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BamaD -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/11/2017 10:06:29 PM)

FR
With a little effort I discovered that prior to this incident Mader was already in trouble.
A He proclaimed a murder to be an accident leading to evedence being mishandled and discredited.
B He engaged in an illeagal search which lead to dismilssile of charges aganist another person.
C He not only didn't try to make e the situation better but he cussed Williams out .
D He froze when Williams started waving his gun around , the question is why was he still on the force.
E his own account is contradictory .




Real0ne -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/11/2017 10:58:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Were the other officers wrong in shooting the victim? It doesn't sound like it. Even Mader thinks the other officers' actions were justified.




tough call, possibly justified, HOWEVER firing for the reasons given not justified, the other officers were not on the scene therefore their lives were not endangered, when they did arrive they immediately capped the kid, still no danger as a result of mader to the officers.

The kid chould win his suit if the information given was correct.




Kirata -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/11/2017 11:07:38 PM)

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vincentML -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/12/2017 4:51:14 AM)

FR

Thanks everyone.

That was a pretty satisfactory thread. Almost as good as those we had in the moderated days. People did their own research and came up with fresh points of view. There was some eloquent writing and a minimum of trash talk. I hope we can have more threads like that.

Is the thread finished? Only when you can't come up with fresh facts or opinions, or when you can't resist trash talking.

Thanks again.




BamaD -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/12/2017 6:35:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Were the other officers wrong in shooting the victim? It doesn't sound like it. Even Mader thinks the other officers' actions were justified.




tough call, possibly justified, HOWEVER firing for the reasons given not justified, the other officers were not on the scene therefore their lives were not endangered, when they did arrive they immediately capped the kid, still no danger as a result of mader to the officers.

The kid chould win his suit if the information given was correct.

You forget that when the others arrived Williams actions changed, he started waving his gun arround was greatly agitated and the arriving officers heard Mader repeatedly telling him to drop the gun.
The original story ignored these things as they wouldn't stir people up.




mnottertail -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/12/2017 7:41:36 AM)

Then the cops should be shot for escalating the situation, as is their training.




bondageerone -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/12/2017 7:54:00 AM)

dear Vince, ***always in the States, IF that had been here UK > as a last resort, I would have shot him in the leg, just to put him down.and have done that...
I feel sorry for the Officer. hope he gets a big payout. xx Terri.




BamaD -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/12/2017 8:20:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bondageerone

dear Vince, ***always in the States, IF that had been here UK > as a last resort, I would have shot him in the leg, just to put him down.and have done that...
I feel sorry for the Officer. hope he gets a big payout. xx Terri.

After he screwed up a murder investigation, and blew another case with an illegal search I don't want him to get a dime.




Nnanji -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/12/2017 9:05:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

If this person was shot in the back of the head, then it follows that the police officer who shot him was either behind or to the side of the victim. It is also the case that there were 3 police officers in attendance. So the victim presumably had cops in front of him and to his side. Fox also report the sacked police officer as stating that the victim "had the gun at his side and was not pointing it at the officer". There is no report of any attempt to talk the victim 'down' other than the attempt of the police officer who was subsequently sacked. Despite the police's numerical superiority and having the victim surrounded, or near surrounded, thereby having situational dominance, the police still opted to shoot.

These facts suggest that no serious attempt at de-escalating the situation was attempted, that a total of 3 police officers were unable to control the situation without recourse to violence even though there does not appear to be any immediate threat to life (the gun was by the victim's side, not pointing at any one). This suggests the police are hampered by serious lack of training in de-escalating dangerous situations. These reports also suggest that the 2 additional police's attending the situation opted to shoot as their first and only option.

Somehow it is not a surprise to hear that the victim was black, that he had mental health issues, that the gun was not loaded and that the victim might have been seeking suicide by cop. It appears that in this instance, the police were only too willing to oblige him.

These facts? These made up assertions that allow you to claim facts that aren't existent in the article. Typical for you to make up facts and then ramble on about what they mean...which has no more validity than your "facts".




Nnanji -> RE: White Cop Refused to Shoot Armed Black Man (5/12/2017 9:09:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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BTW the cops had no more way of knowing he was mentally ill thanthey didthat the gun wasn't loaded

Well of course they didn't. They shot the poor wretch before asking any questions. Had they bothered to try to talk to the guy first, it's possible that the presence of mental health issues would have become apparent pretty quickly. It often does ...

More tweak typical facts from a person not facing a gunman who is involved in a domestic dispute. The event is tragic enough without the tough chair warmer cop playing Monday morning quarter back.




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