see it in movies, and it looks like kids don't have choices. It's not like Singapore School Cafeteria where you have every cuisine available for you, I mean Japanese, Korean, Chinese, American, Italian, Thai, etc etc. The choices are huge. And each stall runs individually. So kids can choose which cuisine they want to buy food from each time. And if a kid keeps borrowing money from a teacher to buy food, the teacher will ring up the parents and find out what is going on, why the kid always have no lunch money? And if the parents say they got financial difficulty. Then these kids will be hooked up with an organization who takes care of giving these poorer kids pocket money.

But if US Cafeteria just serve standard food for everyone. They SHOULD price it into their school fees. That will solve this problem.

Because end of the day, I don't understand why teachers don't get involve and notice the kids who owe lunch money and instead of penalizing them, why not just ring up the parents and ask for the money?

We are governed by federal laws that mandate how the Federal School Lunch Program is done. It has nothing to do with the leadership at the school.

If it bothers anyone so much, I recommend you make a tax deductible contribution to your local schools to pay off charges for students who have reached the charge limit, or have funds applied to an account that can be used when they are at the limit to avoid them receiving the alternate meal.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 4:11:25 AM   
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This exists already on a national level.

Then, technically, just more teacher and parents engagement needed and make sure the parents who needs it get this funding or gets informed that this is available, so that, their kid can have their school lunch paid.

Before a student is given an alternate meal, I contact the parents and ask if I can get them to spend 5 minutes on the phone with me so I can fill out an app for free and reduced lunch. They also receive an automated call every evening from the district letting them know how much their child owes and what the charge limit is. In addition, my cashiers give each student a charge slip every time they owe that shows the amount owed, along with the charge limits. We also keep an account ready so that we do not have to deny any student breakfast, because there is no alternate meal for breakfast.

We never take a plate away from a student. We put money from our own pockets when we can afford to, but Ima tell ya lunchladies don't make a lot, so those funds are limited.

What it is going to take is laws being changed so all students can get free breakfast and lunch, funded by our taxes, or parents giving a fuck and keeping track of their students accounts.



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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 4:22:02 AM   
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The National School Lunch program is a matching funds program of the federal government that partially funds an initiative to provide a nutritional lunch to all grammar school and middle school students. The students themselves are expected to do a sliding scale payment to partially defray the costs of the meals. When my kids were in the program back in the 1980s; the sliding scale went from free to 75 cents per meal based on the parents income. If you didn't apply for subsidy; you paid the 75 cents per meal. The only options which could be specified for the meals were regular, vegetarian, and kosher. Parents were expected to pony up either weekly or monthly for the kid's meals and the kid got a meal card to show his part had been paid or, alternatively, to cough up lunch money at the time of getting in the cafeteria line. Back in the 60s when I was in primary school; the student's part for the cafeteria meals was twenty five cents per meal. The meals were meat, two veg, desert, and a half pint of milk or glass of flavored water (generic Kool-Aid).

Parents not paying the co-payment for lunches and the kids spending lunch money on candy then claiming their parents didn't give them the money is a recurring issue. Now, in private schools, most either have a lunch payment as part of the tuition fees or expect the kids to bring their own lunches. Private schools get no federal subsidy for school lunches. Charter schools vary in their lunch programs depending on the contract for their charter. (A Charter School is a privately run school that receives a block grant from a public school system to run the school.)

Note that the federal program is a matching funds program and the actual implementation varies between the states and varies between the school districts. An elected school board often controls the exact implementation for the schools in their district.

For my part; the local school boards are the ones who should be taken to task for the school lunch shaming. At the federal or state level it is all about how many students are there in the school and how much of the public treasury is allotted to the schools for the program.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 6:04:07 AM   
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It is a bureaucracy, but one I do not mind because I get to see how happy students are when they are getting 2 good meals per day during the school year, and many continue to receive that via summer feeding programs.

I love my job and would not want to do anything else.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 6:34:29 AM   
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Public schools don't have fees that meal costs can be priced into.

Oh so Public schools are free in the US? Then school food need to be part of that "Free" then.

Yea if they can fund food for Prison, they can fund food for schools.


In the US, while the individual does not directly pay for Public Schooling, the property taxes you pay yearly by-in-large funds the schools of the district that you're in. Even if you don't send your child to that school, such as if you opt to send your child to private school, you technically are funding the schools around you. Schools can themselves can get additional subsidies from the government, by enrolling students with conditions or from particular locations; such as City Kids enrolled into suburban schools.


And while most people like to try and make that apt comparison that "Prison Food is free" - you have to remember that prisoners do labor each day as part of their incarceration. They are not just lifting weights, hanging out of their cells, and lazying about in their bunks. So despite working full shifts or longer each day, the average inmate is only paid roughly ~.10 cents/Day in the US. So while they don't have to pay for the food they get, in the same breath, they don't really get paid for the work they do either.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 6:49:36 AM   
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The Trump administration has loosened nutritional standards aimed at making US school lunches healthier that were championed by former first lady Michelle Obama.


I was about 10 yr old when they banned all school Cafeteria stalls from serving any Fried Food in my country. And I was sooo upset!! As Fried Chicken was my favourite staple at school!

But back then, just $2 could buy me 3 meals in school. Didn't need much. It was just 30cents for a bowl of noodles for example.

I think in terms of nutritional standard, they should ban all processed food, and just serve fresh whole food, then everything will be fine. Obesity in the US is caused by processed food I think, just too much processed stuffs and chemicals. I don't think Asian food around here is that healthy, people here eat alot of pork lard but everything is fresh and nothing is processed. But still majority skinny. The obesity increased when MacDonalds came in that's for sure! But if they stuck to local food, everything is fine.

I had a French friend who spent 4 years in Texas, and put on 40lbs, eating all the Fast Food. Then spent 2 years in Singapore and all he did was ate local food, because our local food is like Fast Food, as in they are easily available 24/7. He didn't diet, still ate whatever he wanted. And he lost all the weight he gain in the US.

What I notice when I was in the US is, another problem is, Fast Food seem to be the cheapest. If you want really like whole cooked Salmon, I mean, if you are on a budget, you may not be able to afford it. And if you have no time to cook and can only eat out. Fast Food is the cheapest option.



That is a different conversation altogether - but truthfully - it is the Car that has made America obese.

In most other countries you walk to your perspective meal, regardless of what it is. Highly processed fast food or all natural local sourced cuisine. Here in the US - we have the Drive-Thru. Why even get out of your car, just drive up get your food and drive away. This lack of physical exertion to even get food is probably the biggest contributing factor to obesity.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 9:00:52 AM   
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This exists already on a national level.

Then, technically, just more teacher and parents engagement needed and make sure the parents who needs it get this funding or gets informed that this is available, so that, their kid can have their school lunch paid.


I'm so glad you are available to point out the deficits in a system that you personally haven't experienced, funded or even lived in the country for a few years with. And really, who knew that parents and teachers should be engaged in the kids education and welfare. Perhaps you could share how you would ensure this? And for that matter, exactly what do you perceive the role of teachers in what children eat is? I was under the impression that their job was to educate to a curriculum, not supervise food intake.
If you are so concerned about American children in public schools eating appropriately, perhaps you could move there, use all your fucking experience to reproduce, put said child into the system and overhaul everything, starting with school lunches and how they are funded. I'm sure it will be an easy fix, because EVERY parent wants what's best for their child - right? Child neglect or abuse never happens in your happy country and parents would never not pay for food for their precious little sprouts.

You are taking one internet article and making a federal case out of it. You are talking about an issue that you know very little about, and getting morally indignant about a country that's half a world away from you. Seems like a massive waste of time on your part, when really, i'm quite sure there is something going on in your neck of the woods that you could actually make a difference in. OK, bad grammar, but you get the point.

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RE: Lunch Shaming - 5/7/2017 10:19:15 AM   
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You are taking one internet article and making a federal case out of it. You are talking about an issue that you know very little about, and getting morally indignant about a country that's half a world away from you. Seems like a massive waste of time on your part, when really, i'm quite sure there is something going on in your neck of the woods that you could actually make a difference in. OK, bad grammar, but you get the point.



Just noting that you could take that last paragraph and legitimately apply it to quite a few of the threads on the P & R forum.

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