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Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than rep... - 5/16/2017 4:22:25 PM   
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From today's Erick Erickson show:

I tend to take these stories about the President with a grain of salt. We have seen key details of a number of salacious stories retracted within 48 hours. The media hates the President so much that they’ll run a negative story about him without very much provocation. Anti-Trump sources embedded within the administration in the career civil service, etc. will leak to the press and confirmation bias sets in.

What sets this story apart for me, at least, is that I know one of the sources. And the source is solidly supportive of President Trump, or at least has been and was during Campaign 2016. But the President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given. He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack.

So some of the sources are left with no other option but to go to the media, leak the story, and hope that the intense blowback gives the President a swift kick in the butt. Perhaps then he will recognize he screwed up. The President cares vastly more about what the press says than what his advisers say. That is a real problem and one his advisers are having to recognize and use, even if it causes messy stories to get outside the White House perimeter.

I am told that what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported. The President does not seem to realize or appreciate that his bragging can undermine relationships with our allies and with human intelligence sources. He also does not seem to appreciate that his loose lips can get valuable assets in the field killed.

You can call these sources disloyal, traitors, or whatever you want. But please ask yourself a question — if the President, through inexperience and ignorance, is jeopardizing our national security and will not take advice or corrective action, what other means are available to get the President to listen and recognize the error of his ways?

This is a real problem and I treat this story very seriously because I know just how credible, competent, and serious — as well as seriously pro-Trump, at least one of the sources is.

http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 4:29:45 PM   
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Let's not forget what Paul Ryan had to say in a tweet last summer about Hillary Clinton and classified information:

"Individuals who are "extremely careless" with classified information should be denied further access to such info."

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 4:30:51 PM   
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Let's not forget what Paul Ryan had to say in a tweet last summer about Hillary Clinton and classified information:

"Individuals who are "extremely careless" with classified information should be denied further access to such info."


You're awfully hysterical

Thee's already a thread on this topic, that you have participated in

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 4:32:57 PM   
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Nope. The Erick Erickson show's claim is a new wrinkle.

Don't worry. I'm sure you'll derail it and start 20 new threads to try to compensate your darling's submission to criticism.

Well-deserved criticism at that.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 4:36:09 PM   
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Nope. The Erick Erickson show's claim is a new wrinkle.

Don't worry. I'm sure you'll derail it and start 20 new threads to try to compensate your darling's submission to criticism.

Well-deserved criticism at that.


I see

You think some nobody's opinion is worthy of its own thread, despite there being an existing thread on the topic already because you are completely hysterical

Do carry on

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 4:39:17 PM   
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Thanks.

Some of the posters here are Conservative, and will appreciate the information.

I find it interesting. And important.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 7:27:03 PM   
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Well according to friends and associates of the people in the west wing, those staff are being advised to resign before their career becomes tarnished and at least partially but directly as a result of just what your new source is talking about.

One former Bush adviser, plus David From and John Dean have all said that unless you are high enough and your position in the admin, is high such that one cannot deny it...get out now. They also said that McCalister should have resigned as soon as Trump contradicted him saying he had the power to disclose intel. to the Russians he met.

There are even those who have known Trump for many years that suggest that he may be suffering from dementia as indicated by how much more thoughtful, articulate his speech, mannerisms and observations were on many topics back when [he] was in his 40's and 50's. (remember, the oldest ever elected pres.)

Now however, Trump is far too repetitive in words, loses his train of thought when speaking and prone to tantrums with staff.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 7:41:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nope. The Erick Erickson show's claim is a new wrinkle.

Don't worry. I'm sure you'll derail it and start 20 new threads to try to compensate your darling's submission to criticism.

Well-deserved criticism at that.


I see

You think some nobody's opinion is worthy of its own thread, despite there being an existing thread on the topic already because you are completely hysterical

Do carry on

Many here start threads based on cites from new sources and it is very telling that Erickson would issue such statements he being a conservative right wing blogger, author of RedState and a man who built his career on stoking populist rage...from the right.

Plus he's the man who some have said steers the Tea Party, and now says conservative anger has grown toxic and self-defeating. Maybe he's reading your posts, although I really don't think so.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 8:00:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

From today's Erick Erickson show:

I tend to take these stories about the President with a grain of salt. We have seen key details of a number of salacious stories retracted within 48 hours. The media hates the President so much that they’ll run a negative story about him without very much provocation. Anti-Trump sources embedded within the administration in the career civil service, etc. will leak to the press and confirmation bias sets in.

What sets this story apart for me, at least, is that I know one of the sources. And the source is solidly supportive of President Trump, or at least has been and was during Campaign 2016. But the President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given. He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack.

So some of the sources are left with no other option but to go to the media, leak the story, and hope that the intense blowback gives the President a swift kick in the butt. Perhaps then he will recognize he screwed up. The President cares vastly more about what the press says than what his advisers say. That is a real problem and one his advisers are having to recognize and use, even if it causes messy stories to get outside the White House perimeter.

I am told that what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported. The President does not seem to realize or appreciate that his bragging can undermine relationships with our allies and with human intelligence sources. He also does not seem to appreciate that his loose lips can get valuable assets in the field killed.

You can call these sources disloyal, traitors, or whatever you want. But please ask yourself a question — if the President, through inexperience and ignorance, is jeopardizing our national security and will not take advice or corrective action, what other means are available to get the President to listen and recognize the error of his ways?

This is a real problem and I treat this story very seriously because I know just how credible, competent, and serious — as well as seriously pro-Trump, at least one of the sources is.

http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/



Who violated the law and leaked the info to the press?

Trump the President of the US, who has authority to release just about any info he wishes, may have said something that might tick off a third party, but never mentioned the third party. So some lesser individual who did not have authority to pass on that information and may not have had a right to that information did give that information to the press who would spread it far and wide, and somehow that leaker is noble? I don’t get the thought process.


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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/16/2017 8:06:49 PM   
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Washington Post, and the New York Times, rush to put alleged things said in secret on their front pages because it's supposedly bad if it gets out, and these useful idiot types don't stop for a second to consider that

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 12:46:52 AM   
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Who violated the law and leaked the info to the press?

Trump the President of the US, who has authority to release just about any info he wishes, may have said something that might tick off a third party, but never mentioned the third party. So some lesser individual who did not have authority to pass on that information and may not have had a right to that information did give that information to the press who would spread it far and wide, and somehow that leaker is noble? I don’t get the thought process.


The article explains that the leaks are a desperate strategy by Trump's own people to attempt to prevent him from seriously fucking up.
You have of course completely ignored this and rushed to the defense of a man whose own people call him ignorant, simply because you hate the left.

People like you are the reason the US is now being led by a moron.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 2:02:09 AM   
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quote:

From today's Erick Erickson show:

I tend to take these stories about the


Are you so gullible to believe that ? Behind closed doors, talking about classified information, and they know ?

How the fuck do they know anything that went on in there ? In fact how could this even have become an issue ?

I call bullshit.

T^T

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 2:38:53 AM   
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It is revealing to note that none of the Trump friendly posters who responded to the OP addressed the substance of the OP.

Bosco attacked the poster who posted the OP then attempted to deflect claiming that there was already a thread on this issue and this new thread was unnecessary duplication. Aylee chose to attack the people who leaked the info in the OP while Termy couldn't be bothered taking any of it seriously and simply called it all "bullshit".

Their refusal to address the substance of the OP is glaring. This refusal is made all the more significant because the source of the OP is Trump friendly and possesses impeccable conservative credentials. This surely adds to the credibility of the OP. Criticism from the left can be expected but criticism from within the ranks of the right, from Trump sympathetic media is another, far more damaging matter.

The refusal of Trump friendly posters to address the main points of the OP simply underlines and emphasises the credibility of the OP's claims. Unless Trump friendly posters can get it together to address and refute those claims, then their credibility can only grow and grow.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 2:47:20 AM   
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It is revealing to note that none of the Trump friendly posters who responded to the OP addressed the substance of the OP.

Bosco attacked the poster who posted the OP then attempted to deflect claiming that there was already a thread on this issue and this new thread was unnecessary duplication. Aylee chose to attack the people who leaked the info in the OP while Termy couldn't be bothered taking any of it seriously and simply called it all "bullshit".

Their refusal to address the substance of the OP is glaring. This refusal is made all the more significant because the source of the OP is Trump friendly and possesses impeccable conservative credentials. This surely adds to the credibility of the OP. Criticism from the left can be expected but criticism from within the ranks of the right, from Trump sympathetic media is another, far more damaging matter.

The refusal of Trump friendly posters to address the main points of the OP simply underlines and emphasises the credibility of the OP's claims. Unless Trump friendly posters can get it together to address and refute those claims, then their credibility can only grow and grow.

We already have alternative facts and alternative truth: alternative credibility was only a matter of time...


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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 2:51:04 AM   
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quote:

From today's Erick Erickson show:

I tend to take these stories about the


Are you so gullible to believe that ? Behind closed doors, talking about classified information, and they know ?

How the fuck do they know anything that went on in there ? In fact how could this even have become an issue ?

I call bullshit.

T^T


'Classified information'

The story does not say what you think it does.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 2:59:26 AM   
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Criticism from the left can be expected but criticism from within the ranks of the right, from Trump sympathetic media is another, far more damaging matter.


It makes you realize that the White House is essentially just a workplace, the president is essentially just a boss, and the workers get pissed off when the boss is an asshole.

It's his own fault for being a poor leader.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 3:54:40 AM   
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Who violated the law and leaked the info to the press?

Trump the President of the US, who has authority to release just about any info he wishes, may have said something that might tick off a third party, but never mentioned the third party. So some lesser individual who did not have authority to pass on that information and may not have had a right to that information did give that information to the press who would spread it far and wide, and somehow that leaker is noble? I don’t get the thought process.



No, the president of the United States does not have the authority to release any information he pleases, there are regulations in place dictating who can relay classified information to whom.

Any classified information needing a code word authorization is eyes only and cannot be dissimulated by anyone regardless of what office they hold.

As for 'leakers' there is an interesting twist to this.

If the leak does not actually included classified information or falls under the 'whistle blower' laws and regulations, the most that can happen is they be fired.

For example, 'deep throat' who gave the information to the reporters about Watergate did nothing illegal by passing on the information.

Basically, the individual who passed on the fact that President Trump gave highly classified information to the Russians while not actually explaining in detail what the information was in its entirety did not commit a criminal act.

The simple truth is that half the bullshit that is pulled that is either unethical or illegal coming out of Washington comes from leakers who feel that something needs to be done, and therefore forces the issue by giving it to the press.

And it is perfectly legal although it may cost them their job.



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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 5:10:03 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

From today's Erick Erickson show:

I tend to take these stories about the President with a grain of salt. We have seen key details of a number of salacious stories retracted within 48 hours. The media hates the President so much that they’ll run a negative story about him without very much provocation. Anti-Trump sources embedded within the administration in the career civil service, etc. will leak to the press and confirmation bias sets in.

What sets this story apart for me, at least, is that I know one of the sources. And the source is solidly supportive of President Trump, or at least has been and was during Campaign 2016. But the President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given. He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack.

So some of the sources are left with no other option but to go to the media, leak the story, and hope that the intense blowback gives the President a swift kick in the butt. Perhaps then he will recognize he screwed up. The President cares vastly more about what the press says than what his advisers say. That is a real problem and one his advisers are having to recognize and use, even if it causes messy stories to get outside the White House perimeter.

I am told that what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported. The President does not seem to realize or appreciate that his bragging can undermine relationships with our allies and with human intelligence sources. He also does not seem to appreciate that his loose lips can get valuable assets in the field killed.

You can call these sources disloyal, traitors, or whatever you want. But please ask yourself a question — if the President, through inexperience and ignorance, is jeopardizing our national security and will not take advice or corrective action, what other means are available to get the President to listen and recognize the error of his ways?

This is a real problem and I treat this story very seriously because I know just how credible, competent, and serious — as well as seriously pro-Trump, at least one of the sources is.

http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/



Who violated the law and leaked the info to the press?

Trump the President of the US, who has authority to release just about any info he wishes, may have said something that might tick off a third party, but never mentioned the third party. So some lesser individual who did not have authority to pass on that information and may not have had a right to that information did give that information to the press who would spread it far and wide, and somehow that leaker is noble? I don’t get the thought process.


You don't get the thought process because you just made up a lot of nonsense and then realized it didn't make any sense.

Who's calling anyone "noble"? This is a shit show across the spectrum. No one has a spine anymore.

What law got violated?

And whether the president "can" doesn't address the glaring "should" in this instance.

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 7:30:46 AM   
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Wicked occasionally uses the word noble.

Whats the orange fuker got to do to get impeached off some live on the telly?

Did Donald Trump Just Imply Gun Owners Should Assassinate Hillary Clinton? And he was too stupid to say this on only one occasion I just cant be bother looking out the other clip.

Thing is he could have played the accidental card, or inadvertently card. But he chose to put one of his stooges out to deny it and then hurled him under a bus a wee bit later. Then had a bit of a think about it and played the "God Card". Noble honest honourable etc he is not

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RE: Conservative Show says the Trump Leak is worse than... - 5/17/2017 7:40:27 AM   
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If he has the authority to declassify at his whim he can declassify his tax returns from audit, he can declassify the documents that "Obama spied on Trump" he can declassify all the meetings with Russia, he can declassify all the taped conversations of his meetings with Comey and his meetings with the Russians.

If not, he needs impeachment and incarceration for treason.

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