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DaddySatyr -> RE: Suicide (5/14/2017 11:06:20 PM)


In the words of the gone-far-too-soon Freddie Mercury:

"Don't try suicide. Nobody's worth it.
Don't try suicide. Nobody cares.
Don't try suicide. You're just gonna hate it.
Don't try suicide. Nobody gives a damn."



Michael



Greta75 -> RE: Suicide (5/15/2017 8:25:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Greta, nobody decides on suicide because total strangers don't care about them. Having a few attempts, and several more episodes of suicidal ideation in my past, I can assure you of that.

You do it because you're in terrible pain, the fact that it's emotional pain and not physical is immaterial.
All suicides show physical changes in the brain. It's a disease, not a goddamned choice.


I never said people decide on suicide because strangers don't care about them. But I actually know one real life case of a girl, who killed herself, was from my local online forum. Because one of the guys in the forum, accuse her of being an attention seeker, and all the same stuffs we see here, and she really went and did it! She was just a 18yr old teenage girl who nobody cared about.

It can be the deciding factor whether to go through with it or not. Because I believe that anybody who comes online to talk about suicide, has no one in their real life who cares about them. That's why they are doing it here. And that's just the problem.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/15/2017 5:17:26 PM)

I have been pondering this thread for the last few days and a few things came to mind.

The anonymous nature of the internet might make it easier to talk about ones suicidal thoughts. It was to strangers on the internet that under an anonymous screen name I first shared what was going on in my life. It was strangers who gave advise and reaffirmed in my mind that I wasn't to blame and it was ok to leave.

I don't want to be someone who automatically dismisses someone's cry for help as drama and attention seeking.



kiwisub22 -> RE: Suicide (5/15/2017 5:48:03 PM)

Agreed.

However if the cries for help go on and on, then the little boy who cries "wolf" comes to mind.

For what it's worth, my first couple of posts to the OP were serious, thought out and consisted of my past experience with health care and suicidal thoughts - having had both. It became apparent that the OP wasn't looking for help, helpful ideas or really anything other than pity or attention. Her posts, more or less the same, go back at least a year. After a while, it becomes ... tedious.



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/15/2017 7:11:21 PM)

Agreed, I read her journals and posts from both AS1 and AS2.

It is a shame. I'm not sure she's attention seeking so much as lashing out and using the comments of strangers to affirm her own self-loathing. She needs help, but at 50+, it's hard to reprogram a lifetime of wrong thinking.



needlesandpins -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 7:22:47 AM)

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 8:17:06 AM)

Needles, I think most people share your opinion so I doubt anyone thinks badly of you for calling it as you see it.

My post (63) wasn't really about the OP, although the thought of her succeeding and her father in law finding her dead body 2 weeks later has troubled me.

The topic of suicide and posting anonymously on the internet sparked some personal introspection, dredging up old memories.

I can't help but feel sorry for someone who is so trapped in their own mind, by wrong thinking (the only way I can think to describe it) that they sabotage their own happiness or needs.

This thread, and her journals and previous posts trouble me. If I had enough information, Cell isn't far from the truth. If I had enough information to track her down, I would have called the local police or emergency services and sent them to check on her.



AnguissetteD -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 8:18:56 AM)

I have lost people to suicide and I have to confess that in one case, none of us had any idea how much pain he was in. He had a mask as it were that hid everything inside. I wish he had reached out as maybe then friends could have tried to help.

I have also been in a situation with a girl who used to threaten suicide a lot. Once she did it and told she was going to a better place, couldn't live anymore... Goodbye... Thanks for nothing etc. I called the police and gave them her address. The police went over and got no answer and eventually broke the door down at which point her and her partner returned home on the way back from going to the local shop... Totally fine.
After that she then went mad at me for her broken door.



tamaka -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 9:41:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles


You obviously haven't had any training at all.



needlesandpins -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 10:29:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles


You obviously haven't had any training at all.




Several years in social care actually. Now fuck off sock.

Needles



tamaka -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 11:11:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles


You obviously haven't had any training at all.




Several years in social care actually. Now fuck off sock.

Needles


That doesn't mean anything. Your words show you don't know anything, tampon.



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 11:24:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles


You obviously haven't had any training at all.



So your brief attempt not to be a miserable cunt is already over.



tamaka -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 11:32:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles


You obviously haven't had any training at all.



So your brief attempt not to be a miserable cunt is already over.



Honesty is not being a cunt
.



needlesandpins -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 11:37:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles


You obviously haven't had any training at all.




Several years in social care actually. Now fuck off sock.

Needles


That doesn't mean anything. Your words show you don't know anything, tampon.




You are the one that knows absolutely nothing, except how to constantly show yourself to be a hypocritical SOCK. As for the 'Tampon' thing ... sigh ... I know this is your attempt at being original, but like everything else you try in here, you suck worse than a cheap whore.

You're so predictably boring with it all, just like all the other socks.

Needles



stef -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 11:43:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

So your brief attempt not to be a miserable cunt is already over.

How long do you think tasocka can sleep?



tamaka -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 12:12:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

I've seen too much suicide, I'm trained to see the signs of those suffering real depression, and I have lots more training besides. People want to talk genuinely about their issues, groovy, crack on, I'm all ears, and I'll even offer all the tea and sympathy you like. However, my training allows me to spot a passive aggressive drama queen from a mile away too. You also want to be that person, groovy Tuesdays, but don't try dragging me into that crap. Don't try using me as your beating stick to make yourself feel worse, to lay the blame on, because I've had that manipulative shit in my life before.

It's hell to live with when it's someone you care deeply about, I will not tolerate it from a stranger, and more specifically a stranger that also assumes that their life is somehow far more tragic than my own, thus gives them free reign to be a dick towards me for not entertaining their pity party. If someone really feels so desperate about their life and wants to reach out then I welcome that with open arms. The passive aggressive bullshit that this OP piled on in here is totally out of order, and even if she were a friend, it still would garner no sympathy with me. I've been far too close to the edge myself than to tolerate such behaviour, for I would never inflict it on anyone myself. If people want to think poorly of me for my thought on it all, so be it, I don't care.

Needles


You obviously haven't had any training at all.




Several years in social care actually. Now fuck off sock.

Needles


That doesn't mean anything. Your words show you don't know anything, tampon.




You are the one that knows absolutely nothing, except how to constantly show yourself to be a hypocritical SOCK. As for the 'Tampon' thing ... sigh ... I know this is your attempt at being original, but like everything else you try in here, you suck worse than a cheap whore.

You're so predictably boring with it all, just like all the other socks.

Needles


You call me a sock. I call you a tampon. See how that works?



needlesandpins -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 12:22:25 PM)

Difference is, we all know you are a sock, and it's an actual internet thing, you're just looking like an idiot by calling me a tampon. Again, it's not even original, sockish, but not original.

Needles



kiwisub22 -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 1:46:34 PM)

OK - completely off topic - but I had a vivid image of Prince Charles after he'd been recorded talking to Camilla and stating he wanted to be her tampon....[:D]



tamaka -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 2:12:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

Difference is, we all know you are a sock, and it's an actual internet thing, you're just looking like an idiot by calling me a tampon. Again, it's not even original, sockish, but not original.

Needles


You all know i am a sock? Really? Shows that what you "know" is wrong. Now continue that thought with everything else you think you know.



needlesandpins -> RE: Suicide (5/16/2017 2:40:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

Difference is, we all know you are a sock, and it's an actual internet thing, you're just looking like an idiot by calling me a tampon. Again, it's not even original, sockish, but not original.

Needles


You all know i am a sock? Really? Shows that what you "know" is wrong. Now continue that thought with everything else you think you know.



We've all been here long enough to spot stinking socks like you from a mile off. Why do you think so many of us refer to you as 'Sock', or tasocka? If it types like a sock, throws abuse like a sock, flounces like a sock, threatens to block people like a sock, is a raging hypocrite like a sock, sticks its nose in where it's not wanted, won't shut up when asked, trolls threads, then it's a sock. You do all of those things. You can't help yourself.

You also show your shear lack of intelligence constantly. Now, you can try slating my knowledge all you like, but all you are doing is showing your own shear ignorance, and again, your shear lack of originality in your line of attack with me. You are so predictable it's boring. It's as repetitive as Respectmen's drivel.

Yawn, bore off.

Needles



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