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Greta75 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 12:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance Maybe Allison will take notice and choose another way to die. They're not going to take all those pills, it's just another attempt at emotional blackmail. I just roll my eyes at 'emotional blackmail', this is a forum filled with strangers to each other. Nobody has any emotional connection to OP. So OP can't emotional blackmail anybody with her suicide thoughts. She can only seek sympathy or solutions from strangers.

kiwisub22 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 6:26:29 AM)
Agreed that OP can't emotionally blackmail anyone because we don't actually know her, but anyone with an ounce of empathy/compassion would probably at least try to dissuade someone from killing themselves if they read a post online that suggested such an act. The problem comes in when said poster repeatedly posts the same thing and expects people to line up and offer sympathy/advice and take a general interest in her miserable life - every single time. Did myself - offered suggestions that would be exactly what would be suggested if she called a suicide hotline or an ED. A couple of times - and then realized that she really doesn't want help, she just wants an audience to parrot her perceptions of herself, her life and her opinions of the people in her life and the people she wants in her life. So yes, she can't emotionally blackmail us, but what she does IS emotional blackmail.

Baldrick -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 6:29:55 AM)
[/quote] Dialysis or transplant? Maybe Allison will take notice and choose another way to die. [/quote] I wound up with a transplant.. I guess I was lucky

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 6:51:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Baldrick I wound up with a transplant.. I guess I was lucky Well, Lady Luck being fickle and all, it must have been awful to be so ill and go through surgery without knowing for certain it would be successful or if your body would accept the new organ. Finding and receiving an organ and living to share about it is wonderful. Also, Metformin sucks

stef -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 9:41:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub22 Agreed that OP can't emotionally blackmail anyone because we don't actually know her I never said it was a successful gambit, hence the word "attempt" used in my post. quote: but anyone with an ounce of empathy/compassion would probably at least try to dissuade someone from killing themselves if they read a post online that suggested such an act. This is not our first rodeo with this individual. There's over a decade of history here with their antics. They've burned through any empathy/compassion people might have had for them.

kiwisub22 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 10:15:24 AM)
My post was in reply to Greta's post, and if you read everything I wrote, you will see that I agree with everything you say. [8\|]

Greta75 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 10:48:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub22 Agreed that OP can't emotionally blackmail anyone because we don't actually know her, but anyone with an ounce of empathy/compassion would probably at least try to dissuade someone from killing themselves if they read a post online that suggested such an act. It would be hypocritical of me to dissuade anybody from committing suicide, since I believe in making voluntary assisted suicide available to anybody who have decided they don't want to live anymore. And I am pro-abortion and pro-death penalty. End of the day, people die every day, let the ones who want to live, live. Let the ones who want to die, die. It's their life, their choice. Not their spouse, not their family, not their friends and certainly, not anybody's business whether they want to live or die. They are adults and can choose. And seriously, if reincarnation exists. That's personally to me the most possible outcome. It doesn't matter. Death is not the end. It's renewal. A second chance at life again. And personally, when the world is only filled with people who wants to live. It can only be a better world. Let the ones who wanna go, go.

kiwisub22 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 12:56:44 PM)
I have no problem with suicide - if life is so intolerable then that is an individual choice - However, if someone is indecisive enough to post online about their intentions, then it behooves us as human beings to at the very least to offer a branch of support and show where help can come from. I think most people who commit suicide don't consult others - they just do it. I have been in the situation of being the significant other of someone who made that decision , and he insisted I leave the room because he wanted me to have plausible deniability in the off chance that police were called. My Sir was in the end stages of metastatic bladder cancer, and had had enough. He took a combination of pills that pretty much ensured he would die. And I respected that decision. As you said - he was an adult and I gave him the dignity of making his own decisions. If he was tired of being bedridden and ( to an extent) incontinent, then so be it. There was no going on line and telling others how he was going to kill himself - over and over again.

LadyPact -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 1:14:31 PM)
<FR> This thread, and all of the others like it, are so full of (attempts at) emotional blackmail that it should have it's own zip code. For emotional manipulation to work, there has to be some kind of currency. Something that will actually make the other person(s) feel bad. This crap reeks of "I'll show you! You'll feel so guilty when I'm dead. If you wouldn't have done this, that, or the other, I'd have wanted to live, so this is all your fault!" On top of it, there's all of the reaching and conflicting statements. "Oh, I don't want anyone to stop me or call 911," yet "I live so far in the boonies that I can't get help." If a person actually wants help, rather than just make ploys in the attempt to get other people to feel sorry for them, they could accomplish it rather easily. ANYBODY who can find and take the time to post on CM can find the myriad of resources available via the net. Suicide prevention, trans* support groups, financial help, AA... The list goes on and on. Speaking of lists, there are TONS of ways for a person to 'do the deed' if they really want out. They won't all be 'big production' things like the OP imagines, where F-I-L comes running in to "save" her. Any person with half a brain can accomplish their own demise, without involving other people. OP, if you want to go... Then go.

Greta75 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 1:24:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kiwisub22 I have no problem with suicide - if life is so intolerable then that is an individual choice - However, if someone is indecisive enough to post online about their intentions, then it behooves us as human beings to at the very least to offer a branch of support and show where help can come from. From OP's scenarios, he has done everything from checking himself into a hospital, to going through several psychologists. So it is my judgement that, the most humane thing is for him to end his own suffering. I don't think there is a solution. Because end of the day! 1) Nobody here is gonna spend any time or energy to hold his hand and help him because we have no emotional attachment to him 2) Usually when someone is all else fail stage. They either need to find a way to help themselves, or it is just the end of the road for them. The amount of support a suicidal person needs is humongous. If this person's family can't handle it, psychologists have given up on him. And then you got folks here with zero emotional connection to this dude, accusing him of emotional blackmail. Probably the same shit his own family say to him. Imagine telling every suicide victim, them voicing their feelings of wanting to die is "emotional blackmail". How is it "emotional blackmail" when it's just how they feel? For me, I think I was more useful giving OP a painless solution to end his life. That option is always there when he decide to give up. And I will feel good that he died peacefully and painlessly.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 5:14:42 PM)
I keep checking to see if the OP returns. Anyone get the Cussette Georgia news

kiwisub22 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 7:01:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 How is it "emotional blackmail" when it's just how they feel? You must not have read any of her posts - when she says - repeatedly - that she is going to kill herself because people on the internet don't care about her - then it is considered emotional blackmail. The part where she kills herself if "we" don't respond in a manner that she approves of pretty much is the dictionary definition.

LadyPact -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 9:02:12 PM)
The difference between "just how someone feels" and attempting to INFLICT negative emotional responsibility to another (or a whole group of) others are entirely two different things. One is "I feel." The other is "you make me feel," or even a better attempt at weaponizing feelings is "I'll make YOU feel." The latter is what the OP is doing. Threats of suicide are, generally, the highest 'threat' a person has. When "I'm gonna kill myself if you don't respond the way I want you to" tactic fails, it's not like the emotional manipulator can up the anti.

Greta75 -> RE: Suicide (5/13/2017 11:09:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 You must not have read any of her posts - when she says - repeatedly - that she is going to kill herself because people on the internet don't care about her - then it is considered emotional blackmail. The part where she kills herself if "we" don't respond in a manner that she approves of pretty much is the dictionary definition. Well, usually people do kill themselves because they don't get the attention they need. I find it just factual as a suicidal reason and quite a common cause of suicide. (Outside of terminally ill people who just wants to end their physical pain) It's a little of a catch 22. Alot of self inflicted death happens on a "No one cares" reasons. I guess I don't really feel blackmailed because as I said, I have no emotional attachment to this person. I will not feel anything if he goes. But if it is a love one that I value and treasure to have in my life, I will do everything possible to stop it from happening, even if they say the suicide is because of me, then I need to fix it on what's going on, because I care about this person, I will do whatever it takes to fix it. But OP means nothing to me, needs his family to give a shit, and if his family won't help him. That's on his family to not give up on him. As no matter what, dealing with suicidal people is an emotional draining process, especially if it is someone you care about. I am speaking as a person who's own mother have blackmailed me for money, and when I refused to give her the money she wants, which is for gambling, she threatened to kill herself, and I told her to go ahead. That's what a real blackmail is. Until today, my mom always told everybody that, her daughter would rather see her dead than lend her a little money. This whole internet, "I'd kill myself if you don't respond to me." Is like..., yea, whatever. Also if the person is unstable and suicidal, I am picking a position. I know for a fact, I can't help this person. Because their family should be doing that. And it's not my responsibility. But I can advise a painless and quick death if OP feels necessary to go through with it. So I go along with a "Find a better way to die please" response.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/14/2017 10:26:48 AM)
2 days since the OP logged on. Yes, I've been checking. 72 hour hold? It's irrational to worry about a total stranger, I know.

DesFIP -> RE: Suicide (5/14/2017 8:09:06 PM)
Greta, nobody decides on suicide because total strangers don't care about them. Having a few attempts, and several more episodes of suicidal ideation in my past, I can assure you of that. You do it because you're in terrible pain, the fact that it's emotional pain and not physical is immaterial. All suicides show physical changes in the brain. It's a disease, not a goddamned choice.

DesFIP -> RE: Suicide (5/14/2017 8:15:06 PM)
Winsome, just checked the Cusseta police blotter. Nothing.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/14/2017 9:04:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Winsome, just checked the Cusseta police blotter. Nothing. Thanks. I hope she finds peace, one way or another.

Cell -> RE: Suicide (5/14/2017 9:04:29 PM)
Not irrational exactly, but just promise me you aren't as we speak preparing to ride over there and start knocking on doors...

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/14/2017 10:38:36 PM)
Lol. No, I wouldn't know where to start.

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