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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 2:55:09 PM   
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If a person were to WATCH me take BCPs, and I somehow substituted them for thin mints or something... Cool. That means I was underhanded in some way.

PS. Financial slave, my ass.





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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 3:13:36 PM   
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Let's use the same argument as the gynocentric idiots in this thread.




I think every other poster on this thread knows exactly who the "gynocentric idiot" is in this discussion.


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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 3:52:16 PM   
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Let's use the same argument as the gynocentric idiots in this thread.

I will lie to a woman and say I got an vasectomy because I secretly want a kid but this said woman doesn't. So if it goes ahead and she gets pregnant, can we all blame her and tell her she should have been on birth control? I should get away scot free from legal consequences?

But this is all okay because the people in this thread are saying it should be all okay and it's all the man's fault if it happens the other way around.

No double standards!


problem is...you have no need to lie. If you want a baby, then find a woman who also does...there's plenty of them out there and you're good to go.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 4:04:45 PM   
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Let's use the same argument as the gynocentric idiots in this thread.

I will lie to a woman and say I got an vasectomy because I secretly want a kid but this said woman doesn't. So if it goes ahead and she gets pregnant, can we all blame her and tell her she should have been on birth control? I should get away scot free from legal consequences?

But this is all okay because the people in this thread are saying it should be all okay and it's all the man's fault if it happens the other way around.

No double standards!



Did the woman in question go with you to the doc's office? Did she SEE something for herself that gave her REASONABLE belief???

Are you quite sure that you and Kanye West aren't singing "I'm not sayin she's a golddigger..."


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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 5:27:24 PM   
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Let's use the same argument as the gynocentric idiots in this thread.

I will lie to a woman and say I got an vasectomy because I secretly want a kid but this said woman doesn't. So if it goes ahead and she gets pregnant, can we all blame her and tell her she should have been on birth control? I should get away scot free from legal consequences?

But this is all okay because the people in this thread are saying it should be all okay and it's all the man's fault if it happens the other way around.

No double standards!


What double standard??? Any smart woman would know that a vasectomy isnt 100% either (& know what she is told could be a lie) so be on birth control anyway..

but if you wanted the kid then without "legal consequences" you wouldnt ever even know the kid was yours or ever see the kid, etc.. if all a guy wants is to be a sperm donor without legal consequences then go to a fertility clinic & be one, ffs...



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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 5:32:02 PM   
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I think it would depend on what kind of birth control. Semi-permanent birth control (IUDs, Naxplanon, Depo) are pretty much "there" all the time so little worry. Granted, the Nexplanon is the only one you can visibly show, but you get the idea.

Apparently Lucy here got pregnant despite having an IUD.

I think alot of birth control don't guarantee you 100% fail safe, for a good reason. They aren't!

no Greta, I didnt get pregnant despite an IUD, But I did get pregnant after having a tubal ligation/tubes tied.
I got pregnant on birth control pill too.
Six times.

Heres the recent story of a woman who got pregnant despite an IUD

http://globalnews.ca/news/3426080/baby-iud-hand-birth/
“My OB and the majority of the nurses I saw during the remainder of my pregnancy assumed [my IUD] had just fallen out,” Lucy Hellein tells Global News. “Shortly after he was born I heard my OB say, ‘I found your Mirena. It was behind the placenta.'”
The 34-year-old resident of Fort Mitchell, Ala., gave birth to her little boy on Apr. 27, via scheduled C-section.


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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 5:39:59 PM   
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Let's use the same argument as the gynocentric idiots in this thread.

I will lie to a woman and say I got an vasectomy because I secretly want a kid but this said woman doesn't. So if it goes ahead and she gets pregnant, can we all blame her and tell her she should have been on birth control? I should get away scot free from legal consequences?

But this is all okay because the people in this thread are saying it should be all okay and it's all the man's fault if it happens the other way around.

No double standards!


What double standard??? Any smart woman would know that a vasectomy isnt 100% either (& know what she is told could be a lie) so be on birth control anyway..

but if you wanted the kid then without "legal consequences" you wouldnt ever even know the kid was yours or ever see the kid, etc.. if all a guy wants is to be a sperm donor without legal consequences then go to a fertility clinic & be one, ffs...



ANny man who stealths, doesnt give a shit about anything but his pleasure at the time not STDs, not pregnancy, nor any regard for the females health, let alone his own.

Yes there are plenty of women who get pregnant on purpose, nobody is denying that.
Removing consent by stealthing is what pig ignorant pigs do.


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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 8:51:09 PM   
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Let's use the same argument as the gynocentric idiots in this thread.

I will lie to a woman and say I got an vasectomy because I secretly want a kid but this said woman doesn't. So if it goes ahead and she gets pregnant, can we all blame her and tell her she should have been on birth control? I should get away scot free from legal consequences?

Are you kidding? You want to compare THIS with your irresponsibility of refusing to use a condom?

When a woman "stealths" you, she gets punished.

When a man "stealths" her, she gets punished.

The reality is, there has been no consequences on the man. He doesn't get pregnant. He doesn't have to be there for the kid. The law may go after him to at least offer money to support his kid, BUT many men have found ways to avoid doing this as well. Men never have consequences.


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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 8:57:14 PM   
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I'm sure you people would be all up in arms if there were no legal consequences for men who stealth women. Yet you people are trying to blame it on a man who is a victim of being stealthed by a woman. That's disgusting.

How is a man a victim when stealth by a woman? Does he get pregnant? No. Nothing physical happens to him. No consequences for him.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 9:21:49 PM   
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Responsibilities lie equally on both parties. Lying, stealthing is shitty and unethical, but if the sex was consensual? I'm not sure how the legal system can press charges against someone under those circumstances.


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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/13/2017 10:21:08 PM   
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I wouldn't say there are no consequences for the men. There are child support garnishes, the very real possibility of his wanting to be part of the child's life, but treated as a sperm donor and denied the opportunity to bond with and be a part of the child's life. Financially, unless he has the means to fight for his rights in court, he is out of luck and even if he does, courts still tend to favor women over men in custody battles. Not as much as they once did, but it is still a good chance the courts will decide in favor of the woman.

To me, a man has more control than a woman on everything!

1) If he wants a child, don't stealth, find a woman who wants it with him

2) If he doesn't want a child, use a condom, don't rely on the woman's birth control

All those circumstances are 100% avoidable!

I am a woman who probably has casual sex at least once a week with a new stranger and this been going on since I was a teenager as I just love sex for sex. I've met many men who tried to stealth by last minute quietly slipping it off while in between penetration. And who find stupid excuses not to use condoms last minute, like "The condoms won't fit!". I take responsibility for my own body. I got a zero pregnancy record by choice, by making sure I am never penetrated without a condom. But IF a man actually poke holes in the condoms, I may have taken ALL precaution and failed because I will miss to inspect the condoms for holes. That seriously should be punished.

Whereas if a man refuses to do his part to wear a condom and got a baby in the process. It is HIS fault. What the hell is female stealthing? She claiming she is taking birth control is not counted. You can't physically see if she is or not. It's not like condoms. So it is within the man's control to control his side of things.

However, if a woman rip off the condom and forcefully penetrate the male without the condom. Then I'd say, it's no longer stealthing. It's rape. She just raped the male and should be punished for rape.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 4:55:48 AM   
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1) A man can CHOOSE to always wear a condom with added spermicide to protect himself from Female Stealthing and not trust the female to do it via birth control, which usually is not effective and cause many accidents.

Birth control is not usually effective? Most known birth control is over 90% if not 99% effective and most would call that usually effective.
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2) Stealthing a woman is about contacting an incurable diseases called AIDS. Pregnancy is the least of her problems. The man would have taken away her life, literally gave her a death causing disease. And if a woman gets AIDS from stealthing. I am suggesting death penalty for the man too.

And if it is the women that has AIDS and not the man? That’s Okay? The death penalty for her?
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If a man chooses not to wear a condom and have sex without it, he is responsible for himself getting aids and getting a woman pregnant.

But if a woman chooses to have sex without a condom she is not responsible for getting AIDS or pregnant?
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So to me, any stupid man who refuses to wear condoms during sex, is an idiot and deserves the pregnancy. Totally self-inflicted pregnancy.

And there have been cases where the woman has later taken the discarded condom and used the sperm there in to impregnate herself thus making the man her financial slave. And what about the women who make a man a financial slave for children that they did not even father?

It seems obvious that you did not watch the video or did so with one eye closed or your mind closed.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 5:01:04 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcng4ccVlVI&list=WL&index=3

"Stealth" is another whopper feminist double standard. In short, stealth refers to tricking someone into parenthood. If a man secretly pokes holes in his condom, he can be in big trouble. When a woman lies about taking birth control and gets pregnant and forces a man to be her financial slave, she will still get off scot free.

Any man foolishly naive enough to believe a woman who says she is rigorously using birth control is deserving of what happens.

Setting trust and relationship issues aside...people are great about talking about responsibility and yet, many men do not want to take on the simple, relatively little effort and time it takes to put on a spermicidal condom. Preferably a brand new one purchased recently that hasn't been out of his possession. Do that and you're being responsible...not just for her health but your own, as well as your future.


This piece isn't about respsonsibility, this is about why does the justice system punish men but not women for this.

Western women, the most privileged demographic on the planet, seem to get yet another pussy pass for their disgusting behaviour/actions.


Like it or not, it takes two to make a baby. She canNOT get pregnant without his help. Tell me...why would you believe something someone told you when...if she's lying...your future is ruined? Like it or not, the male has responsibility for that, at the very least. And maybe the law does suck...but when there's an easy way to not worry about the law, then you'd have to be an idiot not to do it.

Did you even watch the video? There are men who are financial slaves to women who don't even have their child and should not be responsible for child support but are anyway.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 5:05:20 AM   
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So in other words you're saying its okay to only have legal consequences on men who do stealthing while women get a pussy pass? How very typical.

Instead of trying to skirt around the issue of the double standard, why not talk about it?

Which of the two people fucking is stuck with the results of the pregnancy in the event that the woman gets pregnant?

Obviously the woman is for 9 months but the man can get stuck with it for the rest of his life even it it is not his child.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 5:09:54 AM   
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And if it is the women that has AIDS and not the man? That’s Okay? The death penalty for her?

I know that deliberately trying to infect somebody with HIV is a separate legal offence in the 'States (not sure if it's a felony or a misdemeanour offhand), but a lot of places treat it as a form of bodily harm under existing legislation: GBH, manslaughter or whatever. It comes under the offences against the person act over here, which covers everything that isn't common assault or out and out homicide.
(No idea what it's legal status is in Singapore, though. perhaps Greta could tell us?)

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 5:45:53 AM   
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Obviously the woman is for 9 months but the man can get stuck with it for the rest of his life even it it is not his child.

how?
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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 5:56:11 AM   
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A man who refuses to use a condoms while having sex and gets a baby as a result, is not punishment. That is him being careless!

And if the woman wants sex without a condom, of course that is the man being careless as well.

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I'm sorry, it's his sperm. If his sperm doesn't get into her body. No pregnancy happens. The man has 101% full control over where he wants to deposit his sperm.

No he doesn’t, as I have pointed out a woman can use a discarded condom to get herself pregnant and then she doesn’t even have to do that, there are men who are paying child support for children that have been proven to not be their children.

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There can't possibly be punishment IF he is responsible for it!

If he is responsible for it but as I have pointed out, why is he still punished for it if it is not even his child?

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You know what a woman's punishment is for having a baby? She either has to go through 9 months of inconvenience and birthing pain and a life time of responsibility, or the pain and trauma of abortion.
When a woman gets unwantedly pregnant, she already gets punished for it.

Sorry YOU feel this way but there are some women who don’t. For them, they consider their children a blessing and their children are anything but a punishment.
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A man can just disappear. Or throw a few cent and stay far far away from her and the baby and let her deal with it alone. What punishment precisely does he suffer?

To me what you describe is not a man but a sociopath. What punishment does he suffer, other than substantial financial burdens that if he doesn’t pay can result in jail time? How about the fact that at least some men actually love their children and lengthy separation can mean extreme emotional pain?

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Let's punish the woman the day men can get impregnated in their own bodies.

Or perhaps the day the woman steps in front of her man and says it’s okay I’ll let them gang rape me so you don’t have to get killed protecting me.

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PS: And I am speaking as a woman who have forced every male to use condoms when having sex with me, INCLUDING my x-husband during my marriage. As I was trying to be responsible. BOTH parties if they don't want kids, MUST use birth control!

So zero sympathy for men refusing to use condoms! And them blaming it on the woman for her birth control failing on him!

Where do you find these “men”? I think you need to stop picking them up in bars.


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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 6:00:03 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcng4ccVlVI&list=WL&index=3

"Stealth" is another whopper feminist double standard. In short, stealth refers to tricking someone into parenthood. If a man secretly pokes holes in his condom, he can be in big trouble. When a woman lies about taking birth control and gets pregnant and forces a man to be her financial slave, she will still get off scot free.


men that dont want kids or to support kids have that entirely within their control.. they can get a vasectomy.. if men dont want to do that then any resulting babies are their own damn fault..

Once again, the fact that there are men supporting children that are not their own is proof that it is not entirely within their control.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 6:02:28 AM   
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Did you people even watch the video?
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It seems, obviously, that some did not.

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RE: Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “steal... - 5/14/2017 6:02:33 AM   
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Obviously the woman is for 9 months but the man can get stuck with it for the rest of his life even it it is not his child.

how?
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If married, in some states, your name goes on the birth certificate no matter who the father is.
Typically, this can be corrected with some paperwork and the notarized signature of the biological father (if he will sign).
DNA testing can be requested, but usually the guy has to pay the expenses and if he remains married to her it won't matter. Not all states, but some. In most, a DNA test absolves the man from legal responsibility. Most of the time the State goes after whomever is on the birth certificate because one or more of the parents were on Medicaid and will garnish the wages of the individual on the birth certificate to reimburse for the cost of delivery and care.


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